Alf said:CTbruin said:
He must be good in the interview because his on the field resume is average at best.
He talks the talk a lot better than he walks it. Reminds of another coach we had here ~2000 who's name makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.
and to put Rhule in a dumpster is just as ridiculous.FLBear5630 said:Well, Dykes seems to be working well with the Methodists. Fleck is more secular than Rhule????Stefano DiMera said:
Remind me to never select you for any search committee if I'm hiring a coach . ..yikes. your list...you just throw institutional fit out the window I guess...
Take a look at who Baylor interviewed, several were from that list. You are changing the discussion. The discussion is not whether they would fit, it is that there were other capable candidates out there and Rhule was by no means a savior.
Rhule did a good job and was paid well for it. He came in and did his job and left as soon as he could (remember we extended him through 2027 so we would have stability?). Just like that list I put up would have done. BU was committed to winning at that point, investments made in facilities, Briles did the tough part. Sadly, he went too Barry Switzer. To put Rhule on some type of pedestal is ridiculous.
Bear8084 said:Alf said:CTbruin said:
He must be good in the interview because his on the field resume is average at best.
He talks the talk a lot better than he walks it. Reminds of another coach we had here ~2000 who's name makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.
CMR is not even close to the futility of Steele and his tenure here.
Alf said:Bear8084 said:Alf said:CTbruin said:
He must be good in the interview because his on the field resume is average at best.
He talks the talk a lot better than he walks it. Reminds of another coach we had here ~2000 who's name makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.
CMR is not even close to the futility of Steele and his tenure here.
Not arguing his recordhe got this program back out of the ditch. I meant his persona seems kind of half snake oil salesman half faith healer.
CTbruin said:
And I am part of the group of Baylor fans that think the Rule tenure was one of the worst ever. Why?
He used us. Period.
He thought he could come in here and have a horrible first year, then win and then get a much better gig. And it worked for him. He didn't want to be here. Never bought in to Baylor and what we try to represent.
And I am also part of the group that thinks he purposely lost in his first year to enhance his resume. The lost to Liberty was embarrassing and should have never happened.
And that is my opinion....and I am sticking to it.
Stefano DiMera said:
Lost on purpose in his first year both places to enhance his resume? Yet people on here are attacking his barely over 500 record?
Got it.
I don't hate him. I also think he is a good coach and did a good job.boognish_bear said:
I will never understand the Rhule hate by BU fans. He did have a little of a used car salesman vibe (the whole sleeping under his desk thing), but hell....he ain't alone in that among successful coaches.
He came to us when our program was at a serious inflection point. Since the inception of the B12 we had been the doormat of the league until Briles came along.
On the heels of the scandal I think the odds were much greater that we were headed back to the perennial cellar dweller than to be winning B12 championships again.
Rhule didn't just have to turn around a program, but had to restore a very very damaged brand. He did both in short order.
Even though he wasn't here in 2021 I'm pretty sure Aranda would agree CMR deserves some credit for the success of that team too.
I hated his constant flirting with the NFL and it never really felt like we would have him for long....but I will always respect and appreciate the bridge he provided to keeping us relevant....especially in a time with so much potential shifting in conference realignment.
The only thing I can think of as to why he gets hate is just because he broke up with us and wasn't a lifer.
I'm not so sure about this part. Look at how many HCs UT has been through trying to find a great coach since Mack left....and that is a big blue blood program.FLBear5630 said:If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else.boognish_bear said:
I will never understand the Rhule hate by BU fans. He did have a little of a used car salesman vibe (the whole sleeping under his desk thing), but hell....he ain't alone in that among successful coaches.
He came to us when our program was at a serious inflection point. Since the inception of the B12 we had been the doormat of the league until Briles came along.
On the heels of the scandal I think the odds were much greater that we were headed back to the perennial cellar dweller than to be winning B12 championships again.
Rhule didn't just have to turn around a program, but had to restore a very very damaged brand. He did both in short order.
Even though he wasn't here in 2021 I'm pretty sure Aranda would agree CMR deserves some credit for the success of that team too.
I hated his constant flirting with the NFL and it never really felt like we would have him for long....but I will always respect and appreciate the bridge he provided to keeping us relevant....especially in a time with so much potential shifting in conference realignment.
The only thing I can think of as to why he gets hate is just because he broke up with us and wasn't a lifer.
UT's "infrastructure" is more of an issue than Baylor's. BU may have some issues, but internal is not a big one compared to blue bloods. Let's face it, if BU competes for the title and goes to a mid-level bowl, we are good. There is no unrealistic expectations, BU pretty much knows a Sugar Bowl level is about as high as expected once in a while. A Playoff participation is a lightning strike. UT is its own worst enemy.boognish_bear said:I'm not so sure about this part. Look at how many HCs UT has been through trying to find a great coach since Mack left....and that is a big blue blood program.FLBear5630 said:If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else.boognish_bear said:
I will never understand the Rhule hate by BU fans. He did have a little of a used car salesman vibe (the whole sleeping under his desk thing), but hell....he ain't alone in that among successful coaches.
He came to us when our program was at a serious inflection point. Since the inception of the B12 we had been the doormat of the league until Briles came along.
On the heels of the scandal I think the odds were much greater that we were headed back to the perennial cellar dweller than to be winning B12 championships again.
Rhule didn't just have to turn around a program, but had to restore a very very damaged brand. He did both in short order.
Even though he wasn't here in 2021 I'm pretty sure Aranda would agree CMR deserves some credit for the success of that team too.
I hated his constant flirting with the NFL and it never really felt like we would have him for long....but I will always respect and appreciate the bridge he provided to keeping us relevant....especially in a time with so much potential shifting in conference realignment.
The only thing I can think of as to why he gets hate is just because he broke up with us and wasn't a lifer.
It's possible we might've found someone else to get the same results as CMR....but I don't think the odds of that were great.
FLBear5630 said:Ha! Yeah, it was Saban or Bust! We are Baylor, Saban has been waiting for this forever!Stefano DiMera said:
You're right...we could have gotten anyone after Grobe left .. Nick Saban and Kirby Smart were begging to take our job ..
How's Mike McIntyre and Billy Napier looking now?
I love it! Baylor said, if we can't have Saban or Smart, let's go with Rhule.
There were at least 50 coaches in P5, G5 and Div 1AA (whatever it is called now) that would have taken the job and done well. Rhule is a lifetime sub-500 coach and if your throw out the Pros he is at about 500.
As for others at the time:
Dykes was interested, he can't coach or recruit.
Fleck, he isn't worthy of Baylor.
Kifin
Miles
Lincoln Riley was still an OC
Dino Barbers was said to be in the running
I am not even going into the great coaches at lower programs that would have loved a shot at a P5.
Rhule was by no means the only person willing to come to poor Baylor and through the goodness of his heart live in Waco. You will never convince me that he did a special job and deserves being treated like a diety in Waco. He bolted first chance he got after a catching lighting in the bottle season. They didn't play a ranked team and lost to the ones they did. Sorry, don't see the special job that numerous coaches could have done. But, hey everyone is entitled to their opinion.
historian said:FLBear5630 said:Ha! Yeah, it was Saban or Bust! We are Baylor, Saban has been waiting for this forever!Stefano DiMera said:
You're right...we could have gotten anyone after Grobe left .. Nick Saban and Kirby Smart were begging to take our job ..
How's Mike McIntyre and Billy Napier looking now?
I love it! Baylor said, if we can't have Saban or Smart, let's go with Rhule.
There were at least 50 coaches in P5, G5 and Div 1AA (whatever it is called now) that would have taken the job and done well. Rhule is a lifetime sub-500 coach and if your throw out the Pros he is at about 500.
As for others at the time:
Dykes was interested, he can't coach or recruit.
Fleck, he isn't worthy of Baylor.
Kifin
Miles
Lincoln Riley was still an OC
Dino Barbers was said to be in the running
I am not even going into the great coaches at lower programs that would have loved a shot at a P5.
Rhule was by no means the only person willing to come to poor Baylor and through the goodness of his heart live in Waco. You will never convince me that he did a special job and deserves being treated like a diety in Waco. He bolted first chance he got after a catching lighting in the bottle season. They didn't play a ranked team and lost to the ones they did. Sorry, don't see the special job that numerous coaches could have done. But, hey everyone is entitled to their opinion.
No one deserves to be treated like a deity in Waco or anywhere else except God.
Single digit possession games record at Nebraska
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Bo Pelini 20-11
Bill Callahan 10-7
Mike Riley 7-10
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Jacques Strap said:
Say what you will about CMR but he recruited players that won a Big 12 championship.
I've never liked Nebraska but I do like CMR so I hope he does just enough to cash some nice checks and then they hire Jimbo when he leaves for Penn State.
Stefano DiMera said:
His only coaching jobs were arguably 2 of the worst situations you could ask for when he took them over.
I don't think I need to explain where Temple football was..a program that has been kicked out of Big East for being non competitive. In 2 years he had them winning 10 games and.in the AAC championship.
And you know how toxic our situation was. What the hell do you think his record should be? People have taken over better situations than him and have worse records.
parch said:you can't on one hand defend Briles collecting multiple guys who'd been kicked off their respective teams - one of which was for domestic assaultJP1037 said:
Why a fraud? He actively tried like crazy to get the rapist Deshaun Watson on his NFL team to save his career. Briles never let a kid who had an indictment play or practice with the team. Briles is cast aside as a monster and Baylor BOR cheerleaders eat up Rhule's God talk and praise him and don't care who Rhule really is. Such incredible hypocrisy.
cowboycwr said:Stefano DiMera said:
His only coaching jobs were arguably 2 of the worst situations you could ask for when he took them over.
I don't think I need to explain where Temple football was..a program that has been kicked out of Big East for being non competitive. In 2 years he had them winning 10 games and.in the AAC championship.
And you know how toxic our situation was. What the hell do you think his record should be? People have taken over better situations than him and have worse records.
Is that what qualifies a coach as great?
If there is any hate towards Rhule by Baylor fans - I wouldn't understand it.boognish_bear said:
The only thing I can think of as to why he gets hate is just because he broke up with us and wasn't a lifer.
Did his right hand man, Phil Snow, retire? He's not at Nebraska with Rhule.historian said:
It's kind of silly to focus on Matt Rhule's record at Nebraska when he's a brand new coach there and they only have one game. Every new coach has problems the first year. Even Nick Saban had a bad start at Bama.
cowboycwr said:Stefano DiMera said:
His only coaching jobs were arguably 2 of the worst situations you could ask for when he took them over.
I don't think I need to explain where Temple football was..a program that has been kicked out of Big East for being non competitive. In 2 years he had them winning 10 games and.in the AAC championship.
And you know how toxic our situation was. What the hell do you think his record should be? People have taken over better situations than him and have worse records.
Is that what qualifies a coach as great? How he did "under the circumstances" or "at the program he was at?"
Or is it their win/loss record?
Because last time I checked in any sport it is the win/loss record that gets someone called great and in the HoF for their sport.
Stefano DiMera said:cowboycwr said:Stefano DiMera said:
His only coaching jobs were arguably 2 of the worst situations you could ask for when he took them over.
I don't think I need to explain where Temple football was..a program that has been kicked out of Big East for being non competitive. In 2 years he had them winning 10 games and.in the AAC championship.
And you know how toxic our situation was. What the hell do you think his record should be? People have taken over better situations than him and have worse records.
Is that what qualifies a coach as great? How he did "under the circumstances" or "at the program he was at?"
Or is it their win/loss record?
Because last time I checked in any sport it is the win/loss record that gets someone called great and in the HoF for their sport.
Is Grant Teaff great? He has a .529 overall record.. a .548 at Baylor.
And he's in the College Hall of Fame.
Stefano DiMera said:
His only coaching jobs were arguably 2 of the worst situations you could ask for when he took them over.
I don't think I need to explain where Temple football was..a program that has been kicked out of Big East for being non competitive. In 2 years he had them winning 10 games and.in the AAC championship.
And you know how toxic our situation was. What the hell do you think his record should be? People have taken over better situations than him and have worse records.
