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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Show me what makes Finebaum a good prognosticator, and maybe I'll consider what he says. His record for accuracy that I recall isn't very good.

Anything can happen right now in the college football world. My prediction (about as valuable as Finebaum's) is the the B1G and SEC will get something together and go their own way - dumping the NCAA while they're at it.

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It is a report from a SEC mouthpiece. Or, because we don't like what he says is Finebaum now considered "clickbait"?

Finebaum, like him or not, is well connected in the SEC and puts out the message the SEC wants. This makes my wonder does the SEC want the ACC to win out as the third conference? You weren't surprised to see the ACC in there??

As I have said all along, the people on this board seem to think the B12 is in a stronger position than it appears when looking at what is happening in the rest of the Nation. I fear that when the music stops we will look more like an AAC Conference than a P5 Conference. For example, adding UCONN and Memphis. None of the corner schools making a move yet. Talking BB as if it is Football. Those are all actions that made the Big East become the AAC.

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Agree 100%. I believe ESPN is a co-owner of SEC Network so Finebaum has inside information on SEC and ESPN.

Right now the ACC is in a much stronger market then the soon to be Big 12 minus OUT and appears to have iron clad exit fees.. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Carolina are bigger draws nationally than our soon to be top four in 2024.

I fear the Big 12 will wind up offering SDSU since they have put themselves in a pickle telling their current conference they are leaving and the Pac 12 doesn't appear to dangle an offer. With out expansionist Commishner I have no doubt he might extend the lifeline to SDSU.

Oregon and Washington will be able to hold the Pac12 together and Colorado and Arizona will not leave without them in my opinion.

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I am with you.

When the 4 corner schools view the B12 as a last ditch option, that makes me worry. What do they know that the B12 doesn't.

Also, the ACC has more history and better connections than the B12, if only through Tobacco Road. They are not going to be an easy out, especially if the SEC is working with them. I would not doubt that the SEC is supporting the ACC.

In Florida, the ACC is viewed as a southern conference at least in my experience. I can see the SEC and ACC working together. But that is all speculation.

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Anyone who thinks Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, etc. will still be in the ACC when that league's grant of rights expires or is broken hasn't been paying attention. Those schools will bolt for the SEC or Big Ten at the earliest possible opportunity, and the remaining ACC brands will be no more valuable than the Big 12's when it happens.

The Big 12, PAC-12 and ACC are all "leftover" leagues. And the Big 12 is at an extreme advantage because it was forced to make that realization and respond accordingly earlier than the others.

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To date the schools that we are attached to for additions are Memphis, SDSU and UCONN.

The corner schools seem to be looking for anything else rather than join the B12, even taking less money.

Sorry, I see the G5. We are making the same moves as the Big East did before they were relegated. Even talking to the same schools.

IMO, we have a tendency on this Board to only see what we want and what certain talking heads push. Not seeing any of the steps needed to make the B12 #3 actually occurring, to the contrary the schools we are talking about our 2nd rate, the P5 schools are doing anything they can NOT to be in the B12, and we are talking BB as if it is fooball, if you are paying attention. Not to mention the media discussions. You really see the B12 being the #3?

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The ACC/Big 12/PAC 12 will all be essentially G5+ (as compared to the SEC/B1G) beginning in 2024, even if it's not really visible until a few seasons later after the new checks have cleared and the expanded CFP has set in. No one is really disputing that or the fact that the Big 12 commish is doing what he can given the hand that he has been dealt. That appears to mean, among other things, pursuing basketball programs for conference expansion, separating Big 12 basketball (elite) from Big 12 football (non-elite) and setting up the Big 12 in Mexico.

In terms of the Big 12 being #3, that's a complex assertion. On one hand, the Big 12 has the ability to shake up its conference immediately by taking whoever it wants from the G5 during a time of uncertainty across the landscape (legacy media vs. streaming; the Big 12 vs. PAC 12, the future of the B1G/SEC, the future of the NCAA, etc.), however, on the other hand, the ACC can sit on its hands until the 2030s and be able to strategically make changes once the landscape has stabilized even though it will likely be losing at least 4 of its members. Either way, it's impossible to know for sure what will happen in the future, however, in the near term, one could make the argument for Big 12 being #3 -right now- simply because (1) the Big 12 is forced to prepare for its future in the near term by finalizing its composition when other conferences (potentially) have more time to both lose and add teams, (2) Big 12 basketball is elite, (3) the Big 12 has a reasonable media deal compared to the PAC12 and ACC and (4) there is virtually no threat of a B1G/SEC taking Big 12 teams.

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Very reasonable response.

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Show me what makes Finebaum a good prognosticator, and maybe I'll consider what he says. His record for accuracy that I recall isn't very good.

Anything can happen right now in the college football world. My prediction (about as valuable as Finebaum's) is the the B1G and SEC will get something together and go their own way - dumping the NCAA while they're at it.

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It is a report from a SEC mouthpiece. Or, because we don't like what he says is Finebaum now considered "clickbait"?

Finebaum, like him or not, is well connected in the SEC and puts out the message the SEC wants. This makes my wonder does the SEC want the ACC to win out as the third conference? You weren't surprised to see the ACC in there??

As I have said all along, the people on this board seem to think the B12 is in a stronger position than it appears when looking at what is happening in the rest of the Nation. I fear that when the music stops we will look more like an AAC Conference than a P5 Conference. For example, adding UCONN and Memphis. None of the corner schools making a move yet. Talking BB as if it is Football. Those are all actions that made the Big East become the AAC.

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Agree 100%. I believe ESPN is a co-owner of SEC Network so Finebaum has inside information on SEC and ESPN.

Right now the ACC is in a much stronger market then the soon to be Big 12 minus OUT and appears to have iron clad exit fees.. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Carolina are bigger draws nationally than our soon to be top four in 2024.

I fear the Big 12 will wind up offering SDSU since they have put themselves in a pickle telling their current conference they are leaving and the Pac 12 doesn't appear to dangle an offer. With out expansionist Commishner I have no doubt he might extend the lifeline to SDSU.

Oregon and Washington will be able to hold the Pac12 together and Colorado and Arizona will not leave without them in my opinion.

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I am with you.

When the 4 corner schools view the B12 as a last ditch option, that makes me worry. What do they know that the B12 doesn't.

Also, the ACC has more history and better connections than the B12, if only through Tobacco Road. They are not going to be an easy out, especially if the SEC is working with them. I would not doubt that the SEC is supporting the ACC.

In Florida, the ACC is viewed as a southern conference at least in my experience. I can see the SEC and ACC working together. But that is all speculation.

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Anyone who thinks Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, etc. will still be in the ACC when that league's grant of rights expires or is broken hasn't been paying attention. Those schools will bolt for the SEC or Big Ten at the earliest possible opportunity, and the remaining ACC brands will be no more valuable than the Big 12's when it happens.

The Big 12, PAC-12 and ACC are all "leftover" leagues. And the Big 12 is at an extreme advantage because it was forced to make that realization and respond accordingly earlier than the others.

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To date the schools that we are attached to for additions are Memphis, SDSU and UCONN.

The corner schools seem to be looking for anything else rather than join the B12, even taking less money.

Sorry, I see the G5. We are making the same moves as the Big East did before they were relegated. Even talking to the same schools.

IMO, we have a tendency on this Board to only see what we want and what certain talking heads push. Not seeing any of the steps needed to make the B12 #3 actually occurring, to the contrary the schools we are talking about our 2nd rate, the P5 schools are doing anything they can NOT to be in the B12, and we are talking BB as if it is fooball, if you are paying attention. Not to mention the media discussions. You really see the B12 being the #3?

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Not buying Memphis. SDSU is likely in for the PAC. UCONN is intriguing, but likely not first on the list either.

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I am good with that.

I am just not seeing moves that reconcile with the message, while seeing other Conferences either still be around longer than expected or being mentioned by the big two as a third.

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Or perhaps you're just misinterpreting the message. The Big 12 just added four non-P5 schools -- three from major metro areas and a fourth with a large religious following -- and added value to its media rights deal. In the absence of name brands, Yormark's mission is about adding territory. The Big 12 is working to expand its footprint into new regions with lots of available eyeballs. When you take that into account, successful G5 programs in major metro areas make a lot more sense.

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Could be. Gonna be tough to break into a playoff diluting the quality of play more. When your premier school is OSU or BYU? Adding from G5s seems counter productive. A merger with PAC or ACC would seem more of a move. If SEC is working with ACC, that will be tough.

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You're relying more on your biases than data when drawing these conclusions. ESPN and FOX just told us with their wallets that adding the four non-P5 programs we did added value to the league. And the lack of a merger between the Big 12 and PAC-12 should tell us that such a move would be dilutive for the Big 12 schools. If there was money to be made there, that would have been the first move made.

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What you are missing is that it takes 2 to make a deal. The B12 can want it, but if the other parties are not interested it doesn't matter. What bothers me is why?

You are right, if the move can make more money it should be accepted by both parties. On the surface it looks like we are in a good position. Yet, the corner schools are not only not jumping, but are willing to take less to not jump. We are talking the UCONNS, Memphis, and SDSU of the world, not the Stanfords, Cal's and Oregon States. So, what are we missing? What is out there that we are undervaluing but the others aren't? That is what bother me.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Show me what makes Finebaum a good prognosticator, and maybe I'll consider what he says. His record for accuracy that I recall isn't very good.

Anything can happen right now in the college football world. My prediction (about as valuable as Finebaum's) is the the B1G and SEC will get something together and go their own way - dumping the NCAA while they're at it.

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It is a report from a SEC mouthpiece. Or, because we don't like what he says is Finebaum now considered "clickbait"?

Finebaum, like him or not, is well connected in the SEC and puts out the message the SEC wants. This makes my wonder does the SEC want the ACC to win out as the third conference? You weren't surprised to see the ACC in there??

As I have said all along, the people on this board seem to think the B12 is in a stronger position than it appears when looking at what is happening in the rest of the Nation. I fear that when the music stops we will look more like an AAC Conference than a P5 Conference. For example, adding UCONN and Memphis. None of the corner schools making a move yet. Talking BB as if it is Football. Those are all actions that made the Big East become the AAC.

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Agree 100%. I believe ESPN is a co-owner of SEC Network so Finebaum has inside information on SEC and ESPN.

Right now the ACC is in a much stronger market then the soon to be Big 12 minus OUT and appears to have iron clad exit fees.. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Carolina are bigger draws nationally than our soon to be top four in 2024.

I fear the Big 12 will wind up offering SDSU since they have put themselves in a pickle telling their current conference they are leaving and the Pac 12 doesn't appear to dangle an offer. With out expansionist Commishner I have no doubt he might extend the lifeline to SDSU.

Oregon and Washington will be able to hold the Pac12 together and Colorado and Arizona will not leave without them in my opinion.

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I am with you.

When the 4 corner schools view the B12 as a last ditch option, that makes me worry. What do they know that the B12 doesn't.

Also, the ACC has more history and better connections than the B12, if only through Tobacco Road. They are not going to be an easy out, especially if the SEC is working with them. I would not doubt that the SEC is supporting the ACC.

In Florida, the ACC is viewed as a southern conference at least in my experience. I can see the SEC and ACC working together. But that is all speculation.

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Anyone who thinks Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, etc. will still be in the ACC when that league's grant of rights expires or is broken hasn't been paying attention. Those schools will bolt for the SEC or Big Ten at the earliest possible opportunity, and the remaining ACC brands will be no more valuable than the Big 12's when it happens.

The Big 12, PAC-12 and ACC are all "leftover" leagues. And the Big 12 is at an extreme advantage because it was forced to make that realization and respond accordingly earlier than the others.

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To date the schools that we are attached to for additions are Memphis, SDSU and UCONN.

The corner schools seem to be looking for anything else rather than join the B12, even taking less money.

Sorry, I see the G5. We are making the same moves as the Big East did before they were relegated. Even talking to the same schools.

IMO, we have a tendency on this Board to only see what we want and what certain talking heads push. Not seeing any of the steps needed to make the B12 #3 actually occurring, to the contrary the schools we are talking about our 2nd rate, the P5 schools are doing anything they can NOT to be in the B12, and we are talking BB as if it is fooball, if you are paying attention. Not to mention the media discussions. You really see the B12 being the #3?

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Not buying Memphis. SDSU is likely in for the PAC. UCONN is intriguing, but likely not first on the list either.

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I am good with that.

I am just not seeing moves that reconcile with the message, while seeing other Conferences either still be around longer than expected or being mentioned by the big two as a third.

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Or perhaps you're just misinterpreting the message. The Big 12 just added four non-P5 schools -- three from major metro areas and a fourth with a large religious following -- and added value to its media rights deal. In the absence of name brands, Yormark's mission is about adding territory. The Big 12 is working to expand its footprint into new regions with lots of available eyeballs. When you take that into account, successful G5 programs in major metro areas make a lot more sense.

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Could be. Gonna be tough to break into a playoff diluting the quality of play more. When your premier school is OSU or BYU? Adding from G5s seems counter productive. A merger with PAC or ACC would seem more of a move. If SEC is working with ACC, that will be tough.

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You're relying more on your biases than data when drawing these conclusions. ESPN and FOX just told us with their wallets that adding the four non-P5 programs we did added value to the league. And the lack of a merger between the Big 12 and PAC-12 should tell us that such a move would be dilutive for the Big 12 schools. If there was money to be made there, that would have been the first move made.

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What you are missing is that it takes 2 to make a deal. The B12 can want it, but if the other parties are not interested it doesn't matter. What bothers me is why?

You are right, if the move can make more money it should be accepted by both parties. On the surface it looks like we are in a good position. Yet, the corner schools are not only not jumping, but are willing to take less to not jump. We are talking the UCONNS, Memphis, and SDSU of the world, not the Stanfords, Cal's and Oregon States. So, what are we missing? What is out there that we are undervaluing but the others aren't? That is what bother me.

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Stanford and Cal aren't valuable to a league that prioritizes athletics. And unfortunately for Oregon State, it's a non-flagship State school in a state with few population centers. I'd much rather have any of those G5's you just mentioned than those three PAC-12 leftovers. All would bring way more value to the Big 12.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Show me what makes Finebaum a good prognosticator, and maybe I'll consider what he says. His record for accuracy that I recall isn't very good.

Anything can happen right now in the college football world. My prediction (about as valuable as Finebaum's) is the the B1G and SEC will get something together and go their own way - dumping the NCAA while they're at it.

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It is a report from a SEC mouthpiece. Or, because we don't like what he says is Finebaum now considered "clickbait"?

Finebaum, like him or not, is well connected in the SEC and puts out the message the SEC wants. This makes my wonder does the SEC want the ACC to win out as the third conference? You weren't surprised to see the ACC in there??

As I have said all along, the people on this board seem to think the B12 is in a stronger position than it appears when looking at what is happening in the rest of the Nation. I fear that when the music stops we will look more like an AAC Conference than a P5 Conference. For example, adding UCONN and Memphis. None of the corner schools making a move yet. Talking BB as if it is Football. Those are all actions that made the Big East become the AAC.

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Agree 100%. I believe ESPN is a co-owner of SEC Network so Finebaum has inside information on SEC and ESPN.

Right now the ACC is in a much stronger market then the soon to be Big 12 minus OUT and appears to have iron clad exit fees.. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Carolina are bigger draws nationally than our soon to be top four in 2024.

I fear the Big 12 will wind up offering SDSU since they have put themselves in a pickle telling their current conference they are leaving and the Pac 12 doesn't appear to dangle an offer. With out expansionist Commishner I have no doubt he might extend the lifeline to SDSU.

Oregon and Washington will be able to hold the Pac12 together and Colorado and Arizona will not leave without them in my opinion.

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I am with you.

When the 4 corner schools view the B12 as a last ditch option, that makes me worry. What do they know that the B12 doesn't.

Also, the ACC has more history and better connections than the B12, if only through Tobacco Road. They are not going to be an easy out, especially if the SEC is working with them. I would not doubt that the SEC is supporting the ACC.

In Florida, the ACC is viewed as a southern conference at least in my experience. I can see the SEC and ACC working together. But that is all speculation.

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Anyone who thinks Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, etc. will still be in the ACC when that league's grant of rights expires or is broken hasn't been paying attention. Those schools will bolt for the SEC or Big Ten at the earliest possible opportunity, and the remaining ACC brands will be no more valuable than the Big 12's when it happens.

The Big 12, PAC-12 and ACC are all "leftover" leagues. And the Big 12 is at an extreme advantage because it was forced to make that realization and respond accordingly earlier than the others.

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To date the schools that we are attached to for additions are Memphis, SDSU and UCONN.

The corner schools seem to be looking for anything else rather than join the B12, even taking less money.

Sorry, I see the G5. We are making the same moves as the Big East did before they were relegated. Even talking to the same schools.

IMO, we have a tendency on this Board to only see what we want and what certain talking heads push. Not seeing any of the steps needed to make the B12 #3 actually occurring, to the contrary the schools we are talking about our 2nd rate, the P5 schools are doing anything they can NOT to be in the B12, and we are talking BB as if it is fooball, if you are paying attention. Not to mention the media discussions. You really see the B12 being the #3?

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Not buying Memphis. SDSU is likely in for the PAC. UCONN is intriguing, but likely not first on the list either.

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I am good with that.

I am just not seeing moves that reconcile with the message, while seeing other Conferences either still be around longer than expected or being mentioned by the big two as a third.

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Or perhaps you're just misinterpreting the message. The Big 12 just added four non-P5 schools -- three from major metro areas and a fourth with a large religious following -- and added value to its media rights deal. In the absence of name brands, Yormark's mission is about adding territory. The Big 12 is working to expand its footprint into new regions with lots of available eyeballs. When you take that into account, successful G5 programs in major metro areas make a lot more sense.

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Could be. Gonna be tough to break into a playoff diluting the quality of play more. When your premier school is OSU or BYU? Adding from G5s seems counter productive. A merger with PAC or ACC would seem more of a move. If SEC is working with ACC, that will be tough.

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You're relying more on your biases than data when drawing these conclusions. ESPN and FOX just told us with their wallets that adding the four non-P5 programs we did added value to the league. And the lack of a merger between the Big 12 and PAC-12 should tell us that such a move would be dilutive for the Big 12 schools. If there was money to be made there, that would have been the first move made.

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What you are missing is that it takes 2 to make a deal. The B12 can want it, but if the other parties are not interested it doesn't matter. What bothers me is why?

You are right, if the move can make more money it should be accepted by both parties. On the surface it looks like we are in a good position. Yet, the corner schools are not only not jumping, but are willing to take less to not jump. We are talking the UCONNS, Memphis, and SDSU of the world, not the Stanfords, Cal's and Oregon States. So, what are we missing? What is out there that we are undervaluing but the others aren't? That is what bother me.

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I don't seem to recall the PAC releasing their numbers yet. Some of the members have said they will see what the numbers are and decide what to do then. There are some rumors floating that the PAC numbers are weak, but I have yet to see anything official. Do you have something official to prove the bolded claim?

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Show me what makes Finebaum a good prognosticator, and maybe I'll consider what he says. His record for accuracy that I recall isn't very good.

Anything can happen right now in the college football world. My prediction (about as valuable as Finebaum's) is the the B1G and SEC will get something together and go their own way - dumping the NCAA while they're at it.

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It is a report from a SEC mouthpiece. Or, because we don't like what he says is Finebaum now considered "clickbait"?

Finebaum, like him or not, is well connected in the SEC and puts out the message the SEC wants. This makes my wonder does the SEC want the ACC to win out as the third conference? You weren't surprised to see the ACC in there??

As I have said all along, the people on this board seem to think the B12 is in a stronger position than it appears when looking at what is happening in the rest of the Nation. I fear that when the music stops we will look more like an AAC Conference than a P5 Conference. For example, adding UCONN and Memphis. None of the corner schools making a move yet. Talking BB as if it is Football. Those are all actions that made the Big East become the AAC.

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Agree 100%. I believe ESPN is a co-owner of SEC Network so Finebaum has inside information on SEC and ESPN.

Right now the ACC is in a much stronger market then the soon to be Big 12 minus OUT and appears to have iron clad exit fees.. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Carolina are bigger draws nationally than our soon to be top four in 2024.

I fear the Big 12 will wind up offering SDSU since they have put themselves in a pickle telling their current conference they are leaving and the Pac 12 doesn't appear to dangle an offer. With out expansionist Commishner I have no doubt he might extend the lifeline to SDSU.

Oregon and Washington will be able to hold the Pac12 together and Colorado and Arizona will not leave without them in my opinion.

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I am with you.

When the 4 corner schools view the B12 as a last ditch option, that makes me worry. What do they know that the B12 doesn't.

Also, the ACC has more history and better connections than the B12, if only through Tobacco Road. They are not going to be an easy out, especially if the SEC is working with them. I would not doubt that the SEC is supporting the ACC.

In Florida, the ACC is viewed as a southern conference at least in my experience. I can see the SEC and ACC working together. But that is all speculation.

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Anyone who thinks Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, etc. will still be in the ACC when that league's grant of rights expires or is broken hasn't been paying attention. Those schools will bolt for the SEC or Big Ten at the earliest possible opportunity, and the remaining ACC brands will be no more valuable than the Big 12's when it happens.

The Big 12, PAC-12 and ACC are all "leftover" leagues. And the Big 12 is at an extreme advantage because it was forced to make that realization and respond accordingly earlier than the others.

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To date the schools that we are attached to for additions are Memphis, SDSU and UCONN.

The corner schools seem to be looking for anything else rather than join the B12, even taking less money.

Sorry, I see the G5. We are making the same moves as the Big East did before they were relegated. Even talking to the same schools.

IMO, we have a tendency on this Board to only see what we want and what certain talking heads push. Not seeing any of the steps needed to make the B12 #3 actually occurring, to the contrary the schools we are talking about our 2nd rate, the P5 schools are doing anything they can NOT to be in the B12, and we are talking BB as if it is fooball, if you are paying attention. Not to mention the media discussions. You really see the B12 being the #3?

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Not buying Memphis. SDSU is likely in for the PAC. UCONN is intriguing, but likely not first on the list either.

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I am good with that.

I am just not seeing moves that reconcile with the message, while seeing other Conferences either still be around longer than expected or being mentioned by the big two as a third.

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Or perhaps you're just misinterpreting the message. The Big 12 just added four non-P5 schools -- three from major metro areas and a fourth with a large religious following -- and added value to its media rights deal. In the absence of name brands, Yormark's mission is about adding territory. The Big 12 is working to expand its footprint into new regions with lots of available eyeballs. When you take that into account, successful G5 programs in major metro areas make a lot more sense.

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Could be. Gonna be tough to break into a playoff diluting the quality of play more. When your premier school is OSU or BYU? Adding from G5s seems counter productive. A merger with PAC or ACC would seem more of a move. If SEC is working with ACC, that will be tough.

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You're relying more on your biases than data when drawing these conclusions. ESPN and FOX just told us with their wallets that adding the four non-P5 programs we did added value to the league. And the lack of a merger between the Big 12 and PAC-12 should tell us that such a move would be dilutive for the Big 12 schools. If there was money to be made there, that would have been the first move made.

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What you are missing is that it takes 2 to make a deal. The B12 can want it, but if the other parties are not interested it doesn't matter. What bothers me is why?

You are right, if the move can make more money it should be accepted by both parties. On the surface it looks like we are in a good position. Yet, the corner schools are not only not jumping, but are willing to take less to not jump. We are talking the UCONNS, Memphis, and SDSU of the world, not the Stanfords, Cal's and Oregon States. So, what are we missing? What is out there that we are undervaluing but the others aren't? That is what bother me.

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I don't seem to recall the PAC releasing their numbers yet. Some of the members have said they will see what the numbers are and decide what to do then. There are some rumors floating that the PAC numbers are weak, but I have yet to see anything official. Do you have something official to prove the bolded claim?

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No just the way the schools are reacting. Something doesn't add up. I may be wrong, just posting what I see.

This is interesting…

Every D1 college in the US pic.twitter.com/VDBcc2A7pj

— Andrew Petcash (@AndrewPetcash) June 28, 2023

And this sums up why the Pac 10 is doomed.

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This is interesting…

Every D1 college in the US pic.twitter.com/VDBcc2A7pj

— Andrew Petcash (@AndrewPetcash) June 28, 2023

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My two cents:

1. Too many people live in the east.
2. The western borders of the Dakotas really are in the middle of nowhere.

Great add

— Andrew Petcash (@AndrewPetcash) June 28, 2023

boognish_bear said:

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This is interesting…

Every D1 college in the US pic.twitter.com/VDBcc2A7pj

— Andrew Petcash (@AndrewPetcash) June 28, 2023

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Its amazing how well North Dakota State does with such a low population

BTW - what is the school down Corpus Christi way? The only school I can think of is TAMU-Corpus. I thought they were DII

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This is interesting…

Every D1 college in the US pic.twitter.com/VDBcc2A7pj

— Andrew Petcash (@AndrewPetcash) June 28, 2023

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Its amazing how well North Dakota State does with such a low population

BTW - what is the school down Corpus Christi way? The only school I can think of is TAMU-Corpus. I thought they were DII

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Now DI. Per Wikipedia:

"The Texas A&MCorpus Christi (TAMUCC) athletic teams are called the Islanders. The university is a member of the Division I level of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), primarily competing in the Southland Conference since the 2006-07 academic year. Prior to that, the Islanders had competed as an NCAA Division III Independent from 1999-2000 to 2001-02; as well as an NCAA D-I Independent from 2002-03 to 2005-06."

Yep .. they've qualified for March Madness recently.

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Yep .. they've qualified for March Madness recently.

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We would play them in bball back in the day, but they werent very good back then

Let's just go back to this. pic.twitter.com/C54LlaBaPy

— Big Game Boomer (@BigGameBoomer) July 5, 2023

Makes sense geographically but it will never happen. It's all about the $$$.

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Let's just go back to this. pic.twitter.com/C54LlaBaPy

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So whenever put this together took UCLA off the board and replaced them with Idaho. Bold move Cotton.

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Show me what makes Finebaum a good prognosticator, and maybe I'll consider what he says. His record for accuracy that I recall isn't very good.

Anything can happen right now in the college football world. My prediction (about as valuable as Finebaum's) is the the B1G and SEC will get something together and go their own way - dumping the NCAA while they're at it.

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It is a report from a SEC mouthpiece. Or, because we don't like what he says is Finebaum now considered "clickbait"?

Finebaum, like him or not, is well connected in the SEC and puts out the message the SEC wants. This makes my wonder does the SEC want the ACC to win out as the third conference? You weren't surprised to see the ACC in there??

As I have said all along, the people on this board seem to think the B12 is in a stronger position than it appears when looking at what is happening in the rest of the Nation. I fear that when the music stops we will look more like an AAC Conference than a P5 Conference. For example, adding UCONN and Memphis. None of the corner schools making a move yet. Talking BB as if it is Football. Those are all actions that made the Big East become the AAC.

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Agree 100%. I believe ESPN is a co-owner of SEC Network so Finebaum has inside information on SEC and ESPN.

Right now the ACC is in a much stronger market then the soon to be Big 12 minus OUT and appears to have iron clad exit fees.. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Carolina are bigger draws nationally than our soon to be top four in 2024.

I fear the Big 12 will wind up offering SDSU since they have put themselves in a pickle telling their current conference they are leaving and the Pac 12 doesn't appear to dangle an offer. With out expansionist Commishner I have no doubt he might extend the lifeline to SDSU.

Oregon and Washington will be able to hold the Pac12 together and Colorado and Arizona will not leave without them in my opinion.

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I am with you.

When the 4 corner schools view the B12 as a last ditch option, that makes me worry. What do they know that the B12 doesn't.

Also, the ACC has more history and better connections than the B12, if only through Tobacco Road. They are not going to be an easy out, especially if the SEC is working with them. I would not doubt that the SEC is supporting the ACC.

In Florida, the ACC is viewed as a southern conference at least in my experience. I can see the SEC and ACC working together. But that is all speculation.

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Anyone who thinks Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, etc. will still be in the ACC when that league's grant of rights expires or is broken hasn't been paying attention. Those schools will bolt for the SEC or Big Ten at the earliest possible opportunity, and the remaining ACC brands will be no more valuable than the Big 12's when it happens.

The Big 12, PAC-12 and ACC are all "leftover" leagues. And the Big 12 is at an extreme advantage because it was forced to make that realization and respond accordingly earlier than the others.

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To date the schools that we are attached to for additions are Memphis, SDSU and UCONN.

The corner schools seem to be looking for anything else rather than join the B12, even taking less money.

Sorry, I see the G5. We are making the same moves as the Big East did before they were relegated. Even talking to the same schools.

IMO, we have a tendency on this Board to only see what we want and what certain talking heads push. Not seeing any of the steps needed to make the B12 #3 actually occurring, to the contrary the schools we are talking about our 2nd rate, the P5 schools are doing anything they can NOT to be in the B12, and we are talking BB as if it is fooball, if you are paying attention. Not to mention the media discussions. You really see the B12 being the #3?

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Not buying Memphis. SDSU is likely in for the PAC. UCONN is intriguing, but likely not first on the list either.

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I am good with that.

I am just not seeing moves that reconcile with the message, while seeing other Conferences either still be around longer than expected or being mentioned by the big two as a third.

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Or perhaps you're just misinterpreting the message. The Big 12 just added four non-P5 schools -- three from major metro areas and a fourth with a large religious following -- and added value to its media rights deal. In the absence of name brands, Yormark's mission is about adding territory. The Big 12 is working to expand its footprint into new regions with lots of available eyeballs. When you take that into account, successful G5 programs in major metro areas make a lot more sense.

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Could be. Gonna be tough to break into a playoff diluting the quality of play more. When your premier school is OSU or BYU? Adding from G5s seems counter productive. A merger with PAC or ACC would seem more of a move. If SEC is working with ACC, that will be tough.

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You're relying more on your biases than data when drawing these conclusions. ESPN and FOX just told us with their wallets that adding the four non-P5 programs we did added value to the league. And the lack of a merger between the Big 12 and PAC-12 should tell us that such a move would be dilutive for the Big 12 schools. If there was money to be made there, that would have been the first move made.

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What you are missing is that it takes 2 to make a deal. The B12 can want it, but if the other parties are not interested it doesn't matter. What bothers me is why?

You are right, if the move can make more money it should be accepted by both parties. On the surface it looks like we are in a good position. Yet, the corner schools are not only not jumping, but are willing to take less to not jump. We are talking the UCONNS, Memphis, and SDSU of the world, not the Stanfords, Cal's and Oregon States. So, what are we missing? What is out there that we are undervaluing but the others aren't? That is what bother me.

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I don't seem to recall the PAC releasing their numbers yet. Some of the members have said they will see what the numbers are and decide what to do then. There are some rumors floating that the PAC numbers are weak, but I have yet to see anything official. Do you have something official to prove the bolded claim?

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No just the way the schools are reacting. Something doesn't add up. I may be wrong, just posting what I see.

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I believe that (1) the PAC 12 doesn't believe that the Big 12 would reject any PAC 12 teams that would want to join the Big 12 (other than maybe Oregon State and Washington State), so there is no incentive to jump to the Big 12 until the relevant PAC 12 team is fully sure that the change would make sense and (2) any PAC 12 team that joined for 2024-2025 would likely receive a significantly smaller media payout than it would receive by staying in the PAC 12 for that season (i.e. there are no pro rata payouts for Big 12 P5 expansion for 2024-2025, so any PAC 12 team that moved could in theory make $0 for media payouts in the Big 12 for that season).

TLDR: There is no incentive for any PAC 12 member to move at this moment in time. Things could change at any moment though by either (1) the Big 12 cutting a deal with media for 2024-2025 to ensure that any PAC 12 team would know what they would make for that season in the Big 12 or (2) the final offer to the PAC 12 being so bad that it wouldn't be worth it to remain in the PAC 12.

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Show me what makes Finebaum a good prognosticator, and maybe I'll consider what he says. His record for accuracy that I recall isn't very good.

Anything can happen right now in the college football world. My prediction (about as valuable as Finebaum's) is the the B1G and SEC will get something together and go their own way - dumping the NCAA while they're at it.

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It is a report from a SEC mouthpiece. Or, because we don't like what he says is Finebaum now considered "clickbait"?

Finebaum, like him or not, is well connected in the SEC and puts out the message the SEC wants. This makes my wonder does the SEC want the ACC to win out as the third conference? You weren't surprised to see the ACC in there??

As I have said all along, the people on this board seem to think the B12 is in a stronger position than it appears when looking at what is happening in the rest of the Nation. I fear that when the music stops we will look more like an AAC Conference than a P5 Conference. For example, adding UCONN and Memphis. None of the corner schools making a move yet. Talking BB as if it is Football. Those are all actions that made the Big East become the AAC.

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Agree 100%. I believe ESPN is a co-owner of SEC Network so Finebaum has inside information on SEC and ESPN.

Right now the ACC is in a much stronger market then the soon to be Big 12 minus OUT and appears to have iron clad exit fees.. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Carolina are bigger draws nationally than our soon to be top four in 2024.

I fear the Big 12 will wind up offering SDSU since they have put themselves in a pickle telling their current conference they are leaving and the Pac 12 doesn't appear to dangle an offer. With out expansionist Commishner I have no doubt he might extend the lifeline to SDSU.

Oregon and Washington will be able to hold the Pac12 together and Colorado and Arizona will not leave without them in my opinion.

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I am with you.

When the 4 corner schools view the B12 as a last ditch option, that makes me worry. What do they know that the B12 doesn't.

Also, the ACC has more history and better connections than the B12, if only through Tobacco Road. They are not going to be an easy out, especially if the SEC is working with them. I would not doubt that the SEC is supporting the ACC.

In Florida, the ACC is viewed as a southern conference at least in my experience. I can see the SEC and ACC working together. But that is all speculation.

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Anyone who thinks Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, etc. will still be in the ACC when that league's grant of rights expires or is broken hasn't been paying attention. Those schools will bolt for the SEC or Big Ten at the earliest possible opportunity, and the remaining ACC brands will be no more valuable than the Big 12's when it happens.

The Big 12, PAC-12 and ACC are all "leftover" leagues. And the Big 12 is at an extreme advantage because it was forced to make that realization and respond accordingly earlier than the others.

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To date the schools that we are attached to for additions are Memphis, SDSU and UCONN.

The corner schools seem to be looking for anything else rather than join the B12, even taking less money.

Sorry, I see the G5. We are making the same moves as the Big East did before they were relegated. Even talking to the same schools.

IMO, we have a tendency on this Board to only see what we want and what certain talking heads push. Not seeing any of the steps needed to make the B12 #3 actually occurring, to the contrary the schools we are talking about our 2nd rate, the P5 schools are doing anything they can NOT to be in the B12, and we are talking BB as if it is fooball, if you are paying attention. Not to mention the media discussions. You really see the B12 being the #3?

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Not buying Memphis. SDSU is likely in for the PAC. UCONN is intriguing, but likely not first on the list either.

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I am good with that.

I am just not seeing moves that reconcile with the message, while seeing other Conferences either still be around longer than expected or being mentioned by the big two as a third.

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Or perhaps you're just misinterpreting the message. The Big 12 just added four non-P5 schools -- three from major metro areas and a fourth with a large religious following -- and added value to its media rights deal. In the absence of name brands, Yormark's mission is about adding territory. The Big 12 is working to expand its footprint into new regions with lots of available eyeballs. When you take that into account, successful G5 programs in major metro areas make a lot more sense.

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Could be. Gonna be tough to break into a playoff diluting the quality of play more. When your premier school is OSU or BYU? Adding from G5s seems counter productive. A merger with PAC or ACC would seem more of a move. If SEC is working with ACC, that will be tough.

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You're relying more on your biases than data when drawing these conclusions. ESPN and FOX just told us with their wallets that adding the four non-P5 programs we did added value to the league. And the lack of a merger between the Big 12 and PAC-12 should tell us that such a move would be dilutive for the Big 12 schools. If there was money to be made there, that would have been the first move made.

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What you are missing is that it takes 2 to make a deal. The B12 can want it, but if the other parties are not interested it doesn't matter. What bothers me is why?

You are right, if the move can make more money it should be accepted by both parties. On the surface it looks like we are in a good position. Yet, the corner schools are not only not jumping, but are willing to take less to not jump. We are talking the UCONNS, Memphis, and SDSU of the world, not the Stanfords, Cal's and Oregon States. So, what are we missing? What is out there that we are undervaluing but the others aren't? That is what bother me.

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I don't seem to recall the PAC releasing their numbers yet. Some of the members have said they will see what the numbers are and decide what to do then. There are some rumors floating that the PAC numbers are weak, but I have yet to see anything official. Do you have something official to prove the bolded claim?

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No just the way the schools are reacting. Something doesn't add up. I may be wrong, just posting what I see.

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I believe that (1) the PAC 12 doesn't believe that the Big 12 would reject any PAC 12 teams that would want to join the Big 12 (other than maybe Oregon State and Washington State), so there is no incentive to jump to the Big 12 until the relevant PAC 12 team is fully sure that the change would make sense and (2) any PAC 12 team that joined for 2024-2025 would likely receive a significantly smaller media payout than it would receive by staying in the PAC 12 for that season (i.e. there are no pro rata payouts for Big 12 P5 expansion for 2024-2025, so any PAC 12 team that moved could in theory make $0 for media payouts in the Big 12 for that season).

TLDR: There is no incentive for any PAC 12 member to move at this moment in time. Things could change at any moment though by either (1) the Big 12 cutting a deal with media for 2024-2025 to ensure that any PAC 12 team would know what they would make for that season in the Big 12 or (2) the final offer to the PAC 12 being so bad that it wouldn't be worth it to remain in the PAC 12.

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Makes sense. Finebaum is also starting to report PAC in trouble.

As long as we’re amplifying Paul Finebaum’s takes on the #Big12 today:

“Memphis should be in the Big 12 today,” Finebaum said. “I thought it was a gross mistake by the conference a couple years ago to pass when they ended up not taking anyone in, and ultimately they did of… pic.twitter.com/s9gXxN6E67

— Memphis Belongs in the Big 12 (@memBig12) July 6, 2023

Thankfully the conference doesn't take advice from PF!

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As long as we’re amplifying Paul Finebaum’s takes on the #Big12 today:

“Memphis should be in the Big 12 today,” Finebaum said. “I thought it was a gross mistake by the conference a couple years ago to pass when they ended up not taking anyone in, and ultimately they did of… pic.twitter.com/s9gXxN6E67

— Memphis Belongs in the Big 12 (@memBig12) July 6, 2023

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PF wants the B12 as a G5.

I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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They are also a Carnegie R1 institution. Pretty prestigious

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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I don't get it either. It basically comes down to P5/G5 bias.

The fact that anyone is excited about Colorado baffles me. That athletic program is an abject disaster, and if Deion doesn't work out, it will be a total drain on whatever league it's in for the next decade plus.

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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They are also a Carnegie R1 institution. Pretty prestigious

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In absolutely no way is Memphis prestigious.

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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They are also a Carnegie R1 institution. Pretty prestigious

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In absolutely no way is Memphis prestigious.

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They said today on ESPN, the Conferences going forward are about Brand, not geography. Memphis, UConn and BB do not help brand. We are setting ourselfs up to be 2nd tier at best with these choices.

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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They are also a Carnegie R1 institution. Pretty prestigious

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In absolutely no way is Memphis prestigious.

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They said today on ESPN, the Conferences going forward are about Brand, not geography. Memphis, UConn and BB do not help brand. We are setting ourselfs up to be 2nd tier at best with these choices.

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That applies to the Big Ten and SEC. None of the other power conferences can operate under that paradigm because none can attract brands that move the needle.

You think the Big12, ACC, or Pac12 will be 1st tier again anytime soon?

Finebaum's showing his ass again which is daily. Tennessee grad who turns his back on them to suck up to Bama for decade. No way he thinks they belong. It's a joke on Big 12 fans. If we stoop to Memphis we will officially be know as G6.

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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They are also a Carnegie R1 institution. Pretty prestigious

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In absolutely no way is Memphis prestigious.

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They said today on ESPN, the Conferences going forward are about Brand, not geography. Memphis, UConn and BB do not help brand. We are setting ourselfs up to be 2nd tier at best with these choices.

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That applies to the Big Ten and SEC. None of the other power conferences can operate under that paradigm because none can attract brands that move the needle.

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That will create a G5 type conference. Briles had the BU brand flying until the scandal, which had nothing to do with on field product. BU BB was close. OSU had their brand going for a while. TCU is in position. Tech under Leach.

Need a brand, 3 yards and a cloud of dust with tough D will make the HS coach-type happy, but will not move the brand needle. Right now, BYU is the closest to a brand. We need more brand development and less thinking small.

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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They are also a Carnegie R1 institution. Pretty prestigious

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In absolutely no way is Memphis prestigious.

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They said today on ESPN, the Conferences going forward are about Brand, not geography. Memphis, UConn and BB do not help brand. We are setting ourselfs up to be 2nd tier at best with these choices.

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That applies to the Big Ten and SEC. None of the other power conferences can operate under that paradigm because none can attract brands that move the needle.

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That will create a G5 type conference. Briles had the BU brand flying until the scandal, which had nothing to do with on field product. BU BB was close. OSU had their brand going for a while. TCU is in position. Tech under Leach.

Need a brand, 3 yards and a cloud of dust with tough D will make the HS coach-type happy, but will not move the brand needle. Right now, BYU is the closest to a brand. We need more brand development and less thinking small.

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"Brand development" has a hard ceiling in college football. And if you don't believe me, look at Oregon, which is the closest thing to a "new blood" that exists. As good and sexy as that program has been, it's still only on the periphery of the Big Ten's expansion plans, and by many accounts remains behind Washington in the pecking order.

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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They are also a Carnegie R1 institution. Pretty prestigious

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In absolutely no way is Memphis prestigious.

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They said today on ESPN, the Conferences going forward are about Brand, not geography. Memphis, UConn and BB do not help brand. We are setting ourselfs up to be 2nd tier at best with these choices.

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That applies to the Big Ten and SEC. None of the other power conferences can operate under that paradigm because none can attract brands that move the needle.

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That will create a G5 type conference. Briles had the BU brand flying until the scandal, which had nothing to do with on field product. BU BB was close. OSU had their brand going for a while. TCU is in position. Tech under Leach.

Need a brand, 3 yards and a cloud of dust with tough D will make the HS coach-type happy, but will not move the brand needle. Right now, BYU is the closest to a brand. We need more brand development and less thinking small.

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"Brand development" has a hard ceiling in college football. And if you don't believe me, look at Oregon, which is the closest thing to a "new blood" that exists. As good and sexy as that program has been, it's still only on the periphery of the Big Ten's expansion plans, and by many accounts remains behind Washington in the pecking order.

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Reports stated that Oregon and USC were the top choices of the B1G prior to FOX weighing in, and, if true, any assertion that Oregon is on the fringes of B1G interest is a little silly.

They are definitely on the fringes, because they desperately want in but haven't been invited. Which, I guess, is better than being deep in the rough with no hope of getting there.

Oregon is a fabulous marketing creation of Phil Knight. Which may not be enough.

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They are definitely on the fringes, because they desperately want in but haven't been invited. Which, I guess, is better than being deep in the rough with no hope of getting there.

Oregon is a fabulous marketing creation of Phil Knight. Which may not be enough.

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The B1G has no incentive to add them until the PAC collapses, the ACC GOR expires/terminated, and/or the SEC expands further as there is no competing conference threat to the B1G's ability to add them at any time in the future prior to the B1G/SEC moving on. Some in this thread are equating Oregon not currently being a member of the B1G as evidence that the B1G doesn't want them, and while that assessment makes sense from the standpoint of the Big 12/ACC/PAC, it doesn't make sense from the SEC/B1G standpoint where more coherent planning is possible.

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I really do not get the hate on here for Memphis. Extremely similar comparison to Cincinnati or Houston. Recruiting hotbed, occasionally competitive in major sports, gets you into new territory, would benefit greatly from a step up and conference affiliation…

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They are also a Carnegie R1 institution. Pretty prestigious

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In absolutely no way is Memphis prestigious.

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They said today on ESPN, the Conferences going forward are about Brand, not geography. Memphis, UConn and BB do not help brand. We are setting ourselfs up to be 2nd tier at best with these choices.

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That applies to the Big Ten and SEC. None of the other power conferences can operate under that paradigm because none can attract brands that move the needle.

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That will create a G5 type conference. Briles had the BU brand flying until the scandal, which had nothing to do with on field product. BU BB was close. OSU had their brand going for a while. TCU is in position. Tech under Leach.

Need a brand, 3 yards and a cloud of dust with tough D will make the HS coach-type happy, but will not move the brand needle. Right now, BYU is the closest to a brand. We need more brand development and less thinking small.

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"Brand development" has a hard ceiling in college football. And if you don't believe me, look at Oregon, which is the closest thing to a "new blood" that exists. As good and sexy as that program has been, it's still only on the periphery of the Big Ten's expansion plans, and by many accounts remains behind Washington in the pecking order.

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Reports stated that Oregon and USC were the top choices of the B1G prior to FOX weighing in, and, IF TRUE, any assertion that Oregon is on the fringes of B1G interest is a little silly.

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Emphasis added. There are reports out there for every scenario you want to put forward. Given the current state of affairs, it is very reasonable to say Oregon is on the fringes of B1G interest - they weren't invited in the first round, they still haven't been invited despite very public overtures practically begging for an invite ever since, and B1G athletic directors are openly talking about not immediately needing more expansion and, if they do expand again, heading down towards ACC land. If you want to rephrase all of that to say that they aren't monetarily valuable enough to FOX (and therefore the B1G), the ramifications are still the same.