You're a nut. Every village should have some crazy characters just as an object lesson to help keep kids off the meth. I'm glad we have you.

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Good luck with that deal.
Art won't be coaching again anywhere major or professional. Wouldn't put it past a stupid school board since there are so many bad ones.

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Good luck with what deal? That train left the station long ago when Baylor botched their crisis management. It's a little too late for Baylor to do the right thing now.

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And she'd better be very careful because I'd be willing to be that the confidentiality portion of that agreement says that you can't reveal the terms of the deal.

And stop already with the "you don't pay a guilty guy $15MM." That's just childish. There are TONS of very guilty people that get settlements. Sometimes the institution is buying their way out of a fight because the fight would make both sides look bad.

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and since youre on the railroad briles train if hes guilty why did it take the regents 6 months to say why he was fired? why didnt they just say he did this and terminate his contract and not pay him a dime?? ill be waiting for your answer.

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Are you kidding? There was an investigation going on, at least three law-firms involved, at least two PR firms, the regular staff, global decisions about who needed to stay and go, almost total turnover of staff on the primary revenue generating sport, termination of the AD, potential termination of the President, all of this to be decided on by 30ish regents, all of whom had other full-time jobs. I'm amazed it got done that fast. As far as why to pay a guy that may have deserved termination and no money, I suspect that they thought that they were buying some silence.

You seem to have an odd, inconsistent view about financial and non-financial motivations for settlement. For example, you claim that paying Briles and settling with him instead of terminating MUST mean that Briles was 100% innocent, but you don't seem to be willing to think that Briles accepting the termination of his employment, taking the $ and agreeing to be quiet instead of fighting to prove his innocence means that he may have had something to feel guilty about.

I think the more likely situation is that both sides had a lot not to be proud of and both thought that severing the relationship is as confidential a way as possible would be best. Both sides wanted the noise to die down quickly so that (1) Baylor could get on with rebuilding the program, and (2) Briles could start looking for his next gig.

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Not sure. I see someone on twitter asked her to post it. Just guessing, but he probably cannot share the letter either since he got the $$$. Maybe he has to wait 3 yrs or some timeframe? No idea, agree that the letter is worthless if he cannot share it.

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Seems unlikely that he has such a letter, but I suppose it's possible that he agreed he couldn't make it public and was only allowed to provide it to potential employers after they've signed some sort of NDA. At the time he took the settlement, I doubt he had any idea that the BOR and ESPN were going to try to paint him as the granddaddy of all rape enablers. He may well have assumed a letter like that was all he would need to get hired. I still think it's unlikely, but I guess we can't rule it out.

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Keyser Soze said:

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Exonerate what?

Without seeing said letter, it is meaningless.

Does it exonerate criminal behavior? That would be a very low bar if that is all that is it.

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Doesn't really matter what level of culpability the letter exonerates. Do you really think that the SJWs are going to suddenly drop their crusade over ANYTHING that Baylor has to say? They already believe that there is so much more to this scandal than what the university has said, even to the point of detailing activities and making claims that have not been acknowledged. Outside of having the genuine signatures of Gina Maisto Smith and Leslie Gomez, a letter means nothing at this point.

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It would matter to many here. Certainly could shorten a few debates. But, yest the SJW would not care.

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I don't think that SE365 debate is compelling enough reason for its release. Wouldn't surprise me if Baylor didn't get on the phone within 10 minutes with checkbook in hand to make sure it didn't get out.

And do you really think it would change the debates here (which are even more polarized than they were on Bfans)? One side will say, "See I told you so," and the other will say, "They just gave him that as a ploy to get him to go quietly. It's not true."

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OsoCoreyell said:

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And she'd better be very careful because I'd be willing to be that the confidentiality portion of that agreement says that you can't reveal the terms of the deal.

And stop already with the "you don't pay a guilty guy $15MM." That's just childish. There are TONS of very guilty people that get settlements. Sometimes the institution is buying their way out of a fight because the fight would make both sides look bad.

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and since youre on the railroad briles train if hes guilty why did it take the regents 6 months to say why he was fired? why didnt they just say he did this and terminate his contract and not pay him a dime?? ill be waiting for your answer.

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Are you kidding? There was an investigation going on, at least three law-firms involved, at least two PR firms, the regular staff, global decisions about who needed to stay and go, almost total turnover of staff on the primary revenue generating sport, termination of the AD, potential termination of the President, all of this to be decided on by 30ish regents, all of whom had other full-time jobs. I'm amazed it got done that fast.

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Yeah... not buying it. The investigation into the facts was complete before Briles was removed. At that point, the university needed to provide the unvarnished truth. It didn't.

The excuse that you give--that it was a complicated situation with many different elements, does not change that basic truth.

All these Briles threads... I liked the guy when he was here... but he is gone and he is not coming back, don't let me interrupt you guys though, carry on.

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All these Briles threads... I liked the guy when he was here... but he is gone and he is not coming back, don't let me interrupt you guys though, carry on.

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How many exes do you have? Whatever that number is, that's how many still talk to each other about you.

Is that the best you got? This is an example of poor management and governance along with irresponsible and weak valued adults. We ll show the kids how fools mismanaged things while ducking responsibility. Will you wear you #CAB t shirt so a national audience can watch you embarrass yourself?

They did screw up. The world knows it. Big 12 money is getting withheld.
However, Briles screwed up and kept trying to head butt his way to another job. The only problem was his actions and inactions built a wall of mistrust and fear among anyone wanting to do business with that physical education teacher.
Advertisers and people with no financial interest do not want to do business with him. He and his staff through pre and post firing actions are the major reason why no one wants them.

You guys need to pack up and support someone who you ll see coach again. Matt Rhule looks like a class act and not a glorified p.e. teacher. Why not give him a chance? Look at the character previously shown at his new job.

PUNT! Sarah, PUNT!

Level of culpability always matters. That's why we have a legal system folks. All sins aint the same according to the state of Tejas. United Estados too.

I am surely pleased that Baylor has cleaned up, but they done a whole mess of screwing up to get to this point. We're talking long term damage. Decades of damage. I'd spit in the eye of every dadgum regent who clustered this crisis. They aint welcome ever again at Baylor as far as I am concerned. But hey they are all mostly old and aint long for this blue marble anyhow.

People at the school need a big ol rearview mirror for the long road ahead. Students need to be informed every year. Shoot maybe twice a year. Maybe a third just for the women.

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They did screw up. The world knows it. Big 12 money is getting withheld.
However, Briles screwed up and kept trying to head butt his way to another job. The only problem was his actions and inactions built a wall of mistrust and fear among anyone wanting to do business with that physical education teacher.
Advertisers and people with no financial interest do not want to do business with him. He and his staff through pre and post firing actions are the major reason why no one wants them.

You guys need to pack up and support someone who you ll see coach again. Matt Rhule looks like a class act and not a glorified p.e. teacher. Why not give him a chance? Look at the character previously shown at his new job.

PUNT! Sarah, PUNT!

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This aint all about football kemosabee. Better open your ojos. See if you cant score some extra lithium from anabolic andrew when he gets done with his chest reps up in the pretzel lounge. Might help.

Doesn't work that way in life. The losers leave and go away or are forced to go away.
You guys need the therapist and doctors. It is an easy way to cope with subpar decisions made by First Briles and the Parishioners. You come off as a possible candidate for suicide or Oldbear83 from Baylorfans.
Wise men would have stfu. Stupid ones cannot help themselves and keep destroying opportunities.

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Doesn't work that way in life. The losers leave and go away or are forced to go away.
You guys need the therapist and doctors. It is an easy way to cope with subpar decisions made by First Briles and the Parishioners.
Wise men would have stfu. Stupid ones cannot help themselves and keep destroying opportunities.

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What I need is a university that has the damn foresight to avoid dead basketball players and rape scandals.

I wouldn't put my hopes behind Sarah Briles or rogue regents producing a miracle:

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I wouldn't put my hopes behind Sarah Briles or rogue regents producing a miracle:

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Did I mention a Briles or rogue regents?

I'm talking top to bottom. Boys and girls. Cats and dogs.

This pile of bullhonky better not ever happen at Baylor again. No scandals, no murders. I don't want to hear that somebody had a wet fart at the school. Radio silence. 50 years. The entire student body should be on notice too.

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Any such letter would almost certainly be accompanied by a nondisclosure and confidentiality agreement. Mentioning it in a tweet would violate same, if it exists. I'm calling shananigans.

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What good is the letter, then, If it can't be made public? If he does have the letter and he shows it to a prospective employer, they hire him, but then they back track because of public outcry, the letter has done no good.

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If I were drawing up such an agreement, I would include a carve out for limited disclosure for employment purposes subject to the prospective employers agreement for non-disclosure. I agree with you it's weird and the whole issue makes me doubt the existence of such a letter. Certainly you would want to use such a letter to defend litigation, but that would instantly make it public. I just can't see my way to BU indemnifying and exonerating their prime scapegoat.I don't use scapegoat to indicate I don't think CAB was in the wrong, just to say that the university wants to push off as much blame as possible.

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He and his staff through pre and post firing actions are the major reason why no one wants them.

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You keep saying this, and it only proves how clueless you are. In case you didn't notice, the Hamilton Tiger Cats did hire him. And Art sitting in the stands at Rice Stadium, or some battered coaches sending a group tweet, or his family proclaiming his innocence has nothing whatsoever to do with why they rescinded the offer (they knew all of these things BEFORE they hired him). It was entirely because of a mass triggering, followed by an atomic twittering from the ever-expanding SJW Nation, the vast majority of whom couldn't name one single team in the CFL if you held a Sarah Palin-autographed rifle to their heads.

Spare me the response. I sent the translator home for the day..

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xiledinok said:

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Doesn't work that way in life. The losers leave and go away or are forced to go away.
You guys need the therapist and doctors. It is an easy way to cope with subpar decisions made by First Briles and the Parishioners.
Wise men would have stfu. Stupid ones cannot help themselves and keep destroying opportunities.

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What I need is a university that has the damn foresight to avoid dead basketball players and rape scandals.

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Wow that's great news! I thought you died in 1566. Why didn't you warn Baylor about who to look out for?

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xiledinok said:

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Doesn't work that way in life. The losers leave and go away or are forced to go away.
You guys need the therapist and doctors. It is an easy way to cope with subpar decisions made by First Briles and the Parishioners.
Wise men would have stfu. Stupid ones cannot help themselves and keep destroying opportunities.

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What I need is a university that has the damn foresight to avoid dead basketball players and rape scandals.

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Wow that's great news! I thought you died in 1566. Why didn't you warn Baylor about who to look out for?

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News? You mean advice?

Advice like, hey Baylor quit submitting to nepotism and hiring BU grads that ain't qualified to wipe their own butts.

I guess I ain't have the prescience to devote a feathered pen letter to the subject back when. I'll get to work on one asap. They gonna need it 10 years from now. Perhaps Tommye Looloo and Ramsowerpuss can serve as co-authors.

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Milliivanilli is a Briles hater from Baylor fans..

I don't doubt such a letter exists and that he hasn't leaked it because, well, be is a man of his word.

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Your delusional ilk doesn't seem to get this after a year, he's unemployable and anathema to the sport.

Its not being a hater telling you to wake up and realize that, in fact it's just getting old that anyone has to.

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hes unemployable because the truth hasnt came out yet the truth that the BOR has tried to bury and the truth that these "10 alleged victims" have at their disposal but i bet they dont bring it to light. they will settle just like hernandez

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Lol. So after these cases settle, what is your next windmill? You going to grab an AED defibrillator and beat on Hernandez some more?

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lol it will just prove my point that these rats are in it for the money and not the truth just like hernandez

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That must be a pretty secret letter if the only people talking about it right now are someone in his family and some guy who coaches football in Sour Lake, Texas.

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To be fair, The TiCats GM mentioned it in a radio interview as well.

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Interesting.

Yet they still melted in the social media SJWs.

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At least their league did.

This is yet another reason why Baylor should have released the facts behind their actions in removing Starr, Briles, McCaw etc. The truth is your friend.

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ive been saying it for years they were fired because of the fake news media! simple as that!

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Piss poor planning on First Briles' part to start bringing up the go away letters.
What could happen? Settlement money returned due to breach and Art along with his crew gets kept out of coaching? Art gets carried off on a white horse?
D.C., Art had his lawsuit. Truthdontlie? It would be ashamed to watch him take out others including his former staff. I wouldn't put it past him to blow up everyone else for redemption.

Face it the advertisers, fans and tv networks don't want Briles. Foreign pressure? Only Briles lawyers would urge the Canadian born CFL analyst wanting June Jones fired because of his stupidity would be labeled foreign.
It is over.

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Why are you talking to me about his lawsuit? I'm saying it would have been better for Baylor to provide the factual basis for their personnel decisions.

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the factual decisions wouldnt fit the media narrative. their lies. and the bor ran with them.

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OsoCoreyell said:

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And she'd better be very careful because I'd be willing to be that the confidentiality portion of that agreement says that you can't reveal the terms of the deal.

And stop already with the "you don't pay a guilty guy $15MM." That's just childish. There are TONS of very guilty people that get settlements. Sometimes the institution is buying their way out of a fight because the fight would make both sides look bad.

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does that mean liars get settlements too?

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Liars, truth tellers, whistleblowers, tortfeasors, co-conspirators, innocent people, wrongly accused, rightly accused, live and dead people and their estates often get settlements. There are lots of reasons litigants and potential litigants settle, only some of which relate to who did what.

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so would you agree that these "victims" are just liars who are taking advantage of this scandal to get paid?

They CFL told them "no"...they are in charge. Just like the Browns hired him and the NFL said "no" to him.

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And she'd better be very careful because I'd be willing to be that the confidentiality portion of that agreement says that you can't reveal the terms of the deal.

And stop already with the "you don't pay a guilty guy $15MM." That's just childish. There are TONS of very guilty people that get settlements. Sometimes the institution is buying their way out of a fight because the fight would make both sides look bad.

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and since youre on the railroad briles train if hes guilty why did it take the regents 6 months to say why he was fired? why didnt they just say he did this and terminate his contract and not pay him a dime?? ill be waiting for your answer.

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Are you kidding? There was an investigation going on, at least three law-firms involved, at least two PR firms, the regular staff, global decisions about who needed to stay and go, almost total turnover of staff on the primary revenue generating sport, termination of the AD, potential termination of the President, all of this to be decided on by 30ish regents, all of whom had other full-time jobs. I'm amazed it got done that fast. As far as why to pay a guy that may have deserved termination and no money, I suspect that they thought that they were buying some silence.

You seem to have an odd, inconsistent view about financial and non-financial motivations for settlement. For example, you claim that paying Briles and settling with him instead of terminating MUST mean that Briles was 100% innocent, but you don't seem to be willing to think that Briles accepting the termination of his employment, taking the $ and agreeing to be quiet instead of fighting to prove his innocence means that he may have had something to feel guilty about.

I think the more likely situation is that both sides had a lot not to be proud of and both thought that severing the relationship is as confidential a way as possible would be best. Both sides wanted the noise to die down quickly so that (1) Baylor could get on with rebuilding the program, and (2) Briles could start looking for his next gig.

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you seem to have your facts distorted which doesnt suprise me. 1 mccaw wasnt fired he resigned 2. thats not what i said i said why are you paying someone 20 m if they are guilty of what youre saying they are and 3 dont give me that bull**** baylor had all the facts of the ph report right in front of them if they had a reason to truly fire him they would have announced it and not paid him a damn dime. youre a moron if you think otherwise

Art should have taken lessons from Ian who seems to have slid right by all of this.

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xiledinok said:

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They did screw up. The world knows it. Big 12 money is getting withheld.
However, Briles screwed up and kept trying to head butt his way to another job. The only problem was his actions and inactions built a wall of mistrust and fear among anyone wanting to do business with that physical education teacher.
Advertisers and people with no financial interest do not want to do business with him. He and his staff through pre and post firing actions are the major reason why no one wants them.

You guys need to pack up and support someone who you ll see coach again. Matt Rhule looks like a class act and not a glorified p.e. teacher. Why not give him a chance? Look at the character previously shown at his new job.

PUNT! Sarah, PUNT!

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This aint all about football kemosabee. Better open your ojos. See if you cant score some extra lithium from anabolic andrew when he gets done with his chest reps up in the pretzel lounge. Might help.

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Actually, this has NOTHING to do with football. Not a single thing....

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Art should have taken lessons from Ian who seems to have slid right by all of this.

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Good point, but Ian was not fired. And he found the one guy in the US who doesn't give a crap what the media says. He did his own due diligence.

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That must be a pretty secret letter if the only people talking about it right now are someone in his family and some guy who coaches football in Sour Lake, Texas.

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To be fair, The TiCats GM mentioned it in a radio interview as well.

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Interesting.

Yet they still melted in the social media SJWs.

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At least their league did.

This is yet another reason why Baylor should have released the facts behind their actions in removing Starr, Briles, McCaw etc. The truth is your friend.

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ive been saying it for years they were fired because of the fake news media! simple as that!

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Baylor has the right to decide who will be an employee. I don't have any problem with them firing Briles (buying out his contract or whatever) as long as they are forthright and honest about why they are doing it. We have seen a variety of double talk from the institution ever since they started to talk.

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Baylor has the right to decide who will be an employee. I don't have any problem with them firing Briles (buying out his contract or whatever) as long as they are forthright and honest about why they are doing it. We have seen a variety of double talk from the institution ever since they started to talk.

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This whole production has been very Clintonesque.

Dumbass move with Rice and letting Oakman in a locker room.
It figures you all would be out running disinformation for Briles. I hope he is paying you.
How many more times will you and your ilk fail before quitting?

Satan smiled and said, "tell them I am proud of them and their actions."

Adolph Hitler laughed and said, "stop it, you guys are a gas."

I think even in hell, they don't want to associate with Briles.

Sarah, just punt. It's your only chance to save your credibility.

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BearForce said:

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Art should have taken lessons from Ian who seems to have slid right by all of this.

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Good point, but Ian was not fired. And he found the one guy in the US who doesn't give a crap what the media says. He did his own due diligence.

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I would say Ian was all but fired...he was smart enough to take the opportunity to be able to resign.

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Baylor has the right to decide who will be an employee. I don't have any problem with them firing Briles (buying out his contract or whatever) as long as they are forthright and honest about why they are doing it. We have seen a variety of double talk from the institution ever since they started to talk.

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This whole production has been very Clintonesque.

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The pants down perjury type Clinton or Blow a shoe in election Clinton?