Mitch Blood Green said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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Not looking very long at all.

He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.

Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.

He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.

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Even if Mulkey was right call, Cohen was wrong call. Not because she's a bad person or coach but because she doesn't have access and relationships to the recruits we need.

She's learning on the job about college coaching.

Honestly, I can't think of anything better than when he got here.

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If you could spell her name correctly, maybe your view of recruiting abilities would hold more weight.

The fact that you can't think of anything better than when ADMR got here and also think Joe Biden is doing a bang up job is pretty telling.

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I can't spell her name but I can see the program isn't better than when she got here. If I spelled it correctly, would that give us a big 12 championship or sweet 16 appearance?

You don't remove Farrah Fawcett from Charlie's Angels, replace her with Maude and write scripts that put Maude in beauty pageants. Some things are a misfit.


Nope, nothing is better. What he is doing is slowly lowering our expectations.

You tell me. What is better? The athletic department economics?

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Football
Facilities
Men's basketball
NCAA compliance
Title IX/Clery Act compliance
Media access to the athletic director
Football

(As you can see, it does begin and end with football).

Collen does have a Big 12 title and the Bears were very short handed due to injury and transfer issues last year. Would Aijha Blackwell and Dre'Una Edwards have made a 4-game swing in the record to move from a tie for 4th to 1st? Quite possibly. There's no reason to think that we have Maude at the helm.

D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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Not looking very long at all.

He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.

Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.

He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.

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Ok, not brother n law. Mac that you?

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You know, if it was ADMR, you know, I would have a very different way of expressing myself.

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Oh come on. You are defending Rhodes to the mattresses. If those that are against him get crap, so do the perceived cheerleaders.

FLBear5630 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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Not looking very long at all.

He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.

Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.

He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.

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Ok, not brother n law. Mac that you?

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You know, if it was ADMR, you know, I would have a very different way of expressing myself.

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Oh come on. You are defending Rhodes to the mattresses. If those that are against him get crap, so do the perceived cheerleaders.

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You know I don't think you quite you know get the joke.

Based on Twittersphere especially regarding that sub tweet to the black out thread, the administration does appear to be losing the alums and fans regarding matters of athletics and branding. Several former Baylor athletes are chiming in on expressing disapproval of the green and velveeta and our atmosphere at McLane.

D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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Not looking very long at all.

He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.

Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.

He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.

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Ok, not brother n law. Mac that you?

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You know, if it was ADMR, you know, I would have a very different way of expressing myself.

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Oh come on. You are defending Rhodes to the mattresses. If those that are against him get crap, so do the perceived cheerleaders.

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You know I don't think you quite you know get the joke.

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If I am missing something, fill me in.

D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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Not looking very long at all.

He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.

Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.

He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.

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Even if Mulkey was right call, Cohen was wrong call. Not because she's a bad person or coach but because she doesn't have access and relationships to the recruits we need.

She's learning on the job about college coaching.

Honestly, I can't think of anything better than when he got here.

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If you could spell her name correctly, maybe your view of recruiting abilities would hold more weight.

The fact that you can't think of anything better than when ADMR got here and also think Joe Biden is doing a bang up job is pretty telling.

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I can't spell her name but I can see the program isn't better than when she got here. If I spelled it correctly, would that give us a big 12 championship or sweet 16 appearance?

You don't remove Farrah Fawcett from Charlie's Angels, replace her with Maude and write scripts that put Maude in beauty pageants. Some things are a misfit.


Nope, nothing is better. What he is doing is slowly lowering our expectations.

You tell me. What is better? The athletic department economics?

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Football
Facilities
Men's basketball
NCAA compliance
Title IX/Clery Act compliance
Media access to the athletic director
Football

(As you can see, it does begin and end with football).

Collen does have a Big 12 title and the Bears were very short handed due to injury and transfer issues last year. Would Aijha Blackwell and Dre'Una Edwards have made a 4-game swing in the record to move from a tie for 4th to 1st? Quite possibly. There's no reason to think that we have Maude at the helm.

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Part of your list, though accurate, reads like the dead beat who buys diapers 4 times a year and says "I take care of my kids"

He gets credit for Title IX and NCAA compliance. The previous mismanagement is malpractice.

D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

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jikespingleton said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

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Think more.

D. C. Bear said:

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ScottS said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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Not looking very long at all.

He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.

Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.

He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.

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Wrong on Mulkey

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Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.

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WBB may not make money, but winning championships brings in donations and prestige to the school. One reason we are getting a new bball court is bc of Mulkey. Either way, what's done is done and we need to move along. No one will change their mind on this board.

You got it.
I know as an absolute that even public research grants can be swayed by sports success. It is no coincidence that BU earned T1/R1 when we won Big12 and MBB natty.

I can't grade Mack on all his hires as I do not follow all Baylor sports closely enough to render an educated opinion; I can say, however, that Coach Mulkey gets a freakin' A+ for recognizing a dumba$$ in a leadership position (more than one actually) and rectifying the situation for herself and her staff.

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I can't grade Mack on all his hires as I do not follow all Baylor sports closely enough to render an educated opinion; I can say, however, that Coach Mulkey gets a freakin' A+ for recognizing a dumba$$ in a leadership position (more than one actually) and rectifying the situation for herself and her staff.

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Great Post!!

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I can't grade Mack on all his hires as I do not follow all Baylor sports closely enough to render an educated opinion; I can say, however, that Coach Mulkey gets a freakin' A+ for recognizing a dumba$$ in a leadership position (more than one actually) and rectifying the situation for herself and her staff.

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She could have left at any time in the years after ADMR was hired, but only did when she didn't get her way with the location of the new field house. As a coach of an relatively unimportant sport, you don't get to dictate a 50-year plus decision.

Coach Drew, who could also leave at any time, missed the memo that ADMR and, one assumes, Linda Livingstone as well, is a dumbass.

If having those dumbasses in leadership gets us
1. in a stable power conference after UT and OU tried to kill off the Big 12,
2. a National Championship in the basketball that counts,
3. a new basketball arena and a new football facility and
4. back-to-back football coaches who have taken us to the Big 12 Championship game with one being a win and one nearly so…

I say those dumbasses deserve a round of applause.

D. C. Bear said:

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baylorbear33 said:

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I can't grade Mack on all his hires as I do not follow all Baylor sports closely enough to render an educated opinion; I can say, however, that Coach Mulkey gets a freakin' A+ for recognizing a dumba$$ in a leadership position (more than one actually) and rectifying the situation for herself and her staff.

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She could have left at any time in the years after ADMR was hired, but only did when she didn't get her way with the location of the new field house. As a coach of an relatively unimportant sport, you don't get to dictate a 50-year plus decision.

Coach Drew, who could also leave at any time, missed the memo that ADMR and, one assumes, Linda Livingstone as well, is a dumbass.

If having those dumbasses in leadership gets us
1. in a stable power conference after UT and OU tried to kill off the Big 12,
2. a National Championship in the basketball that counts,
3. a new basketball arena and a new football facility and
4. back-to-back football coaches who have taken us to the Big 12 Championship game with one being a win and one nearly so…

I say those dumbasses deserve a round of applause.

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I missed the story, what didn't she get her way with on location?

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D. C. Bear said:

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baylorbear33 said:

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I can't grade Mack on all his hires as I do not follow all Baylor sports closely enough to render an educated opinion; I can say, however, that Coach Mulkey gets a freakin' A+ for recognizing a dumba$$ in a leadership position (more than one actually) and rectifying the situation for herself and her staff.

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She could have left at any time in the years after ADMR was hired, but only did when she didn't get her way with the location of the new field house. As a coach of an relatively unimportant sport, you don't get to dictate a 50-year plus decision.

Coach Drew, who could also leave at any time, missed the memo that ADMR and, one assumes, Linda Livingstone as well, is a dumbass.

If having those dumbasses in leadership gets us
1. in a stable power conference after UT and OU tried to kill off the Big 12,
2. a National Championship in the basketball that counts,
3. a new basketball arena and a new football facility and
4. back-to-back football coaches who have taken us to the Big 12 Championship game with one being a win and one nearly so…

I say those dumbasses deserve a round of applause.

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I missed the story, what didn't she get her way with on location?

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She wanted the new arena to be next to the old one. There were probably some other things she didn't get her way on as well.

As DC mentioned, ADMR and other see women's basketball as a "relatively unimportant sport..." Most HOF coaches would leave if their boss didn't see their position as important.

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As DC mentioned, ADMR and other see women's basketball as a "relatively unimportant sport..." Most HOF coaches would leave if their boss didn't see their position as important.

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I am not convinced nor did I say that ADMR sees it as a relatively unimportant sport. Rather, I see it as a relatively unimportant sport.

D. C. Bear said:

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As DC mentioned, ADMR and other see women's basketball as a "relatively unimportant sport..." Most HOF coaches would leave if their boss didn't see their position as important.

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I am not convinced nor did I say that ADMR sees it as a relatively unimportant sport. Rather, I see it as a relatively unimportant sport.

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What's the old saying, "actions speak louder than words?" I'm fine with sacrificing women's bball if we pour more $ into men's bball and football. Just need to be honest about it.

Ghostrider said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Ghostrider said:

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As DC mentioned, ADMR and other see women's basketball as a "relatively unimportant sport..." Most HOF coaches would leave if their boss didn't see their position as important.

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I am not convinced nor did I say that ADMR sees it as a relatively unimportant sport. Rather, I see it as a relatively unimportant sport.

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What's the old say, "actions speak louder than words?" I'm fine with sacrificing women's bball if we pour more $ into men's bball and football. Just need to be honest about it.

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But have we poured the extra $ in?

Pretty good article on that saga
Kim Mulkey to LSU a result of a dead relationship at Baylor | Fort Worth Star-Telegram

D. C. Bear said:

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Ghostrider said:

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As DC mentioned, ADMR and other see women's basketball as a "relatively unimportant sport..." Most HOF coaches would leave if their boss didn't see their position as important.

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I am not convinced nor did I say that ADMR sees it as a relatively unimportant sport. Rather, I see it as a relatively unimportant sport.

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that unimportant sport is on the front page of ESPN right now.

That's only because the Paint-Drying Semi-Finals are tomorrow.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?

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Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.

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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.

Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.

You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.

You'll be looking for a long time if you try.

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Not looking very long at all.

He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.

Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.

He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.

More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.

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Even if Mulkey was right call, Cohen was wrong call. Not because she's a bad person or coach but because she doesn't have access and relationships to the recruits we need.

She's learning on the job about college coaching.

Honestly, I can't think of anything better than when he got here.

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If you could spell her name correctly, maybe your view of recruiting abilities would hold more weight.

The fact that you can't think of anything better than when ADMR got here and also think Joe Biden is doing a bang up job is pretty telling.

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I can't spell her name but I can see the program isn't better than when she got here.

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You are right - it is worse. In fact, Mack has messed up baseball, WBB and football.
The only thing that will prove otherwise is Aranda winning 8 or more games next year.

Hope Mack reads this and knows we all wish him a Happy Happy Birthday today!

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Can anyone name things that have improved under Rhodes?

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Free time on Saturdays in the Fall.

D. C. Bear said:

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baylorbear33 said:

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I can't grade Mack on all his hires as I do not follow all Baylor sports closely enough to render an educated opinion; I can say, however, that Coach Mulkey gets a freakin' A+ for recognizing a dumba$$ in a leadership position (more than one actually) and rectifying the situation for herself and her staff.

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If having those dumbasses in leadership gets us
1. in a stable power conference after UT and OU tried to kill off the Big 12,
2. a National Championship in the basketball that counts,
3. a new basketball arena and a new football facility and
4. back-to-back football coaches who have taken us to the Big 12 Championship game with one being a win and one nearly so…

I say those dumbasses deserve a round of applause.

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1. Wrong.
It was Bowlsby that reeled in the G5 teams and then Yormark who went out and got the TV deal + the P12 leftovers to put the conference on stable ground. Mack and Linda did none of that.

2. Wrong.
The current administration gets no credit at all for hiring scott drew and therefore, no credit for the National Championship "in the basketball that counts".

3. Wrong.
Drew's Title is a big reason for the push and ability to get donations. The current administration did not hire Drew.

4. Correct. However you are leaving out some key stuff - leadership hired a guy who won with Rhules players. Now that those players are gone, we have cratered. So, the end result is that leadership hired a guy who cannot develop a program but surely knows how to crater one.