Winning with talent that you didn't recruit and that is already in place (wisconsin, lsu, 2021 Baylor) is a lot different than calling the shots, hiring the right staff and targeting the right recruits.

It's another reason why a team like us should never hire a guy who isn't a proven program builder.

Rockefeller was long dead when Uchicago left the Big 10. And Stagg Field held 50,000, which was enormous by the standards of the time. UC's current stadium holds about 1,700.

So they did in fact make a conscious decision to downgrade. And it was not really very popular with alumni

The Ivies did too, although they basically just let their entire league get left behind by refusing to offer athletic scholarships or even try to meet FBS standards.

But they did it consciously, not by failing to recognize what was happening around them.

A big part of NIL is the "Image". Not just the athlete who could turn some bucks but first and foremost "Image" of the program and university. We ain't showing too well in case we haven't noticed. The amount of money needed to overcome our image would hamstring even the horns. Nicholson wasn't buyin crazy and players aren't buying "blah".

drahthaar said:

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A big part of NIL is the "Image". Not just the athlete who could turn some bucks but first and foremost "Image" of the program and university. We ain't showing too well in case we haven't noticed. The amount of money needed to overcome our image would hamstring even the horns. Nicholson wasn't buyin crazy and players aren't buying "blah".

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NIL was supposed to be a way for players that performed well and their names were being used as they weren't benefitting. They perverted the original intent, as usual.

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Most of Briles players were not bad dudes or citizens.

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They are the exact same type of football players as everyone else has. People act like Art brought in known murderers and rapists.

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Oh not just that.

People out there act like Art was specifically encouraging them to rape women.

As if he was directing criminal actively and then covering it up.

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Sad part is they still do. Brings some truth to the statement, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

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Armada is a coordinator, not a motivator

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This

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

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Rockefeller was long dead when Uchicago left the Big 10. And Stagg Field held 50,000, which was enormous by the standards of the time. UC's current stadium holds about 1,700.

So they did in fact make a conscious decision to downgrade. And it was not really very popular with alumni

The Ivies did too, although they basically just let their entire league get left behind by refusing to offer athletic scholarships or even try to meet FBS standards.

But they did it consciously, not by failing to recognize what was happening around them.

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Stagg field was built 50 years before they left the conference (no debt on that thing). It was also borrowed by government for some important work in WW2. (And by the way, Rockefeller's $35mm when it was given out would be the equivalent of $1billion today.

The cost of sports, and the revenue that colleges are dependent on, has grown exponentially since the 1940s. Chicago's decision to leave the Big 10 had a fraction of the consequences that would face any school in the power 4 today.
The question is not a new one, as there were discussions during Judge McCall's tenure as to possibly downsizing the football program. It was determined then as it would be now that Baylor's investment in the football program is too large to walk away from, and that overall giving to the University is very much linked to our successful athletic programs. What were the donation levels after the Heisman year, or the Basketball NC?