This thread is going to turn into a poopstorm quick. I can hear the trolls grumbling.

Outlook seems pretty gloomy as of now. Hopefully this isn't the end of the programs relevance and we see a different team and game plan next week.

it wasn't realistic to expect Briles to stay much longer. He was cutting some corners, already at 62, not as motivated at times. He really wasn't out recruiting his ass off or anything. Too many buddies on his coaching staff. The only upside to him was passing the reigns to his kid.

I was under the impression this is why we hired an Athletics Director, but people kept telling me his job was to stay out of Briles way.

Not sure what else to say.

Bearster said:

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Agreed.

1. One player who actually played a down for Baylor was convicted of sexual assault.
2. Baylor legal writes a letter basically saying he's innocent.
3. Baylor fires most successful FB coach in history, who happens to also be a good Christian man who loved this university

Screw the BOR

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1. That number will grow. How many accused did he continue to allow to practice? (Due process does not apply with football scholarships.)
2. It says that they are not currently aware of anything and is likely just a testament to this administration's ineptitude and naivety.
3. Great Christian man who curses out his players, curses out the officials, calls his players "bad dudes," asks IN A TEXT MESSAGE: A. after a player is accused of exposing himself to a masseuse if she's a stripper, B. talks about wanting to keep judicial affairs unaware of student misconduct, C. is primarily interested in the police "keeping quiet" after a player allegedly threatens to kill someone, etc.

This is football. I repeat, this is football. If your life is so sad that your continuous emotion over a year later about all of this is anger that the coach was fired despite horrific things happening during his tenure (whether or not he was aware), then you live a very pathetic or naive existence and I feel sorry for you.

365 said:

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Bearster said:

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Agreed.

1. One player who actually played a down for Baylor was convicted of sexual assault.
2. Baylor legal writes a letter basically saying he's innocent.
3. Baylor fires most successful FB coach in history, who happens to also be a good Christian man who loved this university

Screw the BOR

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1. That number will grow. How many accused did he continue to allow to practice? (Due process does not apply with football scholarships.)
2. It says that they are not currently aware of anything and is likely just a testament to this administration's ineptitude and naivety.
3. Great Christian man who curses out his players, curses out the officials, calls his players "bad dudes," asks IN A TEXT MESSAGE: A. after a player is accused of exposing himself to a masseuse if she's a stripper, B. talks about wanting to keep judicial affairs unaware of student misconduct, C. is primarily interested in the police "keeping quiet" after a player allegedly threatens to kill someone, etc.

This is football. I repeat, this is football. If your life is so sad that your continuous emotion over a year later about all of this is anger that the coach was fired despite horrific things happening during his tenure (whether or not he was aware), then you live a very pathetic or naive existence and I feel sorry for you.

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just to point 1---- you expect more indictments?

Duh!

365 said:

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Bearster said:

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Agreed.

1. One player who actually played a down for Baylor was convicted of sexual assault.
2. Baylor legal writes a letter basically saying he's innocent.
3. Baylor fires most successful FB coach in history, who happens to also be a good Christian man who loved this university

Screw the BOR

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1. That number will grow. How many accused did he continue to allow to practice? (Due process does not apply with football scholarships.)
2. It says that they are not currently aware of anything and is likely just a testament to this administration's ineptitude and naivety.
3. Great Christian man who curses out his players, curses out the officials, calls his players "bad dudes," asks IN A TEXT MESSAGE: A. after a player is accused of exposing himself to a masseuse if she's a stripper, B. talks about wanting to keep judicial affairs unaware of student misconduct, C. is primarily interested in the police "keeping quiet" after a player allegedly threatens to kill someone, etc.

This is football. I repeat, this is football. If your life is so sad that your continuous emotion over a year later about all of this is anger that the coach was fired despite horrific things happening during his tenure (whether or not he was aware), then you live a very pathetic or naive existence and I feel sorry for you.

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does your husband post here too?

Mr. Goodbear said:

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Almost any time a coach wins people are going to say he is dirty. People say that about Drew. Do you believe it?

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No. I don't. But Drew at least, usually (minus LaceDarius Dunn, whose "punishment" was inexcusable), places a priority on character and discipline (minus LaceDarius Dunn). He doesn't have players getting accused of these same levels of offenses. He doesn't curse out his players/officials. He actually has consistently been a significant spiritual influence on his players. He wants them to be good men.

When you have a looong list of kids accused of multiple, terrible crimes and very few of them get kicked off the team, then there's a systemic issue where discipline is completely lacking. And there is no evidence I can see that Briles was a disciplinarian. Only evidence that his primary focus was the get the best players available despite red flags and to keep them on the team, despite red flags. Bobby Bowden, Mack Brown, Tark, etc. made a career of this and would be/were torched by this same community.

The few people that were kicked off had nothing to do with Briles. Josh Gordon and the few others who were let go after getting popped for drug use were out of his hands. Once a player tests positive a certain number of times, it's out of the coach's hands. However, if a player gets accused of rape or abuse or threats or anything along those lines, it's he said/she said and the coach has plausible deniability. Art Briles, no doubt like most coaches, mastered the art of plausible deniability.

If the texts were not enough to show that Art was shady at the least, then I'm not sure what more can change people's minds.

This is not to you, but I have continually read on here more victim blaming (or, if not, regent blaming) rather than putting any actual blame AT ALL on a man who was, at best, careless and incompetent as an administrator at the Power 5 level, which is no doubt a part of his job. People on here writing these things ("media *****s," "only out for money," "liars," etc.) trivialize the real issue and, selfishly for me, they damage the reputation of the school I have a degree from.

It's fandom. I get it. No one at Penn State thinks JoPa did anything wrong. Ole Miss fans are convinced that Freeze was a scapegoat. But it's football at the end of the day and even if only one person was actually raped by a Baylor player, the across the board victim blaming/Briles martyrdom is incredibly disrespectful towards that person's painful, lifelong scar.

JusHappy2BeHere said:

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does your husband post here too?

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I love posts like this because, not only does it lack substance, originality or even an ounce of wit, but it also serves as a BIG NEON SIGN saying, "look at me, I'm so manly. I'm manly. I love chicks. I swear. I love 'em. I totally like the chicks and being with the chicks. Chicks turn me on. They do. I promise. Do you believe me?"

Bearster said:

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We all fall short. I'm assuming you cast the first stone?
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What I am still angry about is a good man who got screwed over by a bunch of idiots in leadership positions.

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I'm assuming from this that you cast the first stone only when it's someone you don't like. And I'm sure you'd have the same opinion/passion for Art coming off a 2-10 season.

One is not a good Christian man because they are from Baylor and say so (Bliss) or because you idolize them for blessing you with an 11-win season. We don't know these people. What we do know is that Art was, at the least, careless, lacking in discipline and not a good leader of men off the field. 11 wins isn't worth that to me.

This post encapsulates exactly why "You're still Baylor" was a thing. Like perfectly embodies it. My aol screen name at BU was "StupidBaylor" because of Sloan and ppl like this.

Quicksilver said:

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Should have done what Tennessee did with rape accusations. Pay out a bunch in settlements, say you're making changes and fire no one.

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If this is a joke, disgusting. If you are serious, seek help, immediately.

365 said:

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Bearster said:

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Agreed.

1. One player who actually played a down for Baylor was convicted of sexual assault.
2. Baylor legal writes a letter basically saying he's innocent.
3. Baylor fires most successful FB coach in history, who happens to also be a good Christian man who loved this university

Screw the BOR

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1. That number will grow. How many accused did he continue to allow to practice? (Due process does not apply with football scholarships.)
2. It says that they are not currently aware of anything and is likely just a testament to this administration's ineptitude and naivety.
3. Great Christian man who curses out his players, curses out the officials, calls his players "bad dudes," asks IN A TEXT MESSAGE: A. after a player is accused of exposing himself to a masseuse if she's a stripper, B. talks about wanting to keep judicial affairs unaware of student misconduct, C. is primarily interested in the police "keeping quiet" after a player allegedly threatens to kill someone, etc.

This is football. I repeat, this is football. If your life is so sad that your continuous emotion over a year later about all of this is anger that the coach was fired despite horrific things happening during his tenure (whether or not he was aware), then you live a very pathetic or naive existence and I feel sorry for you.

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Way to dis represent the facts.

Porteroso said:

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365 said:

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Bearster said:

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We all fall short. I'm assuming you cast the first stone?
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What I am still angry about is a good man who got screwed over by a bunch of idiots in leadership positions.

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I'm assuming from this that you cast the first stone only when it's someone you don't like. And I'm sure you'd have the same opinion/passion for Art coming off a 2-10 season.

One is not a good Christian man because they are from Baylor and say so (Bliss) or because you idolize them for blessing you with an 11-win season. We don't know these people. What we do know is that Art was, at the least, careless, lacking in discipline and not a good leader of men off the field. 11 wins isn't worth that to me.

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I never heard anyone say the things you say before he was fired, and i bet if he had been fired under any other circumstances, nobody would go out of their way to call him names.

He is certainly not a perfect person, and cares way too much about football, and Texas too, for that matter. But the why is understandable.

I still have friends who knew him who will tell me that he is a really good person, who cared deeply about his players, his family, and everyone in general. They said that through accusations of him covering up rape, even though they looked like idiots.

As time goes on, we find out that he is less and less guilty of this empire of rapist football that he's accused of. If he's guilty of anything other than cursing at an official (I've done that too, bet 90% of the baylor fans you know personally have too), and treating his players with undue kindness, giving them too many chances (not talking about sexual assault), then I'd just be surprised.

The way Baylor handled this, in about a decade, we'll know exactly what happened. It's clear though, that you know nothing, and are talking out of your ass. You bought into the "ruin-Briles'-life" stuff.

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k1ko said:

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365 said:

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Mr. Goodbear said:

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Almost any time a coach wins people are going to say he is dirty. People say that about Drew. Do you believe it?

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No. I don't. But Drew at least, usually (minus LaceDarius Dunn, whose "punishment" was inexcusable), places a priority on character and discipline (minus LaceDarius Dunn). He doesn't have players getting accused of these same levels of offenses. He doesn't curse out his players/officials. He actually has consistently been a significant spiritual influence on his players. He wants them to be good men.

When you have a looong list of kids accused of multiple, terrible crimes and very few of them get kicked off the team, then there's a systemic issue where discipline is completely lacking. And there is no evidence I can see that Briles was a disciplinarian. Only evidence that his primary focus was the get the best players available despite red flags and to keep them on the team, despite red flags. Bobby Bowden, Mack Brown, Tark, etc. made a career of this and would be/were torched by this same community.

The few people that were kicked off had nothing to do with Briles. Josh Gordon and the few others who were let go after getting popped for drug use were out of his hands. Once a player tests positive a certain number of times, it's out of the coach's hands. However, if a player gets accused of rape or abuse or threats or anything along those lines, it's he said/she said and the coach has plausible deniability. Art Briles, no doubt like most coaches, mastered the art of plausible deniability.

If the texts were not enough to show that Art was shady at the least, then I'm not sure what more can change people's minds.

This is not to you, but I have continually read on here more victim blaming (or, if not, regent blaming) rather than putting any actual blame AT ALL on a man who was, at best, careless and incompetent as an administrator at the Power 5 level, which is no doubt a part of his job. People on here writing these things ("media *****s," "only out for money," "liars," etc.) trivialize the real issue and, selfishly for me, they damage the reputation of the school I have a degree from.

It's fandom. I get it. No one at Penn State thinks JoPa did anything wrong. Ole Miss fans are convinced that Freeze was a scapegoat. But it's football at the end of the day and even if only one person was actually raped by a Baylor player, the across the board victim blaming/Briles martyrdom is incredibly disrespectful towards that person's painful, lifelong scar.

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Here in the united States we have a thing called innocent until proven guilty. Getting accused of "awful" things means jack ***** It's funny you don't want to refer to the facts about the amount of players convicted of anything. Thank God people like you werent alive during the founding of the Constitution.

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Yao??

Bearster said:

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Agreed.

1. One player who actually played a down for Baylor was convicted of sexual assault.
2. Baylor legal writes a letter basically saying he's innocent.
3. Baylor fires most successful FB coach in history, who happens to also be a good Christian man who loved this university

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Basically this. Like I said in the game thread, Jesus is pissed at us for this and yesterday's result was akin to the Philistines capturing the Ark of the Covenant. Except I doubt the win gives Liberty hemorrhoids.