Agreed
I'm going to say it. We shouldnt have fired Briles.
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TellMeYouLoveMe said:
it wasn't realistic to expect Briles to stay much longer. He was cutting some corners, already at 62, not as motivated at times. He really wasn't out recruiting his ass off or anything. Too many buddies on his coaching staff. The only upside to him was passing the reigns to his kid.
I was under the impression this is why we hired an Athletics Director, but people kept telling me his job was to stay out of Briles way.
Not sure what else to say.
What the heck are you talking about? CAB loves football more than anything else. He wouldve coached here til the day he died. He wouldve coached anywhere til the day he died. But now he cant even get a job. And he loves winning more than anything else. Even more than campus safety. Which is what ultimately cost him his job at BU.
Iiiiivan
Can we stop with the "Jesus loved Briles so much, He is punishing Baylor" nonsense? That's just embarrassing.
So, Baylor believes Briles did nothing wrong regarding sexual assaults, but people in this thread think otherwise. Yeah, I'm going with the General Counsel and common sense.
I assume it's not a joke. It's very clear that taking the Tennessee approach would have been the best thing for the University. Ethically, perhaps not so much, but in terms of making the best decision for the University, we should have kept Briles and staff onboard and supported them.Porteroso said:If this is a joke, disgusting. If you are serious, seek help, immediately.Quicksilver said:
Should have done what Tennessee did with rape accusations. Pay out a bunch in settlements, say you're making changes and fire no one.
And there in lies the reason people are angry, making justifications to excuse severe moral implications in the name of winning at all costs.BirelART Bear said:I assume it's not a joke. It's very clear that taking the Tennessee approach would have been the best thing for the University. Ethically, perhaps not so much, but in terms of making the best decision for the University, we should have kept Briles and staff onboard and supported them.Porteroso said:If this is a joke, disgusting. If you are serious, seek help, immediately.Quicksilver said:
Should have done what Tennessee did with rape accusations. Pay out a bunch in settlements, say you're making changes and fire no one.
You just articulated the very perception outsiders have of Baylor for Briles' tenure, and by articulating that you would've wanted it that way you confirm their narrative for them.
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College.
He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes.
I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods.
The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes.
I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods.
The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
MilliVanilli said:Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened the China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
The school had moral failings. not CAB
Ok...JusHappy2BeHere said:MilliVanilli said:Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened the China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
The school had moral failings. not CAB
okMilliVanilli said:Ok...JusHappy2BeHere said:MilliVanilli said:Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened the China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
The school had moral failings. not CAB
I just hope he's splitting that buyout money with you, you have put in too much effort to shill for him not to get something.JusHappy2BeHere said:okMilliVanilli said:Ok...JusHappy2BeHere said:MilliVanilli said:Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened the China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
The school had moral failings. not CAB
why? are you getting paid by the BOR to trash him everyday for the last year?MilliVanilli said:I just hope he's splitting that buyout money with you, you have put in too much effort to shill for him not to get something.JusHappy2BeHere said:okMilliVanilli said:Ok...JusHappy2BeHere said:MilliVanilli said:Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened the China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
The school had moral failings. not CAB
I need no payment to defend a good man who is being slandered and scapegoated.
Nope, I just live in reality and you are part of a small faction of people uncomfortable with it.JusHappy2BeHere said:why? are you getting paid by the BOR to trash him everyday for the last year?MilliVanilli said:I just hope he's splitting that buyout money with you, you have put in too much effort to shill for him not to get something.JusHappy2BeHere said:okMilliVanilli said:Ok...JusHappy2BeHere said:MilliVanilli said:Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened the China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
The school had moral failings. not CAB
I need no payment to defend a good man who is being slandered and scapegoated.
you keep saying things like that without ever providing any proof. you just swallow the party line, wipe your chin and then spit it out, wipe your chin again and repeatMilliVanilli said:Nope, I just live in reality and you are part of a small faction of people uncomfortable with it.JusHappy2BeHere said:why? are you getting paid by the BOR to trash him everyday for the last year?MilliVanilli said:I just hope he's splitting that buyout money with you, you have put in too much effort to shill for him not to get something.JusHappy2BeHere said:okMilliVanilli said:Ok...JusHappy2BeHere said:MilliVanilli said:Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened the China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
The school had moral failings. not CAB
I need no payment to defend a good man who is being slandered and scapegoated.
It's fascinating how you Cab apologists keep defending a fired coach and asking for proof he needed /deserved dismissal for mishandling of sexual assault cases and without fail you always do it by suggesting some sort of lewd sexual deviance on the part of those that defy your fantasies.JusHappy2BeHere said:you keep saying things like that without ever providing any proof. you just swallow the party line, wipe your chin and then spit it out, wipe your chin again and repeatMilliVanilli said:Nope, I just live in reality and you are part of a small faction of people uncomfortable with it.JusHappy2BeHere said:why? are you getting paid by the BOR to trash him everyday for the last year?MilliVanilli said:I just hope he's splitting that buyout money with you, you have put in too much effort to shill for him not to get something.JusHappy2BeHere said:okMilliVanilli said:Ok...JusHappy2BeHere said:MilliVanilli said:Richard Nixon was a brilliant statesman with a keen intellect that opened the China up to the world, presided over the Moon Landing, brought closure to the Vietnam War, began the first aspects of the thawing of the Cold War, and won a landslide re-election of 49 states, yet what do you know him for?JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College. He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes. I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods. The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Moral failings can kill a man's reputation, no matter how good their resume.
The school had moral failings. not CAB
I need no payment to defend a good man who is being slandered and scapegoated.
You're apparently able to justify Art's shrugging attitude toward sexual assault allegations because you're rather perverted yourself.
provide some proof of this or shut the **** up about it
Art Briles along with your ex-Athletic Director, and President needed to be FIRED for allowing/enabling too many sexual assaults against women and then not doing much after the assaults occurred. I applaud Baylor for owning up to it and doing what needed to be done. It tells me, as a parent, that the safety of the students and integrity of the University mean more than football. Some of you here think it should be the other way around and I find it disturbing, but I chalk it up to message board nonsense.
I'm sure there are members of the BOR that should be fired too, yet they still maintain their positions, but for anyone to suggest Art Briles should not have been fired is being either asinine, delusional, or both.
Sic'On
I'm sure there are members of the BOR that should be fired too, yet they still maintain their positions, but for anyone to suggest Art Briles should not have been fired is being either asinine, delusional, or both.
Sic'On
Join reality, no one owes you for not paying attention for over a year, that's a personal problem.JusHappy2BeHere said:
provide some proof of this or shut the **** up about it
If this was politics, Art Briles would show more highly than the regents. He would definitely lead more than Buddy.
Ian would lead in blame on whatever blame Briles was a party.
If you want immediate change, let the new president of Baylor know about it starting Tuesday. Strike while the iron is not.
Opportunity is knocking for better governance at Baylor.
Ian would lead in blame on whatever blame Briles was a party.
If you want immediate change, let the new president of Baylor know about it starting Tuesday. Strike while the iron is not.
Opportunity is knocking for better governance at Baylor.
so you have no proof...got it...
I knew you didn't because none has ever been provided
I knew you didn't because none has ever been provided
K.JusHappy2BeHere said:
so you have no proof...got it...
I knew you didn't because none has ever been provided
my daughter was there from 07 through 11 and she nor I ever feared for her safety.Sic'On said:
Art Briles along with your ex-Athletic Director, and President needed to be FIRED for allowing/enabling too many sexual assaults against women and then not doing much after the assaults occurred. I applaud Baylor for owning up to it and doing what needed to be done. It tells me, as a parent, that the safety of the students and integrity of the University mean more than football. Some of you here think it should be the other way around and I find it disturbing, but I chalk it up to message board nonsense.
I'm sure there are members of the BOR that should be fired too, yet they still maintain their positions, but for anyone to suggest Art Briles should not have been fired is being either asinine, delusional, or both.
Sic'On
I'm glad, but from the way you speak to people here, she was safe in spite of your wisdom.JusHappy2BeHere said:my daughter was there from 07 through 11 and she nor I ever feared for her safety.Sic'On said:
Art Briles along with your ex-Athletic Director, and President needed to be FIRED for allowing/enabling too many sexual assaults against women and then not doing much after the assaults occurred. I applaud Baylor for owning up to it and doing what needed to be done. It tells me, as a parent, that the safety of the students and integrity of the University mean more than football. Some of you here think it should be the other way around and I find it disturbing, but I chalk it up to message board nonsense.
I'm sure there are members of the BOR that should be fired too, yet they still maintain their positions, but for anyone to suggest Art Briles should not have been fired is being either asinine, delusional, or both.
Sic'On
Fact is a few bad apples ruined the former program, but since the ring leader didn't hold them accountable enough he's culpable.
JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College.
He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes.
I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods.
The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Excellent post
Lulz, the Art Briles fan club is convening.DAC said:JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College.
He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes.
I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods.
The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Excellent post
MilliVanilli said:Lulz, the Art Briles fan club is convening.DAC said:JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College.
He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes.
I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods.
The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Excellent post
Did you have to edit your post two times to spell that big word correctly?
over 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with athletes and Baylor has ignored that completely. They'd rather pretend as you would that it was all a rouge, win at all costs football coach, and the evidence does not support that.MilliVanilli said:I'm glad, but from the way you speak to people here, she was safe in spite of your wisdom.JusHappy2BeHere said:my daughter was there from 07 through 11 and she nor I ever feared for her safety.Sic'On said:
Art Briles along with your ex-Athletic Director, and President needed to be FIRED for allowing/enabling too many sexual assaults against women and then not doing much after the assaults occurred. I applaud Baylor for owning up to it and doing what needed to be done. It tells me, as a parent, that the safety of the students and integrity of the University mean more than football. Some of you here think it should be the other way around and I find it disturbing, but I chalk it up to message board nonsense.
I'm sure there are members of the BOR that should be fired too, yet they still maintain their positions, but for anyone to suggest Art Briles should not have been fired is being either asinine, delusional, or both.
Sic'On
Fact is a few bad apples ruined the former program, but since the ring leader didn't hold them accountable enough he's culpable.
so Milly says I'm a pervert and you say I'm a lousy parent... I guess the moderation of these boards is more like Baylorfans where unwarranted personal attacks are okey dokey
Spell check changes your homeboy's name to Biles or Brides, thanks for being pedantic though, show's you care about his name.DAC said:MilliVanilli said:Lulz, the Art Briles fan club is convening.DAC said:JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College.
He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes.
I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods.
The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Excellent post
Did you have to edit your post two times to spell that big word correctly?
MilliVanilli said:Spell check changes your homeboy's name to Biles or Brides, thanks for being pedantic though, show's you care about his name.DAC said:MilliVanilli said:Lulz, the Art Briles fan club is convening.DAC said:JusHappy2BeHere said:
Art Briles is a good and honorable man, an incredibly talented football coach who is unbelievably competitive, a hard working man who has helped literally thousands of young men over his long career, while winning at the highest level in High School and College.
He was perhaps naive about the political factions within what is obviously a very divided university. He may have had a blind spot to the faults of some of his players but not to hide wrongdoing but to help the kid... There is nothing about his life that would lead me to believe that he would cover up criminal activity or put the female students of Baylor at risk. I believe he was, like every other employee on campus caught in a dysfunctional system with no training and no clear set of guidelines on how to deal with this campus wide problem...remember 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with Athletes.
I believe that the entire narrative of bullying victims and protecting athletes is mythology. I've never seen any proof of this, and I feel pretty sure that if there was any it would have been out by now. I think the board needed a big name to take the fall and so they have done everything possible publicly to discredit him while providing no evidence of actual wrongdoing. What they have provided is circumstantial at best and at worst flat out falsehoods.
The Board has done our entire school a huge disservice by not doing the right thing from the beginning. Coming clean from the start that this was an Institutional problem and that moving forward every employee on campus would be trained in exactly how to deal with student complaints of assault. That girls would no longer be threatened by RR with expulsion if the investigation was to turn up any drinking or consensual sex they might have been having... They could have done all of this and actually fixed the problems with the ADMINISTRATION culture without destroying a good man and a top 5 national program.
Excellent post
Did you have to edit your post two times to spell that big word correctly?
You're welcome .
This coming from a man who accuses other people of performing fellatio on regents.JusHappy2BeHere said:over 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with athletes and Baylor has ignored that completely. They'd rather pretend as you would that it was all a rouge, win at all costs football coach, and the evidence does not support that.MilliVanilli said:I'm glad, but from the way you speak to people here, she was safe in spite of your wisdom.JusHappy2BeHere said:my daughter was there from 07 through 11 and she nor I ever feared for her safety.Sic'On said:
Art Briles along with your ex-Athletic Director, and President needed to be FIRED for allowing/enabling too many sexual assaults against women and then not doing much after the assaults occurred. I applaud Baylor for owning up to it and doing what needed to be done. It tells me, as a parent, that the safety of the students and integrity of the University mean more than football. Some of you here think it should be the other way around and I find it disturbing, but I chalk it up to message board nonsense.
I'm sure there are members of the BOR that should be fired too, yet they still maintain their positions, but for anyone to suggest Art Briles should not have been fired is being either asinine, delusional, or both.
Sic'On
Fact is a few bad apples ruined the former program, but since the ring leader didn't hold them accountable enough he's culpable.
so Milly says I'm a pervert and you say I'm a lousy parent... I guess the moderation of these boards is more like Baylorfans where unwarranted personal attacks are okey dokey
You really don't seem to comprehend that Art isn't being held accountable for all allegations across campus, just his transgressions towards the ones in his program, and one mishandling alone is a terminable offense.
I'm glad you think other men's daughters are statistics.
"a good Christian man"...what does that even mean?!!Two words - Joel Osteen
BearPa
which are?MilliVanilli said:This coming from a man who accuses other people of performing fellatio on regents.JusHappy2BeHere said:over 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with athletes and Baylor has ignored that completely. They'd rather pretend as you would that it was all a rouge, win at all costs football coach, and the evidence does not support that.MilliVanilli said:I'm glad, but from the way you speak to people here, she was safe in spite of your wisdom.JusHappy2BeHere said:my daughter was there from 07 through 11 and she nor I ever feared for her safety.Sic'On said:
Art Briles along with your ex-Athletic Director, and President needed to be FIRED for allowing/enabling too many sexual assaults against women and then not doing much after the assaults occurred. I applaud Baylor for owning up to it and doing what needed to be done. It tells me, as a parent, that the safety of the students and integrity of the University mean more than football. Some of you here think it should be the other way around and I find it disturbing, but I chalk it up to message board nonsense.
I'm sure there are members of the BOR that should be fired too, yet they still maintain their positions, but for anyone to suggest Art Briles should not have been fired is being either asinine, delusional, or both.
Sic'On
Fact is a few bad apples ruined the former program, but since the ring leader didn't hold them accountable enough he's culpable.
so Milly says I'm a pervert and you say I'm a lousy parent... I guess the moderation of these boards is more like Baylorfans where unwarranted personal attacks are okey dokey
You really don't seem to comprehend that Art isn't being held accountable for all allegations across campus, just his transgressions towards the ones in his program, and one mishandling alone is a terminable offense.
I'm glad you think other men's daughters are statistics.
No one owes you a google search of the last year, if you won't do it yourself then you have no one but yourself to blame for your ignorance.JusHappy2BeHere said:which are?MilliVanilli said:This coming from a man who accuses other people of performing fellatio on regents.JusHappy2BeHere said:over 90% of alleged assaults had nothing to do with athletes and Baylor has ignored that completely. They'd rather pretend as you would that it was all a rouge, win at all costs football coach, and the evidence does not support that.MilliVanilli said:I'm glad, but from the way you speak to people here, she was safe in spite of your wisdom.JusHappy2BeHere said:my daughter was there from 07 through 11 and she nor I ever feared for her safety.Sic'On said:
Art Briles along with your ex-Athletic Director, and President needed to be FIRED for allowing/enabling too many sexual assaults against women and then not doing much after the assaults occurred. I applaud Baylor for owning up to it and doing what needed to be done. It tells me, as a parent, that the safety of the students and integrity of the University mean more than football. Some of you here think it should be the other way around and I find it disturbing, but I chalk it up to message board nonsense.
I'm sure there are members of the BOR that should be fired too, yet they still maintain their positions, but for anyone to suggest Art Briles should not have been fired is being either asinine, delusional, or both.
Sic'On
Fact is a few bad apples ruined the former program, but since the ring leader didn't hold them accountable enough he's culpable.
so Milly says I'm a pervert and you say I'm a lousy parent... I guess the moderation of these boards is more like Baylorfans where unwarranted personal attacks are okey dokey
You really don't seem to comprehend that Art isn't being held accountable for all allegations across campus, just his transgressions towards the ones in his program, and one mishandling alone is a terminable offense.
I'm glad you think other men's daughters are statistics.
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