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Grant Teaff: I Think Mack Rhoades Made the Right Decision & I Stand Behind Him

November 28, 2023
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Grant Teaff HOF College Football Coach joins 365 Sports to discuss his thoughts on the changing landscape of college football, his thought on Baylor’s decision to bring back Dave Aranda, and more.

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Grant Teaff: I Think Mack Rhoades Made the Right Decision & I Stand Behind Him

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7:42a, 11/30/23
Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
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In reply to Desperado718 • 8:24a, 11/30/23
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Maybe Grant. I can call him that since I know him, is thinking I had a losing record 3 it the 4 years after the 74 Cotten bowl and went 3-8 in 78 and yet turned it around and went to Peach bowl in 79 and Cotten bowl in 80, plus the Cody Carlson years of 84-86

Good thing chat rooms and social media wasn't around in 78, they would have wanted him gone
Did the AD at the time give Teaff an almost DECADE-LONG extension after winning that title in '74 worth roughly 25 million dollars?

And for the record, Teaff was 7-3-1 in '76. He was competitive in most games with a much more difficult schedule than the creampuffs we played this year. 1978 he beat two Top 12 teams and had the toughest non conference schedule I've ever seen, nearly winning at UGA, Ohio State and Kentucky. There was a reason for some optimism. Not the case with Dave, Mack and Linda.

Meanwhile, we have lost our last nine home games against FBS opponents. We played an entire game against a mediocre TCU team without even forcing one single punt. Complete and utter futility.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 9:36a, 11/30/23
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ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Come on, Teaff's mark was with AFCA and longevity, not winning. To put him in the same breath with the HOF coaches that are there for winning is ridiculous. He was an average coach, great union guy to help the coaching profession and big Christian. He is not in same breath with Bryant, Bowden, Spurrier, Switzer, Holz and other contemporaries for winning. Nobody feared facing Grant Teaff.
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In reply to robby44 • 9:37a, 11/30/23
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Big12Bear said:
Baylor PR is pulling out all the stops.

They also got Scott Drew to open his press conference prior to the Nicholls game talking about Aranda and patience.

Sad
He stood gutlessly silent when Briles future was on the line unlike Mulky who rallied behind our athletics.
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9:44a, 11/30/23
I have said I was ready to let Aranda go, shocked we didn't, but I don't understand kicking the same dog over and over for the next year.

It's done, we can't change it, move on. Let's see who the new OC is.

I was simply pointing out social media with 90% of the posters knowing nothing about football, wasn't something he had to deal with. Rave on.

I'm choosing to be hopeful. Neal Brown turned it around, I hope Aranda does since I have really no other option.
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In reply to Desperado718 • 10:08a, 11/30/23
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I have said I was ready to let Aranda go, shocked we didn't, but I don't understand kicking the same dog over and over for the next year.

It's done, we can't change it, move on. Let's see who the new OC is.

I was simply pointing out social media with 90% of the posters knowing nothing about football, wasn't something he had to deal with. Rave on.

I'm choosing to be hopeful. Neal Brown turned it around, I hope Aranda does since I have really no other option.


What is the having to know football to have an opinion? That fans tickets cost the same as yours. Their opinion is just as valid as some HS coach's. This BS that only "those that know " can comment or taken serious is ridiculous. Someone that doesn't like smothering D and running game, but loves zone read or air raid their opinion is just as valid as a HOF coach or the know it alls on this site.
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In reply to PartyBear • 10:20a, 11/30/23
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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived and after he left. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 10:30a, 11/30/23
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.
Let's not use a pluralization and lump the entire fan base into the idiot category when one guy says something you disagree with.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 10:33a, 11/30/23
FLBear5630 said:
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Come on, Teaff's mark was with AFCA and longevity, not winning. To put him in the same breath with the HOF coaches that are there for winning is ridiculous. He was an average coach, great union guy to help the coaching profession and big Christian. He is not in same breath with Bryant, Bowden, Spurrier, Switzer, Holz and other contemporaries for winning. Nobody feared facing Grant Teaff.
You just listed a bunch of blue blood coaches -- none of which would have had the records they did at Baylor (or anywhere else without the built-in advantages their universities provided them). Look at Baylor's record the five years before (7-43) and 15 years after (54-116) Grant Teaff. No average coach could have done what he did in Waco.
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In reply to Aliceinbubbleland • 10:37a, 11/30/23
Aliceinbubbleland said:
robby44 said:
Big12Bear said:
Baylor PR is pulling out all the stops.

They also got Scott Drew to open his press conference prior to the Nicholls game talking about Aranda and patience.

Sad
He stood gutlessly silent when Briles future was on the line unlike Mulky who rallied behind our athletics.
Well, to be fair do you speak up for a guy who (at that time) had 1 guy convicted of multiple rapes and 2 more recently accused? Throw in the fact that at least one guy on the BOR was essentially telling lies and sending stories to the WSJ - what would you say? How do you know what the truth is or isn't?
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In reply to bear2be2 • 10:39a, 11/30/23
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PartyBear said:
Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better in win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
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In reply to robby44 • 10:52a, 11/30/23
robby44 said:
bear2be2 said:
PartyBear said:
Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 11:40a, 11/30/23
bear2be2 said:
robby44 said:
bear2be2 said:
PartyBear said:
Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.

I was the host to a highly desirable recruit. Dude told me an Aggie alum offered him $500 (that was good money on '85) to not take his trip to Baylor. He came but there was another top recruit who didn't show. Went to the airport dude wasn't on the plane. Went back to Teaff and told him dude didn't show up. Teaff said "well we don't get Blue Chips but we've got plenty of potato chips"

A&M bought 2 back to back conference championships
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In reply to bear2be2 • 12:02p, 11/30/23
bear2be2 said:
PartyBear said:
Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived and after he left. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.


This is the accurate Teaff take. His record was mediocre, but his performance relative to his situation wasn't. Without Teaff we're not in the Big 12 in 1996.
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In reply to robby44 • 12:04p, 11/30/23
robby44 said:
bear2be2 said:
robby44 said:
bear2be2 said:
PartyBear said:
Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.

I was the host to a highly desirable recruit. Dude told me an Aggie alum offered him $500 (that was good money on '85) to not take his trip to Baylor. He came but there was another top recruit who didn't show. Went to the airport dude wasn't on the plane. Went back to Teaff and told him dude didn't show up. Teaff said "well we don't get Blue Chips but we've got plenty of potato chips"

A&M bought 2 back to back conference championships


They also bought more probation and should've bought the death penalty.
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bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards
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ImwithBU said:
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards
What it says is Baylor has historically been a very difficult place to win, and Teaff won at a level that almost no one else in program history achieved. You can discount that if you'd like, and hold to foolish opinions based on that belief. But Grant Teaff was universally respected by his contemporaries and peers for a reason.

Baylor had 14 winning seasons from 1964 to 2009 -- a 45-year span that covers most of the modern era. Teaff was directly responsible for 12 of those and the other two directly followed his tenure and were achieved off the foundation he left.

To ignore the fact that Baylor wasn't just bad but absolutely dreadful before and after Teaff's stint and then call him an average coach based on a tenure that featured two conference titles and four top-15 finishes is certainly a choice. As is posting a raw win-loss record that not only ignores the facts above but also that Teaff's nonconference schedules/bowl appearances featured games against Georgia (x4), Missouri (x4), Miami, Oklahoma (x4), Pittsburgh, Colorado (x4), Oklahoma State (x2), Penn State, Ole Miss, Auburn (x2), Michigan, Illinois, Kentucky (x2), Nebraska (x2), Air Force, Ohio State (x2), Alabama (x2), Army, Clemson, BYU (x2), USC (x2), LSU, Kansas (x2), Iowa State, Arizona State, Indiana and Arizona.

Not all of our coaches got to beat up on Wofford, Buffalo and Louisiana-Monroe and pretend those three wins meant something.
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ImwithBU said:
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

His presence and influence of men who played for him also goes into it and the respect he received. The reason so many consider him to be great was the man he was off the field and the number of solid MEN he made from boys who came to Waco
No one said he was an all time great coach. He was and is great man. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU. The weakest team we played was La Tech
For some of you younger guys Teaff turned down the USC job in 1986.
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In reply to robby44 • 7:28p, 11/30/23
robby44 said:
ImwithBU said:
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU.
You know what is funny is that I think we should go the opposite direction and play 8 conference games, giving us 4 OOC cupcakes. We need to level the scheduling playing field vs. the SEC and build up the myth that the Big 12 is the best. Perhaps eventually (and enough bag men), we can get there.
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Whatever Grant Teaff says is good enough for me.
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robby44 said:
ImwithBU said:
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

His presence and influence of men who played for him also goes into it and the respect he received. The reason so many consider him to be great was the man he was off the field and the number of solid MEN he made from boys who came to Waco
No one said he was an all time great coach. He was and is great man. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU. The weakest team we played was La Tech
For some of you younger guys Teaff turned down the USC job in 1986.

Sounds very Person over Playerish to me... but keep trying. So now we handing out participation awards. He coached 21 years, he should play some top teams during that time. Did he win the majority of those games or just get a pat on the back for trying. Im done commenting on this, your not going to change my opinion no matter how "foolish and idiotic" I am
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ImwithBU said:
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

His presence and influence of men who played for him also goes into it and the respect he received. The reason so many consider him to be great was the man he was off the field and the number of solid MEN he made from boys who came to Waco
No one said he was an all time great coach. He was and is great man. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU. The weakest team we played was La Tech
For some of you younger guys Teaff turned down the USC job in 1986.

Sounds very Person over Playerish to me... but keep trying. So now we handing out participation awards. He coached 21 years, he should play some top teams during that time. Did he win the majority of those games or just get a pat on the back for trying. Im done commenting on this, your not going to change my opinion no matter how "foolish and idiotic" I am

It wasn't me who called you idiotic and foolish. I don't even know who you are. Not trying to change your mind I'm just putting facts out here for some who may not know

Should play some top teams? My point was back then we played 3 real non conference teams not FCS teams.
Yeah whatever. Person over player my ass. That didn't apply to any team I played on
Well during my time playing '82-'86 we did play and beat a number of Top ranked teams we beat #5 Arkansas, eventual national champion BYU, #6 UT, #3 USC, #12 LSU, #11 SMU, #16 Arkansas
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In reply to robby44 • 7:11a, 12/1/23
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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better in win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
As usual Robby speaks the truth due to experiences only a very select few can claim. He was there. He excelled. He is smart. He is honest.

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In reply to robby44 • 7:20a, 12/1/23
robby44 said:
ImwithBU said:
robby44 said:
ImwithBU said:
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

His presence and influence of men who played for him also goes into it and the respect he received. The reason so many consider him to be great was the man he was off the field and the number of solid MEN he made from boys who came to Waco
No one said he was an all time great coach. He was and is great man. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU. The weakest team we played was La Tech
For some of you younger guys Teaff turned down the USC job in 1986.

Sounds very Person over Playerish to me... but keep trying. So now we handing out participation awards. He coached 21 years, he should play some top teams during that time. Did he win the majority of those games or just get a pat on the back for trying. Im done commenting on this, your not going to change my opinion no matter how "foolish and idiotic" I am

It wasn't me who called you idiotic and foolish. I don't even know who you are. Not trying to change your mind I'm just putting facts out here for some who may not know

Should play some top teams? My point was back then we played 3 real non conference teams not FCS teams.
Yeah whatever. Person over player my ass. That didn't apply to any team I played on
Well during my time playing '82-'86 we did play and beat a number of Top ranked teams we beat #5 Arkansas, eventual national champion BYU, #6 UT, #3 USC, #12 LSU, #11 SMU, #16 Arkansas
Robby played on a couple of the best Baylor teams ever fielded. Yes, better than your savior's offense only teams. Why? Because Robby's teams were complete - they played offense, defense, special teams & they were disciplined to top it all off.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 1:17p, 12/1/23
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robby44 said:
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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.
You are average long enough, you are average. Campbell and Teaff may have good admin skills, but they had middle of the road records. You are what your record says you are. Teaff is in HOF because of his AFCA work and a middling BU record. Teaff did alot of off the field stuff that got him in the HOF. Campbell is no HOF coach, even if he stays at ISU for 30 years and has a slightly higher than .500 record.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 1:32p, 12/1/23
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bear2be2 said:
robby44 said:
bear2be2 said:
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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.
You are average long enough, you are average. Campbell and Teaff may have good admin skills, but they had middle of the road records. You are what your record says you are. Teaff is in HOF because of his AFCA work and a middling BU record. Teaff did alot of off the field stuff that got him in the HOF. Campbell is no HOF coach, even if he stays at ISU for 30 years and has a slightly higher than .500 record.
That wasn't average for the time. Young fans have trouble understanding how much easier it is to pad win totals now than it was then. A 6-5 season in those days was a hell of a lot more impressive than a 6-6 season now. You had to beat real teams to earn a winning record back then. Now you can just take advantage of three gimme noncon games and beat the dregs of your league and act like you accomplished something.

Grant Teaff had three- and four-win teams that would have easily reached bowl games in modern college football.
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In reply to bear2be2 • 1:45p, 12/1/23
bear2be2 said:
FLBear5630 said:
bear2be2 said:
robby44 said:
bear2be2 said:
PartyBear said:
Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.
You are average long enough, you are average. Campbell and Teaff may have good admin skills, but they had middle of the road records. You are what your record says you are. Teaff is in HOF because of his AFCA work and a middling BU record. Teaff did alot of off the field stuff that got him in the HOF. Campbell is no HOF coach, even if he stays at ISU for 30 years and has a slightly higher than .500 record.
That wasn't average for the time. Young fans have trouble understanding how much easier it is to pad win totals now than it was then. A 6-5 season in those days was a hell of a lot more impressive than a 6-6 season now. You had to beat real teams to earn a winning record back then. Now you can just take advantage of three gimme noncon games and beat the dregs of your league and act like you accomplished something.

Grant Teaff had three- and four-win teams that would have easily reached bowl games in modern college football.

Yep
Those 3 non conference games were no joke.
USC and Georgia on a nonconference in the same year? Brutal
The weakest teams we played in my 4 years were La Tech and probably New Mexico
I wished we could have padded our schedule with 3 soft teams like they do nowadays
Yes Teaff had an average record but many don't have a clue the amount of cheating and lack of resources he had to put up with.
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FLBear5630 said:
bear2be2 said:
robby44 said:
bear2be2 said:
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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.
You are average long enough, you are average. Campbell and Teaff may have good admin skills, but they had middle of the road records. You are what your record says you are. Teaff is in HOF because of his AFCA work and a middling BU record. Teaff did alot of off the field stuff that got him in the HOF. Campbell is no HOF coach, even if he stays at ISU for 30 years and has a slightly higher than .500 record.
That wasn't average for the time. Young fans have trouble understanding how much easier it is to pad win totals now than it was then. A 6-5 season in those days was a hell of a lot more impressive than a 6-6 season now. You had to beat real teams to earn a winning record back then. Now you can just take advantage of three gimme noncon games and beat the dregs of your league and act like you accomplished something.

Grant Teaff had three- and four-win teams that would have easily reached bowl games in modern college football.
I think where we diverge is that Teaff was a special coach, a HOF coach based on his coaching acumen. He and Matt Campbell are good comparisons. Campbell is no HOF coach, good coach. Sure. Special? No way. Teaff was similar, good coach. No doubt. HOF based on his teams? No way. Add in the off the field with the AFCA and the FCA, now he is in the special category. He did a ton for the Coaching profession and football that made him special.
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bear2be2 said:
FLBear5630 said:
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bear2be2 said:
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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better and win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU
Teaff was to Baylor what Matt Campbell currently is to Iowa State. Only a fool would call Matt Campbell an average football coach or suggest Iowa State would be better off moving on from him.
You are average long enough, you are average. Campbell and Teaff may have good admin skills, but they had middle of the road records. You are what your record says you are. Teaff is in HOF because of his AFCA work and a middling BU record. Teaff did alot of off the field stuff that got him in the HOF. Campbell is no HOF coach, even if he stays at ISU for 30 years and has a slightly higher than .500 record.
That wasn't average for the time. Young fans have trouble understanding how much easier it is to pad win totals now than it was then. A 6-5 season in those days was a hell of a lot more impressive than a 6-6 season now. You had to beat real teams to earn a winning record back then. Now you can just take advantage of three gimme noncon games and beat the dregs of your league and act like you accomplished something.

Grant Teaff had three- and four-win teams that would have easily reached bowl games in modern college football.
I think where we diverge is that Teaff was a special coach, a HOF coach based on his coaching acumen. He and Matt Campbell are good comparisons. Campbell is no HOF coach, good coach. Sure. Special? No way. Teaff was similar, good coach. No doubt. HOF based on his teams? No way. Add in the off the field with the AFCA and the FCA, now he is in the special category. He did a ton for the Coaching profession and football that made him special.
Matt Campbell is already the greatest coach in the history of a university that has been playing football for 124 years. Whether you think he -- or Grant Teaff, for that matter -- is special is irrelevant. Those men's peers and contemporaries, most of whom coached or rooted for teams at far easier places to win, will tell you how good they are/were at their jobs.

Ask those Grant Teaff coached and coached against if he was average. Same with Matt Campbell.
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bear2be2 said:
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Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Come on, Teaff's mark was with AFCA and longevity, not winning. To put him in the same breath with the HOF coaches that are there for winning is ridiculous. He was an average coach, great union guy to help the coaching profession and big Christian. He is not in same breath with Bryant, Bowden, Spurrier, Switzer, Holz and other contemporaries for winning. Nobody feared facing Grant Teaff.


Teams did fear Teaff
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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived and after he left. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.


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In reply to robby44 • 7:43a, 12/3/23
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bear2be2 said:
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Teaff would not be given beyond 5 years anywhere this day and age.

I need to preface this before anyone goes all "you are an Aranda defender" but Aranda's tenure thus far has been and Reedy's tenure was an abbreviated version somewhat of that 20 years. One great season every 5 years on average and 4 years of a mixture of mediocre and bad on average. Before anyone goes beserk and completely misunderstands. I'm again saying Teaff woukd not last anywhere for more than 5 years with his Baylor record in the modern world. This is not I repeat not some proposition that Aranda should get 20 years before anyone attempts to spin it that way.

Furthermore Teaff was in on the Briles firing and blowing things up as some sort of advisor as I recall. He did a couple of years later say he was mislead about a Briles or something like that. But because of all of that his endorsement of Rhoades decision does nothing for me.
You could add an average of two wins to every Teaff record and a bunch of additional bowl appearances if he was coaching today, because you'd be tacking on a 12th cupcake game and replacing nonconference games against Georgia and USC with a bunch of intentionally weak garbage.

Teaff also wouldn't be coaching every game of his career with a hand tied behind his back due to abysmal facilities and support.

There is a fundamental lack of understanding by young Baylor fans what Teaff actually did at Baylor, which was freaking atrocious before he arrived. His Baylor tenure was very similar to Mark Stoops' at Kentucky or Lance Leopold's at Kansas. All those men either are or were excellent football coaches.

Agree. If some of the younger guys had seen the ratchet facilities Teaff had to work with your opinion of him would be way different.
Our facilities were so sad sometimes we wouldn't take a recruit to the stadium until it was time for him to meet with Teaff and his position coach.
On my recruiting trip I never saw the BU "weight room"
Teaff with proper facilities probably would have been much better in win loss column
If he had turned a blind eye to things under table he would have had several difference makers that got money whipped by aggy and SMU


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In reply to ImwithBU • 7:48a, 12/3/23
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bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards


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In reply to ImwithBU • 7:59a, 12/3/23
ImwithBU said:
robby44 said:
ImwithBU said:
bear2be2 said:
ImwithBU said:
Average at best coach commenting on keeping a terrible coach. Yippeee
"Average at best coach" in the National Football Hall of Fame.

Baylor fans are idiots.


Longevity award. Coaches 30 years. record of 170-150-8. 21 years at Baylor 128 wins total. Amazing 6 wins a season average. Pretty much sums it up. Maybe give just above average. All this says is Baylor has a had a long line of ****ty coaches and ****ty football. Grant Teaff maybe a great guy but let's not act like he is some all time great. Just great by Baylor standards

His presence and influence of men who played for him also goes into it and the respect he received. The reason so many consider him to be great was the man he was off the field and the number of solid MEN he made from boys who came to Waco
No one said he was an all time great coach. He was and is great man. Also take into consideration we didn't play bull**** 3 team non conference games like LIU and Texas State. Back then our non conference games were Ohio State, OU. Georgia, USC. BYU. The weakest team we played was La Tech
For some of you younger guys Teaff turned down the USC job in 1986.

Sounds very Person over Playerish to me... but keep trying. So now we handing out participation awards. He coached 21 years, he should play some top teams during that time. Did he win the majority of those games or just get a pat on the back for trying. Im done commenting on this, your not going to change my opinion no matter how "foolish and idiotic" I am


How old are you? Maybe you should read some of Teaff's books. Do you realize that before TV money, the SWC was the toughest football in the nation. Also in the 80's Baylor was not paying players like others. Finally, Baylor may not even have a football program now if not for Teaff. Even my HS coach in Arkansas coach raved about him in the 70's. Teaff did a lot and did not leave Baylor when he could of gone elsewhere.
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