Clemson joining FSU in lawsuit against ACC to leave conference

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boognish_bear
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This is all inevitable....but it's such a mess. Hate that there is no chance college football ever goes back to how it was for more than a hundred years.

gobears20
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boognish_bear
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I am no legal expert… but I don't know what grounds they would have to claim they don't owe the exit fee

boognish_bear
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Hope they aren't able to get out of paying

Bear2014
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big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
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PartyBear
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I thought they had filed something like this around the first of the year. But perhaps I misunderstood.
BearFan33
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What a mess of dysfunction. If anyone had any doubts they plan to leave, there you go.

I think it survives but the surviving ACC will be the weakest of the P4 when the dust settles.
boognish_bear
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Well.... imagine that

Aberzombie1892
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Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.
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Aberzombie1892 said:

Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.

Absolutely


Plus we forget how many dead weight schools there are in the Big 10

Purdue, Indiana, northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota (even Iowa & Nebraska now)

Is anyone really clamoring to take these schools?
Bear2014
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boognish_bear said:


i'd happily take both virginia schools. That would create a great pod for our friends up north
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Bear2014
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boognish_bear said:


damn. i dont like this. i dont like this at all. I want Baylor to be part of the premier league and not be left behind, but i'm afraid thats whats quickly going to happen
Johnny Bear
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Redbrickbear said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.

Absolutely


Plus we forget how many dead weight schools there are in the Big 10

Purdue, Indiana, northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota (even Iowa & Nebraska now)

Is anyone really clamoring to take these schools?

While I don't think anybody is "clamoring" I'm sure the Big 12 would happily take Nebraska back and probably Iowa too, if there was a chance to do so given the large and loyal fan bases both have (especially Nebraska).
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Bear2014 said:

boognish_bear said:


damn. i dont like this. i dont like this at all. I want Baylor to be part of the premier league and not be left behind, but i'm afraid thats whats quickly going to happen
And compete with schools that are much larger than us and have X times the resources and alumni? I would rather compete with our peers than perennially be in the bottom half of the conference. I did not enjoy the early years of the Big XII. That is what it would be like. Someone needs to tell me why that would not be the case. I'll listen.
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BearFan33 said:

What a mess of dysfunction. If anyone had any doubts they plan to leave, there you go.

I think it survives but the surviving ACC will be the weakest of the P4 when the dust settles.
The ACC may need Washington State and Oregon State at some point to stay above water. I'm sure that's what those two universities are hoping for.
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blackie said:

Bear2014 said:

boognish_bear said:


damn. i dont like this. i dont like this at all. I want Baylor to be part of the premier league and not be left behind, but i'm afraid thats whats quickly going to happen
And compete with schools that are much larger than us and have X times the resources and alumni? I would rather compete with our peers than perennially be in the bottom half of the conference. I did not enjoy the early years of the Big XII. That is what it would be like. Someone needs to tell me why that would not be the case. I'll listen.
people say that, but our alumni have deep pockets. I am quite confident that we can go toe to toe with any university in terms of money and resources. We just dont seem organized in that regard. i really hate that excuse because its just not true.

Its about the excitement. Whats more exciting- Baylor Vs Texas a&m or Baylor vs UNT? I think the majority of fans would prefer the first option. Theres no reason we cant compete with the best in my opinion, so why not hold ourselves to that standard?
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Bear2014 said:

boognish_bear said:


damn. i dont like this. i dont like this at all. I want Baylor to be part of the premier league and not be left behind, but i'm afraid thats whats quickly going to happen


You're a long time late to the party, that has already happened.
Bear2014
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Bear2014 said:

boognish_bear said:


damn. i dont like this. i dont like this at all. I want Baylor to be part of the premier league and not be left behind, but i'm afraid thats whats quickly going to happen


You're a long time late to the party, that has already happened.
if the suggested 24 college roster per SEC and BIG, there is still a chance.. albeit a small one. BIG wont touch us for being small and private. At least culturally, we fit in the SEC. But yes, i see your realistic point
thales
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having dealt with contract law for quite a few years, it appears their lawsuit is without merit

based on the merits, the lawsuit should get thrown out on its ear

however, i have also seen judges let emotion dictate their decision, so clemson has a chance
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Redbrickbear said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.

Absolutely


Plus we forget how many dead weight schools there are in the Big 10

Purdue, Indiana, northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota (even Iowa & Nebraska now)

Is anyone really clamoring to take these schools?
It's a bit complicated, as each program is not expected to meet the same set of requirements since media markets play a large role in the value of some programs. For example, Rutgers is in the #1 media market metropolitan area (NYC), Northwestern is in the #3 (Chicago), Maryland is in the #9 (DC), Minnesota is in the #15 (Minneapolis), etc.; and it's clear that there is value in having teams in major markets as evidenced by the NFL having two teams in Los Angeles and two teams in New York city.

Separately, the Big 12/ACC would kill for every single one of those schools - even Purdue. This is where we are.
Bear2014
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Aberzombie1892 said:

Redbrickbear said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.

Absolutely


Plus we forget how many dead weight schools there are in the Big 10

Purdue, Indiana, northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota (even Iowa & Nebraska now)

Is anyone really clamoring to take these schools?
It's a bit complicated, as each program is not expected to meet the same set of requirements since media markets play a large role in the value of some programs. For example, Rutgers is in the #1 media market metropolitan area (NYC), Northwestern is in the #3 (Chicago), Maryland is in the #9 (DC), Minnesota is in the #15 (Minneapolis), etc.; and it's clear that there is value in having teams in major markets as evidenced by the NFL having two teams in Los Angeles and two teams in New York city.

Separately, the Big 12/ACC would kill for every single one of those schools - even Purdue. This is where we are.
this was the big reason for conference realignment in 2010. But in the days of streaming, the market doesnt necessarily matter. Its all about the number of eyes balls that watch the game. Maybe there are more casual watchers in minneapolis than lawrence or gainesville, but streaming takes the isolated market component out of the equation. At least, thats what i understood.

both indiana and purdue would be screwed. If you are only looking at the market schools are in.. theyre not it. nor is michigan state or iowa or nebraska.
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thales said:

having dealt with contract law for quite a few years, it appears their lawsuit is without merit

based on the merits, the lawsuit should get thrown out on its ear

however, i have also seen judges let emotion dictate their decision, so clemson has a chance
The suit was filed in Pickens County, that's where Clemson is located.

Now that's what you call a home field advantage. I'll bet the judge is a Clemson grad.

Expect a favorable outcome at the lower level.
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Bear2014 said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

Redbrickbear said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.

Absolutely


Plus we forget how many dead weight schools there are in the Big 10

Purdue, Indiana, northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota (even Iowa & Nebraska now)

Is anyone really clamoring to take these schools?
It's a bit complicated, as each program is not expected to meet the same set of requirements since media markets play a large role in the value of some programs. For example, Rutgers is in the #1 media market metropolitan area (NYC), Northwestern is in the #3 (Chicago), Maryland is in the #9 (DC), Minnesota is in the #15 (Minneapolis), etc.; and it's clear that there is value in having teams in major markets as evidenced by the NFL having two teams in Los Angeles and two teams in New York city.

Separately, the Big 12/ACC would kill for every single one of those schools - even Purdue. This is where we are.
this was the big reason for conference realignment in 2010. But in the days of streaming, the market doesnt necessarily matter. Its all about the number of eyes balls that watch the game. Maybe there are more casual watchers in minneapolis than lawrence or gainesville, but streaming takes the isolated market component out of the equation. At least, thats what i understood.

both indiana and purdue would be screwed. If you are only looking at the market schools are in.. theyre not it. nor is michigan state or iowa or nebraska.
The best counterexample to your point is that the B1G initially wanted Oregon and USC, but Fox wanted the LA market so it told the B1G to pass on Oregon in order to secure UCLA - a program without the on the field success/recruiting/viewership/etc. of Oregon. To go a step further and to be clear here, Fox didn't initially secure UCLA with the expectation that UCLA would be turning in Ohio State numbers.

Given the clear supportive evidence in play (Fox's decision making in Oregon vs. UCLA, the B1G's value despite its lack of on the field success, the B1G's previous expansion with Rutgers and Maryland, the NFL's choice to have two teams in NYC and two in LA, etc.), this forum needs to move beyond the "there's no value in markets" perspective.
Bear2014
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in reading clemson's and FSU's blogs.. they sure are an arrogant bunch
BearFan33
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Bear2014 said:

boognish_bear said:


damn. i dont like this. i dont like this at all. I want Baylor to be part of the premier league and not be left behind, but i'm afraid thats whats quickly going to happen


You're a long time late to the party, that has already happened.


Yes we were teetering on Oregon State and Washington State territory for a while if B12 would have collapsed
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Aberzombie1892 said:

Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.
No ****ing way
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PartyBear
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Are there two of these suits they have filed? I swear back in January they filed the same thing somewhere else perhaps. I even remember the little blurb in the petition attacking the ACC for inviting SMU and that being discussed here I thought.
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Redbrickbear said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.

Absolutely


Plus we forget how many dead weight schools there are in the Big 10

Purdue, Indiana, northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota (even Iowa & Nebraska now)

Is anyone really clamoring to take these schools?
You forgot a few:

Michigan State
Wisconsin (they haven't finished a season ranked in several years).

And you could even add in some of their new schools as UCLA has survived on name alone and Washington seems like they are going to struggle- new coach, new AD and I saw something that they only have one (1) starter back from the team that just played for the National Championship.
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PartyBear
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I dont know the rules of Summary Judgments in Florida, but I would think the ACC does have at least a scintilla of evidence on their side. This seems like a far fetched move.
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Redbrickbear said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

Bear2014 said:

big 10 has a zero withdrawl fee? wow- theyre confident
Make absolutely no mistake here:

No one is voluntarily leaving the B1G to go anywhere else that isn't a successor to the B1G. In contrast, there are probably at least 1-2 SEC teams that would strongly consider moving to the B1G if they fully evaluated it, but the vice versa situation is not in play.


Plus we forget how many dead weight schools there are in the Big 10

Purdue, Indiana, northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota (even Iowa & Nebraska now)

Is anyone really clamoring to take these schools?
You are right about all of those schools except nebraska. Even during their run of mediocrity they draw solid TV ratings far and wide.
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