ImABearToo said:

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Had the BOR not blown up the program, I wonder if we'd have continued to be that .500 Baylor program? CAB would have lost assistant coaches along the way and missed out on some prospects. NIL and the portal would have had their impact. But I wonder if Art could have kept us among the best through it all? Same for Rhule, could he have kept the momentum after 2019? Obvious CDA wasn't able to do so after 2021. Heck, we ain't even .500 these days.

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MrGolfguy said:

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I don't believe that anyone is saying, or thinks, 6 wins is "prestigious". But that is the number that CFB has decided is required for bowl eligibility. Given where Baylor was last year (getting 'lucky' to win 3), if they were to get 6 wins this year it would show significant improvement, achieve the minimal goal of playing in a bowl game, and get some positive momentum for the program headed to 2025. In the big picture winning 6 games is not a yearly goal for the program, but after last season it has become a "goal" kinda by default.

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chriscbear said:

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We expect to compete for championships. This is not Kevin Steel football.

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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I don't believe that anyone is saying, or thinks, 6 wins is "prestigious". But that is the number that CFB has decided is required for bowl eligibility. Given where Baylor was last year (getting 'lucky' to win 3), if they were to get 6 wins this year it would show significant improvement, achieve the minimal goal of playing in a bowl game, and get some positive momentum for the program headed to 2025. In the big picture winning 6 games is not a yearly goal for the program, but after last season it has become a "goal" kinda by default.

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Maybe prestigious wasn't the right word. My disagreement is with the thought that five wins this season is a fireable offense, but one extra win to get us to six wins is "hooray we finally have momentum!!"

I just don't want us to get caught in this paradigm where we are expecting Aranda to prove that he should be our coach every year and the powers that be are satisfied with six wins becoming par. I'm already starting to see that happen. When every single year with your head coach becomes a prove it year, you know he isn't the guy

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datboiquadzilla said:

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If we do not make a bowl game, Aranda is gone.

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ZachTay said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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I don't believe that anyone is saying, or thinks, 6 wins is "prestigious". But that is the number that CFB has decided is required for bowl eligibility. Given where Baylor was last year (getting 'lucky' to win 3), if they were to get 6 wins this year it would show significant improvement, achieve the minimal goal of playing in a bowl game, and get some positive momentum for the program headed to 2025. In the big picture winning 6 games is not a yearly goal for the program, but after last season it has become a "goal" kinda by default.

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Maybe prestigious wasn't the right word. My disagreement is with the thought that five wins this season is a fireable offense, but one extra win to get us to six wins is "hooray we finally have momentum!!"

I just don't want us to get caught in this paradigm where we are expecting Aranda to prove that he should be our coach every year and the powers that be are satisfied with six wins becoming par. I'm already starting to see that happen. When every single year with your head coach becomes a prove it year, you know he isn't the guy

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Aranda clearly was not the right guy, nor a D-I P5 head coach, two seasons ago. Our focus and pitchforks should be pointed at Rhoades. Rhoades is the reason Baylor Football is in the state (both financially and performance wise) it is in today.

Sic'em

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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I don't believe that anyone is saying, or thinks, 6 wins is "prestigious". But that is the number that CFB has decided is required for bowl eligibility. Given where Baylor was last year (getting 'lucky' to win 3), if they were to get 6 wins this year it would show significant improvement, achieve the minimal goal of playing in a bowl game, and get some positive momentum for the program headed to 2025. In the big picture winning 6 games is not a yearly goal for the program, but after last season it has become a "goal" kinda by default.

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Maybe prestigious wasn't the right word. My disagreement is with the thought that five wins this season is a fireable offense, but one extra win to get us to six wins is "hooray we finally have momentum!!"

I just don't want us to get caught in this paradigm where we are expecting Aranda to prove that he should be our coach every year and the powers that be are satisfied with six wins becoming par. I'm already starting to see that happen. When every single year with your head coach becomes a prove it year, you know he isn't the guy

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Again, why is going 0.500 seen as such a prestigious thing? If you had to win seven games to be bowl eligible, no one would be talking about six wins. If six wins is becoming acceptable for our program, I would honestly rather see us go to a smaller conference where we can actually compete at a high level

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drahthaar said:

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br53 said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Again, why is going 0.500 seen as such a prestigious thing? If you had to win seven games to be bowl eligible, no one would be talking about six wins. If six wins is becoming acceptable for our program, I would honestly rather see us go to a smaller conference where we can actually compete at a high level

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It's Baylor we built a statue of a coach that had an all time record around 500 because we sucked so much before him. Expectations were set then for our fanbase

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His statue isn't there because of his W-L record. It's there because of the existing university mindset he had to overcome; the manner in which he did so; the respect he earned for BU because of his efforts; and the character and integrity of the man revealed thru it all.

BU had the opportunity to repeat the "statue" business by building a football program that would justify a W-L based statue by establishing a program which would compete with anyone. The failure of the admin and AD to oversee and manage said program destroyed that opportunity, and with it, the chance to thrive in any realignment scheme to follow. Not much justification now and going forward to consider "statues" (unless it is John Westbrook).

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Ghostrider said:

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That extra month of practice has zero benefit with NIL.

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Ghostrider said:

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That extra month of practice has zero benefit with NIL.

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PawpaBear said:

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With the transfer portal additions I still think a reasonable outcome this upcoming season is 6-6. Win probability's below:

100% Wins: Tarleton
75% Wins: Air Force, BYU, TCU, Houston
50% Wins: Iowa State, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, West Virginia, Kansas
25% Wins: Utah, Colorado,
0% Wins:

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