Vanderbilt would drop 60 on us or Colorado right now. Pump the brakes on Missouri, I get that. But let's don't be acting like there's a not a sizable talent gap between SEC and Big12 right now.

Killing Floor said:

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Vanderbilt would drop 60 on us or Colorado right now. Pump the brakes on Missouri, I get that. But let's don't be acting like there's a not a sizable talent gap between SEC and Big12 right now.

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Please tell me this is a ****ing bit.

We're now fluffing Vanderbilt?

I'm really starting to hate this sport.

Better idea: Make all of them earn their accolades each year just like most teams across the country have to. We should not assume that Georgia or Bama are automatically the best. They often are as priced by the results in the field. The rankings only matter later in the season when everyone has had a chance to prove themselves. We really don't know for sure a whole lot about anyone except that some teams are playing well for now.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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I was just about to mention that game. I do think Florida is improved, but they had little trouble with UCF. Yesterday was one of the craziest days in football I can ever remember. I think there is probably more parody in college football this year than I can remember. I think The SEC has more good teams than any other P4 conference, but Alabama and Georgia are not the same as the Alabama and Georgia of old.

There are so many random teams around the country sporting players that once played for teams like Georgia and Alabama. Georgia and Bama will have a much harder time retaining and
Developing their recruits since they will be highly coveted and better paid by many other schools around the country. It's not good for the traditional powers like Alabama and Georgia, but it will probably help bring parody to the sport.

Chuckroast said:

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historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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I was just about to mention that game. I do think Florida is improved, but they had little trouble with UCF. Yesterday was one of the craziest days in football I can ever remember. I think there is probably more parody in college football this year than I can remember. I think The SEC has more good teams than any other P4 conference, but Alabama and Georgia are not the same as the Alabama and Georgia of old.

There are so many random teams around the country sporting players that once played for teams like Georgia and Alabama. Georgia and Bama will have a much harder time retaining and
Developing their recruits since they will be highly coveted and better paid by many other schools around the country. It's not good for the traditional powers like Alabama and Georgia, but it will probably help bring parody to the sport.

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This has kind of been my point all along. None of these teams are elite by traditional standards. The gap between the top teams and others has never been more narrow than it is now.

We're seeing this every week as teams that people think are great lose to teams we don't even think are good.

The transfer portal has been a complete game-changer where parity is concerned. That's what makes it so silly to say, "Team A could never beat Team B," when we're seeing them do it every damn week now.

As I've said before the great irony of the current stratification of the sport is that there has never been more parity than there is now. It's not a rising tide lifting boats, it's the opposite. But it is nonetheless happening.

Give the playoffs a few years to play out. You're going to see significant upsets. That's the nature of a real playoff in a more NFL-like college football environment.

historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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Maybe someone can assimilate P4 out of conference matchups Year to date. The higher profile games I remember are Georgia/Clemson, Alabama/Wisconsin, Miami/Florida, Notre Dame/Texas A&M, Texas/Michigan, LSU/USC, West Virginia/Penn State, and Vanderbilt/Virginia Tech. There have been some lesser matchups like Ole Miss/Wake Forest and Tennessee/NC State. I don't remember any other halfway meaningful big 12 out of conference games so far other than Florida/UCF, TCU/SMU, Houston/Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State/Arkansas.

Those are just off the top of my head, so I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of others, but thus far, I believe the SEC has played way more out of conference competition and certainly more meaningful out of conference competition than the big 12 has.

bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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I was just about to mention that game. I do think Florida is improved, but they had little trouble with UCF. Yesterday was one of the craziest days in football I can ever remember. I think there is probably more parody in college football this year than I can remember. I think The SEC has more good teams than any other P4 conference, but Alabama and Georgia are not the same as the Alabama and Georgia of old.

There are so many random teams around the country sporting players that once played for teams like Georgia and Alabama. Georgia and Bama will have a much harder time retaining and
Developing their recruits since they will be highly coveted and better paid by many other schools around the country. It's not good for the traditional powers like Alabama and Georgia, but it will probably help bring parody to the sport.

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This has kind of been my point all along. None of these teams are elite by traditional standards. The gap between the top teams and others has never been more narrow than it is now.

We're seeing this every week as teams that people think are great lose to teams we don't even think are good.

The transfer portal has been a complete game-changer where parity is concerned. That's what makes it so silly to say, "Team A could never beat Team B," when we're seeing them do it every damn week now.

As I've said before the great irony of the current stratification of the sport is that there has never been more parity than there is now. It's not a rising tide lifting boats, it's the opposite. But it is nonetheless happening.

Give the playoffs a few years to play out. You're going to see significant upsets. That's the nature of a real playoff in a more NFL-like college football environment.

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As long as the SEC has 8 or 9 teams in the top 20 recruiting rankings (that is being conservative and doesn't even count for the additions of Texas and Oklahoma) every year, I still believe the SEC will likely be getting the most teams in the playoffs and winning the most championships… Not because of bias, but because the product on the field is good. However, I think the domination that we have seen from Georgia and Alabama will be hard to replicate. I think the SEC needs to be very thankful that there is a 12 team playoff this year, because I think there will be several potentially deserving teams with two and three losses. I think there's a pretty big drop off in the Big Ten after Ohio State. There is no telling who's going to come out of the big 12.

Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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I was just about to mention that game. I do think Florida is improved, but they had little trouble with UCF. Yesterday was one of the craziest days in football I can ever remember. I think there is probably more parody in college football this year than I can remember. I think The SEC has more good teams than any other P4 conference, but Alabama and Georgia are not the same as the Alabama and Georgia of old.

There are so many random teams around the country sporting players that once played for teams like Georgia and Alabama. Georgia and Bama will have a much harder time retaining and
Developing their recruits since they will be highly coveted and better paid by many other schools around the country. It's not good for the traditional powers like Alabama and Georgia, but it will probably help bring parody to the sport.

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This has kind of been my point all along. None of these teams are elite by traditional standards. The gap between the top teams and others has never been more narrow than it is now.

We're seeing this every week as teams that people think are great lose to teams we don't even think are good.

The transfer portal has been a complete game-changer where parity is concerned. That's what makes it so silly to say, "Team A could never beat Team B," when we're seeing them do it every damn week now.

As I've said before the great irony of the current stratification of the sport is that there has never been more parity than there is now. It's not a rising tide lifting boats, it's the opposite. But it is nonetheless happening.

Give the playoffs a few years to play out. You're going to see significant upsets. That's the nature of a real playoff in a more NFL-like college football environment.

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As long as the SEC has 8 or 9 teams in the top 20 recruiting rankings (that is being conservative and doesn't even count for the additions of Texas and Oklahoma) every year, I still believe the SEC will likely be getting the most teams in the playoffs and winning the most championships… Not because of bias, but because the product on the field is good. However, I think the domination that we have seen from Georgia and Alabama will be hard to replicate. I think the SEC needs to be very thankful that there is a 12 team playoff this year, because I think there will be several potentially deserving teams with two and three losses. I think there's a pretty big drop off in the Big Ten after Ohio State. There is no telling who's going to come out of the big 12.

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The SEC has more good teams. I don't mind them getting more teams in the playoff field if they earn it by objective means. Same with the Big Ten.

What I mind is codifying the bull**** so the scale is always tipped in their favor.

There will be years where the Big 12 has two or three worthy teams. Same with the ACC. And there will be years where the SEC and Big Ten are down by their standards.

The remaining spots after the conference champion spots should remain at-large bids and should go to the most worthy teams (regardless of conference) in any given season.

Some of the preseason rankings have some value because they focus on indicators that have been proven to show that a team with them will likely be more successful than a team without them - returning starting QB, recruiting class rankings over time, returning HC, on the field success over time, etc. To that end, those that do use those variables - not AP or coaches - have that value in the preseason.

Separately, some seem to be willing to throw out the preseason rankings already, but let's not forget that teams regularly pick up a loss to a team that they're better than - Saban's Bama teams regularly lost to Freeze's Ole Miss teams, but that didn't make that Ole Miss Team as good as Bama. To further capture that, the playoff predictor still gives Georgia and Bama each a 70% or greater shot of making the playoffs with Ole Miss at 56% and Tennessee at 48%. In the Big 12, ISU is 38%, BYU is 22%, and KSU is 16% (SMU is 31%).

bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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I was just about to mention that game. I do think Florida is improved, but they had little trouble with UCF. Yesterday was one of the craziest days in football I can ever remember. I think there is probably more parody in college football this year than I can remember. I think The SEC has more good teams than any other P4 conference, but Alabama and Georgia are not the same as the Alabama and Georgia of old.

There are so many random teams around the country sporting players that once played for teams like Georgia and Alabama. Georgia and Bama will have a much harder time retaining and
Developing their recruits since they will be highly coveted and better paid by many other schools around the country. It's not good for the traditional powers like Alabama and Georgia, but it will probably help bring parody to the sport.

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This has kind of been my point all along. None of these teams are elite by traditional standards. The gap between the top teams and others has never been more narrow than it is now.

We're seeing this every week as teams that people think are great lose to teams we don't even think are good.

The transfer portal has been a complete game-changer where parity is concerned. That's what makes it so silly to say, "Team A could never beat Team B," when we're seeing them do it every damn week now.

As I've said before the great irony of the current stratification of the sport is that there has never been more parity than there is now. It's not a rising tide lifting boats, it's the opposite. But it is nonetheless happening.

Give the playoffs a few years to play out. You're going to see significant upsets. That's the nature of a real playoff in a more NFL-like college football environment.

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As long as the SEC has 8 or 9 teams in the top 20 recruiting rankings (that is being conservative and doesn't even count for the additions of Texas and Oklahoma) every year, I still believe the SEC will likely be getting the most teams in the playoffs and winning the most championships… Not because of bias, but because the product on the field is good. However, I think the domination that we have seen from Georgia and Alabama will be hard to replicate. I think the SEC needs to be very thankful that there is a 12 team playoff this year, because I think there will be several potentially deserving teams with two and three losses. I think there's a pretty big drop off in the Big Ten after Ohio State. There is no telling who's going to come out of the big 12.

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There will be years where the Big 12 has two or three worthy teams. Same with the ACC. And there will be years where the SEC and Big Ten are down by their standards.

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Yep.

One of the worst parts of the current setup is that it's not going to matter if the sec has a down year - they will push more teams into the post season because they are forcing everyone to play by their rules. That + existing bias in favor of them will only perpetuate the cycle.

Alabama and Georgia have down years? Doesn't matter, because the sec can't possibly not be the best, so 4-6 teams invited it is. It's a ****ing joke.

Parity is definitely a good thing for the sport. In the long run, the chaos today might produce a better cfb landscape in general because of it.

historian said:

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Parity is definitely a good thing for the sport. In the long run, the chaos today might produce a better cfb landscape in general because of it.

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It will only do that if the expanded CFP is given a chance to play out and evolve organically. The SEC and Big Ten won't allow that to that happen.

Unfortunately, that is probably correct.

Chuckroast said:

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historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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Maybe someone can assimilate P4 out of conference matchups Year to date. The higher profile games I remember are Georgia/Clemson, Alabama/Wisconsin, Miami/Florida, Notre Dame/Texas A&M, Texas/Michigan, LSU/USC, West Virginia/Penn State, and Vanderbilt/Virginia Tech. There have been some lesser matchups like Ole Miss/Wake Forest and Tennessee/NC State. I don't remember any other halfway meaningful big 12 out of conference games so far other than Florida/UCF, TCU/SMU, Houston/Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State/Arkansas.

Those are just off the top of my head, so I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of others, but thus far, I believe the SEC has played way more out of conference competition and certainly more meaningful out of conference competition than the big 12 has.

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This is what is skimmed over in these forums over why the SEC gets so much respect - a chunk of their teams amass meaningful out of conference regular season P5 wins every season and those wins pay dividends especially (1) in the first half of the season, (2) when it comes to CFP selection time, and (3) in regard to the perception of the conference. If the Big 12 wanted to, it could utilize the same approach and possibly parlay it into similar success*.

*Yes, the Big 12 has to play a P5 out of conference, but the Big 12 often loses and/or plays no name opponents.

This season, the SEC amassed ranked wins (time game is played) over NC State, Michigan, Boston College and Clemson, with ranked losses against Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Miami and USC - for a 4-4 record involving ranked opponents with the ability to extend that record with rivalry games depending on late season records.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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Maybe someone can assimilate P4 out of conference matchups Year to date. The higher profile games I remember are Georgia/Clemson, Alabama/Wisconsin, Miami/Florida, Notre Dame/Texas A&M, Texas/Michigan, LSU/USC, West Virginia/Penn State, and Vanderbilt/Virginia Tech. There have been some lesser matchups like Ole Miss/Wake Forest and Tennessee/NC State. I don't remember any other halfway meaningful big 12 out of conference games so far other than Florida/UCF, TCU/SMU, Houston/Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State/Arkansas.

Those are just off the top of my head, so I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of others, but thus far, I believe the SEC has played way more out of conference competition and certainly more meaningful out of conference competition than the big 12 has.

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This is what is skimmed over in these forums over why the SEC gets so much respect - a chunk of their teams amass meaningful out of conference regular season P5 wins every season and those wins pay dividends especially (1) in the first half of the season, (2) when it comes to CFP selection time, and (3) in regard to the perception of the conference. If the Big 12 wanted to, it could utilize the same approach and possibly parlay it into similar success*.

*Yes, the Big 12 has to play a P5 out of conference, but the Big 12 often loses and/or plays no name opponents.

This season, the SEC amassed ranked wins (time game is played) over NC State, Michigan, Boston College and Clemson, with ranked losses against Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Miami and USC - for a 4-4 record involving ranked opponents with the ability to extend that record with rivalry games depending on late season records.

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I also think VA Tech was ranked when Vandy beat them

historian said:

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Better idea: Make all of them earn their accolades each year just like most teams across the country have to. We should not assume that Georgia or Bama are automatically the best. They often are as priced by the results in the field. The rankings only matter later in the season when everyone has had a chance to prove themselves. We really don't know for sure a whole lot about anyone except that some teams are playing well for now.

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The FCS does it the right way. It's a real playoff system and you have to earn your way.

No reason FBS Division 1 cannot do the same

I actually like that 24 team FCS bracket. But they only play 11 season games. Would there need to be an adjustment? I think the new 12 team bracket is a step in the right direction. Maybe it will grow.

It might be necessary to make a few adjustments. That shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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Maybe someone can assimilate P4 out of conference matchups Year to date. The higher profile games I remember are Georgia/Clemson, Alabama/Wisconsin, Miami/Florida, Notre Dame/Texas A&M, Texas/Michigan, LSU/USC, West Virginia/Penn State, and Vanderbilt/Virginia Tech. There have been some lesser matchups like Ole Miss/Wake Forest and Tennessee/NC State. I don't remember any other halfway meaningful big 12 out of conference games so far other than Florida/UCF, TCU/SMU, Houston/Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State/Arkansas.

Those are just off the top of my head, so I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of others, but thus far, I believe the SEC has played way more out of conference competition and certainly more meaningful out of conference competition than the big 12 has.

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This is what is skimmed over in these forums over why the SEC gets so much respect - a chunk of their teams amass meaningful out of conference regular season P5 wins every season

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What is skimmed over is that the sec plays an unbalanced schedule which is tilted in their favor.

The sec was getting a lot of heat and deservedly so for their pansy OOC and their November cupcakes. So instead of leveling the playing field by adding a 9th conference game and dropping the November snack, most sec teams added a non conference P5.

All that did was keep the game tilted in their favor, because if they did actually play the same schedule as everyone else (except the acc?) they would now have 8 more guaranteed losses each year.

It was a smart move on their part. Avoid 9 conference games by scheduling some P5s...

morethanhecouldbear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Chuckroast said:

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historian said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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So Ole Miss and Missouri are exactly what I said they were.

This is why SEC fluffing is stupid.

Give Alabama and Georgia their flowers. They've earned them. So has LSU for the most part, though they're down a bit now.

Stop overrating everybody else. Make them earn their rankings.

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Whether or not Missouri can beat A&M and Ole Miss can beat Kentucky has no bearing on whether those teams are better than whatever comes out of the Big 12.

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We won't know for sure unless they play Big 12 teams. Personally, I hope we see more of those those match ups & our conference mates win them all. That's not likely but it certainly is possible that our top teams could beat many of the SEC teams, especially Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, SC, MSU, and maybe others. I've seen it happen multiple times in the past.

You know I will be cheering on UCF vs Florida later today.

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Maybe someone can assimilate P4 out of conference matchups Year to date. The higher profile games I remember are Georgia/Clemson, Alabama/Wisconsin, Miami/Florida, Notre Dame/Texas A&M, Texas/Michigan, LSU/USC, West Virginia/Penn State, and Vanderbilt/Virginia Tech. There have been some lesser matchups like Ole Miss/Wake Forest and Tennessee/NC State. I don't remember any other halfway meaningful big 12 out of conference games so far other than Florida/UCF, TCU/SMU, Houston/Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State/Arkansas.

Those are just off the top of my head, so I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of others, but thus far, I believe the SEC has played way more out of conference competition and certainly more meaningful out of conference competition than the big 12 has.

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This is what is skimmed over in these forums over why the SEC gets so much respect - a chunk of their teams amass meaningful out of conference regular season P5 wins every season

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What is skimmed over is that the sec plays an unbalanced schedule which is tilted in their favor.

The sec was getting a lot of heat and deservedly so for their pansy OOC and their November cupcakes. So instead of leveling the playing field by adding a 9th conference game and dropping the November snack, most sec teams added a non conference P5.

All that did was keep the game tilted in their favor, because if they did actually play the same schedule as everyone else (except the acc?) they would now have 8 more guaranteed losses each year.

It was a smart move on their part. Avoid 9 conference games by scheduling some P5s...

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For what it's worth, nonconference P5 games bring a lot of excitement because it's a direct way to evaluate conferences against one another. That being said, any conference game with Texas and OU still feels like a non conference game in the SEC. The P4s are getting so big and non-regional that conference pride may become a thing of the past.

The worst part of SEC P4 or 5 ooc is that most of them edible the bottom teams of the other conferences. To Texas's credit, they at least have scheduled real opponents over the years: ND, Bama (when they were still in the Big 12), etc. OU played OSU, Tennessee, and other serious contenders. The Aggies played Clemson a fess as years ago. One year, they actually had the toughest schedule in the country with games against Bama, Georgia & Clemson including on the road. Their record reflected that!

I'm glad Baylor will be playing Oregon & Auburn in coming years. Now if only they can figure out how to play complete Ames and win them!!

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The worst part of SEC P4 or 5 ooc is that most of them edible the bottom teams of the other conferences. To Texas's credit, they at least have scheduled real opponents over the years: ND, Bama (when they were still in the Big 12), etc. OU played OSU, Tennessee, and other serious contenders. The Aggies played Clemson a fess as years ago. One year, they actually had the toughest schedule in the country with games against Bama, Georgia & Clemson including on the road. Their record reflected that!

I'm glad Baylor will be playing Oregon & Auburn in coming years. Now if only they can figure out how to play complete Ames and win them!!

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I do prefer scheduling Auburn over Tarleton State. Although we need all the wins we can get, no one takes a win like Tarleton State seriously, and every now and then, it can come up and bite you. I wouldn't want any part of Texas State or Sam Houston State this year.

I don't mind Tarleton State so long as it's only 1 such game each year. Everyone does it so why not get the freebie? Obviously, I would like to see the P5 opponents be done one of quality, which we will have for the next few years, and for the third game to at least be respectable. If we ever get to elite status, I would expect the scheduling to improve. Right now we need to win games and get to the post season every year.

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I don't mind Tarleton State so long as it's only 1 such game each year. Everyone does it so why not get the freebie? Obviously, I would like to see the P5 opponents be done one of quality, which we will have for the next few years, and for the third game to at least be respectable. If we ever get to elite status, I would expect the scheduling to improve. Right now we need to win games and get to the post season every year.

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We do need freebies. It would be great to have freebies with perhaps a little more name recognition than Tarleton, but nothing is a given these days.

What a lot of poster do not realize is the progress the SEC has made over the decades. Before they went to divisions you had members who rarely played each other. Today FLA vs UT is a big rivalry but they have barely played over 50 games because they never faced each other in older days.

LSU played Kentucky and Vanderbilt every year but rarely if ever faced UGA or UT.

With the division alignment it has been cured to some degree although I believe UGA has never played in College Station since aggy joined SEC 12 years ago.

The division alignment has improved the league and was the giant step forward to today where we will have a 12 team playoff. In the long run nothing will change the top order of top teams in playoffs.

Nevertheless I'm hoping UT (Austin) wins the SEC and Oregon wins the B1G. Justice would be served.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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What a lot of poster do not realize is the progress the SEC has made over the decades. Before they went to divisions you had members who rarely played each other. Today FLA vs UT is a big rivalry but they have barely played over 50 games because they never faced each other in older days.

LSU played Kentucky and Vanderbilt every year but rarely if ever faced UGA or UT.

With the division alignment it has been cured to some degree although I believe UGA has never played in College Station since aggy joined SEC 12 years ago.

The division alignment has improved the league and was the giant step forward to today where we will have a 12 team playoff. In the long run nothing will change the top order of top teams in playoffs.

Nevertheless I'm hoping UT (Austin) wins the SEC and Oregon wins the B1G. Justice would be served.

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Texas could win it. It reminds when A&M had immediate success in the SEC with Manziel, but it didn't last long. Texas doesn't play many of the top SEC teams this year but did draw Georgia, but at least they get them in Austin. Texas also drew Mississippi State and Vandy, but Vandy is not looking like as easy of an out as usual. Their first game against A&M in a long time will definitely be interesting.

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Georgia will probably get better. Maybe Tennessee & Alabama. But it likes like a typical opening of an SEC season except usually one team looks really good and the rest don't. We shall see.

I really don't like the SEC and I hope they all get worse, with only one team getting in the playoffs. Same with Big 10. We all know I won't get my wish. Such is can these days.

I grew up cheering for underdogs, partly because my teams were generally underdogs. That's where I'm coming from. Still, I can deal with reality too.

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This system starts with 2 SEC and 2 B1G teams before the first snap.

Then everyone plays for 8 seats. 1 Big 12, 1 ACC, 1 PAC. 1ND.

Beat your ass the last 4 will be SEC/B1G.

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Georgia will probably get better. Maybe Tennessee & Alabama. But it likes like a typical opening of an SEC season except usually one team looks really good and the rest don't. We shall see.

I really don't like the SEC and I hope they all get worse, with only one team getting in the playoffs. Same with Big 10. We all know I won't get my wish. Such is can these days.

I grew up cheering for underdogs, partly because my teams were generally underdogs. That's where I'm coming from. Still, I can deal with reality too.

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This system starts with 2 SEC and 2 B1G teams before the first snap.

Then everyone plays for 8 seats. 1 Big 12, 1 ACC, 1 PAC. 1ND.

Beat your ass the last 4 will be SEC/B1G.

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I normally can't stand the Big 10, but I have to admit they look better this year. Don't know if they have a dominant team (but does anyone?). Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State all look playoff worthy. Indiana looks much better than they usually are but haven't had to play anyone yet. Wisconsin started slow (got crushed by Alabama), but they seem to be playing much better now (and Alabama has regressed).

I will not take this slander against the real UT with my Bears struggling this year. GBO! Our Volunteers are why Texas is a state so yes we are the real UT besides the fact the university was founded before Texas was even a country or state much less had a university.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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historian said:

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Georgia will probably get better. Maybe Tennessee & Alabama. But it likes like a typical opening of an SEC season except usually one team looks really good and the rest don't. We shall see.

I really don't like the SEC and I hope they all get worse, with only one team getting in the playoffs. Same with Big 10. We all know I won't get my wish. Such is can these days.

I grew up cheering for underdogs, partly because my teams were generally underdogs. That's where I'm coming from. Still, I can deal with reality too.

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This system starts with 2 SEC and 2 B1G teams before the first snap.

Then everyone plays for 8 seats. 1 Big 12, 1 ACC, 1 PAC. 1ND.

Beat your ass the last 4 will be SEC/B1G.

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Based on what we have seen to date it's hard to argue against that exact format. The B1G usually weaker members appear much more competitive today and the top two in the SEC appear to be less dominate than in prior years.

boykin_spaniel said:

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I will not take this slander against the real UT with my Bears struggling this year. GBO! Our Volunteers are why Texas is a state so yes we are the real UT besides the fact the university was founded before Texas was even a country or state much less had a university.

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I'm with you on Tennessee, but they have looked like a different team ever since Oklahoma… Like they're playing not to lose. They have a really good quarterback from Nashville coming next year, and I hope he gets a shot to compete against Nico if Nico doesn't start pulling it together.

Nico is still young so time to put it all together, but he hasn't looked great the past few weeks. Nashville is churning out the QB's I guess. Marcel Reed is a Nashville kid at A&M.

Chuckroast said:

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boykin_spaniel said:

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I will not take this slander against the real UT with my Bears struggling this year. GBO! Our Volunteers are why Texas is a state so yes we are the real UT besides the fact the university was founded before Texas was even a country or state much less had a university.

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I'm with you on Tennessee, but they have looked like a different team ever since Oklahoma… Like they're playing not to lose. They have a really good quarterback from Nashville coming next year, and I hope he gets a shot to compete against Nico if Nico doesn't start pulling it together.

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They finally started playing real defenses, and Nico started looking like a freshman.

Tennessee, Ole Miss and Missouri all had their "unstoppable" offenses exposed once their schedules toughened.