What would you all prefer to have them do? If we presume that the SEC media payouts are largely equal across the conference (they are), then the major area where disparities across teams could be made up is through alumni/supporter giving. Some of you may not like how they are spelling that out through the use of math, but the principles in place there were true even before NIL was in place.

EDIT: As an on point example, how many poor people in Alabama do you believe give to Alabama?

Honestly, we need to get 10k Baylor fans to contribute at least $50/month. You would think one of the Waltons or Jerry Jones could help arky pick up the slack.

Robert Wilson said:

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Concur

Big picture: football program revenue has to fund NIL. That was the whole idea. "The schools are making all this money. The players should get some, too." [ignoring arguments about scholarships etc - we are where we are]

Makes no sense for fans/alums to directly pay minor league pro football salaries. [ignoring what NIL was actually supposed to be, because we are apparently just paying players now]

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to donate for that, but as Lynyrd Skynyrd said "I ain't the one."

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Concur II.

Not sure college athletics will survive without some serious reform.

No interest to donate or pay NFL ticket prices to pay players more who have been getting paid for decades.

muddybrazos said:

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Honestly, we need to get 10k Baylor fans to contribute at least $50/month. You would think one of the Waltons or Jerry Jones could help arky pick up the slack.

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Jerry can send all of the money he did not spend in the Cowboy's off-season over to the Arkansas NIL

Aberzombie1892 said:

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What would you all prefer to have them do? If we presume that the SEC media payouts are largely equal across the conference (they are), then the major area where disparities across teams could be made up is through alumni/supporter giving. Some of you may not like how they are spelling that out through the use of math, but the principles in place there were true even before NIL was in place.

EDIT: As an on point example, how many poor people in Alabama do you believe give to Alabama?

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Stop publicly begging for money from people whose passion they're already exploiting and taking for granted to pay the operating costs of the system they created.

These colleges are worse than churches at this point, and that's not easy to achieve.

BearlyBeloved said:

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Coming soon:

Football players on street corners, holding cardboard signs: "Will Tackle for Food"

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Then you see them driving off in their Mercedes, like a lot people on the street asking for money

BluesBear said:

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muddybrazos said:

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Honestly, we need to get 10k Baylor fans to contribute at least $50/month. You would think one of the Waltons or Jerry Jones could help arky pick up the slack.

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so these knuckleheads can drop 750K on a worthless QB.....Yeah, that's a good one...

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I have had students call me and ask me several times to donate money. They ask you to donate like $200, then they'll ask you for $100, then they'll ask you for $50. My buddy had the same job when we were at Baylor 10 ish years ago. At that time, there was a call center at the top of the Clifton Robinson tower. He recalls having a lot of people hang up on him and a lot of people launching into stories about how they are still paying off student loan debt. Point being, I don't think this fanbase has the money that people think they do, at least if you're talking about the alumni base in their entirety

bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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What would you all prefer to have them do? If we presume that the SEC media payouts are largely equal across the conference (they are), then the major area where disparities across teams could be made up is through alumni/supporter giving. Some of you may not like how they are spelling that out through the use of math, but the principles in place there were true even before NIL was in place.

EDIT: As an on point example, how many poor people in Alabama do you believe give to Alabama?

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Stop publicly begging for money from people whose passion they're already exploiting and taking for granted to pay the operating costs of the system they created.

These colleges are worse than churches at this point, and that's not easy to achieve.

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Agreed on the exploitation, but that was true even before NIL. The fundamentals are the same as they've always been - alumni give to their programs in order to support them.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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What would you all prefer to have them do? If we presume that the SEC media payouts are largely equal across the conference (they are), then the major area where disparities across teams could be made up is through alumni/supporter giving. Some of you may not like how they are spelling that out through the use of math, but the principles in place there were true even before NIL was in place.

EDIT: As an on point example, how many poor people in Alabama do you believe give to Alabama?

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Stop publicly begging for money from people whose passion they're already exploiting and taking for granted to pay the operating costs of the system they created.

These colleges are worse than churches at this point, and that's not easy to achieve.

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Agreed on the exploitation, but that was true even before NIL. The fundamentals are the same as they've always been - alumni give to their programs in order to support them.

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The problem comes when they're both taking in and asking for more money than ever.

Inflation is a thing, obviously. But TV revenue increases have well outpaced inflation, especially for the Power 2. Tell me how the hell athletic departments that operated on $30 million 10 years ago can't do so on $75 million now. Even sharing the revenue, that math doesn't math.

The truth is these departments and universities want to budget the same way they always have and use their fans to subsidize the new expenses. It's bull***** Unfortunately, it's also the American way. The costs always get passed on to the consumer.

With all their SEC money, can they not just dedicate a percentage of their net revenue in athletics to pay the athletes like Baylor recently announced and at least a few other schools are doing. Although I do not know, I would venture a guess that Ark Athletics is wealthier than Baylor athletics.

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I shouldn't have to take money out of my child's college fund or food out of his mouth in order to bribe dishonest people like Austin Novosad and his family into keeping their commitment. That doesn't mean that an athletic department can't ask, but as my dad always said, asking and getting are two different things. You are asked to tip at almost every establishment nowadays, but it doesn't mean that you're obligated to. I also think it creates a precedent that I've already seen in our fanbase where coaches and athletic departments low-key blame the fans for the coach's failures.

For example: "The coach isn't successful because we don't have enough talent from the portal because we don't have enough NIL money. so don't complain about the coach unless you're willing to give to the NIL fund." I saw variations of this quote several times last year on this board

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Could not have written it better. I love Baylor football. Not enough to subsidize players largesse.

No one made them play for free college, room and board, and other perks - good for them. If that's not enough, let them try to get into college on academics and pay their own way.

All but a few athletic departments lose money. Now I'm not naive enough to think there is the usual excess and bureaucratic waste, but if there is a bogeyman it is Title IX.

bro - you should have just gone with the "mandatory" route.

NEWS: Tennessee is preparing to add a 10% 'talent fee' to ticket prices to raise money to give its players💰

(via @Andy_Staples) https://t.co/0M3Fr1R8Tw pic.twitter.com/uJLiWNjt0R

— On3 (@On3sports) September 17, 2024

Daveisabovereproach said:

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BearlyBeloved said:

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Coming soon:

Football players on street corners, holding cardboard signs: "Will Tackle for Food"

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Then you see them driving off in their Mercedes, like a lot people on the street asking for money.

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OR in their second car, something sportier and flashier.

jikespingleton said:

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Here is a combination of my own thoughts, as well as expressing what others have said on here..

I think it is absurd to continue to appeal to fans to pay players with revenue sharing knocking on the door.

The fans are the reason the game is popular and why the TV contracts have ballooned over the past 20 years. No fans = no TV revenue.

We take time out of our schedules, go to games, set up tailgates, buy food and drinks and often make a weekend out of it to see friends and family. We also buy hats, shirts and other gear of our favorite teams.

Apparently that is enough and isn't appreciated?

****. OFF.

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Exactly right. Like, you can ask me for donations. That's not crossing a line. But when these universities want to start framing this as, "well, we could totally win if only Jikespingleton and Daveisaboveapproach would be a little more generous…" yes I agree with Bear2B2, it really is gaslighting. I hate that word because it gets used way too much, but in this case it's true

bear2be2 said:

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jikespingleton said:

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Here is a combination of my own thoughts, as well as expressing what others have said on here..

I think it is absurd to continue to appeal to fans to pay players with revenue sharing knocking on the door.

The fans are the reason the game is popular and why the TV contracts have ballooned over the past 20 years. No fans = no TV revenue.

We take time out of our schedules, go to games, set up tailgates, buy food and drinks and often make a weekend out of it to see friends and family. We also buy hats, shirts and other gear of our favorite teams.

Apparently that is enough and isn't appreciated?

****. OFF.

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These universities are going to kill the golden goose.

And the worst part is they're going to blame a lack of fan support when the consumers finally decide enough is enough. It's textbook gaslighting honestly.

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I think we can look at the pro sports model to see where this is going.

TV contracts have flooded pro sports with money. Fans are told to "stay competitive" the teams will need new stadiums, higher ticket prices and charge $20 for **** beer and $15 for a hot dog. It's an absurd business model, but people put up with it because sports is a singularly unique business. I would add, I don't go to nfl or nba games because I refuse to pay those prices, or 'compromise' by sitting in nosebleed seats.

I think college goes the same way. Ticket prices, parking, concessions will all go continue to go up and outpace just about all costs in the real world in the name of "being competitive". With the added insult of fans being asked to donate money. The key difference between the pro sports and the college game is there isn't revenue sharing and parity checks in place across conferences in the college game. It's always been a bunch of 'leagues' playing independently.

No amount of donating is going to bridge the gap for teams not in the b10 and sec. We then have to ask ourselves as fans and alumni - what's important to us? Where do we want to put our dollars? If we step back and really think about all of this - the NIL thing, paying players and the facilities arms race is all based on pride and bragging rights. Nothing more.

Is this what they call the "Piggy Bank"?

Jack Bauer said:

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bro - you should have just gone with the "mandatory" route.

NEWS: Tennessee is preparing to add a 10% 'talent fee' to ticket prices to raise money to give its players💰

(via @Andy_Staples) https://t.co/0M3Fr1R8Tw pic.twitter.com/uJLiWNjt0R

— On3 (@On3sports) September 17, 2024

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I am no legal expert on this stuff… But doing it this way sounds more like revenue sharing already rather than NIL. Maybe I'm missing something.

I'm glad to see this getting dragged

Arkansas’ athletic department brought in over $167 million in 2023. Why do state residents need to subsidize anything?

— Jason Geer (@jgeer23) September 17, 2024

Hunter Yurachek's career earnings as Arkansas AD will be $8.7M by the end of the year, in addition to a car, three country club memberships, and six figure bonuses.

Arkansas football is 27-45 under his tenure.

The median household income in Arkansas is $54,000. 17% of the state… https://t.co/2cGAD3dPL0

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) September 17, 2024

Yurachek speaking the truth. A to Z, literally everything about this is so stupid.

But then he asks Arkansas fans (some of which aren't alums, many of which don't have the net worth to do this), to increase the financial support of non-degreed student-athletes that already make more per year than the fans themselves. Is any part of this not totally ridiculous? None of the financial support is tied to academic performance or related to their field of study.

Sam Pittman is scheduled to make $6.2 million this year. If he wants to field a competitive team maybe he should give up $5 million of that to buy players, Hunter.

College athletics, including coaching salaries, are headed for a major correction within the next 5 years. The business model is unsustainable and they're never gonna be able to unload enough costs off on the general public.

If we all send $20 to Arkansas we can make a difference. Please help.

For decades, Clemson's fundraising bedrock has been the IPTAY (I Pay Ten, Twenty, Thirty, Thousand A Year) program which allows the small contributor to participate along with the whales. Something similar might work for Arky.

ABC BEAR said:

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For decades, Clemson's fundraising bedrock has been the IPTAY (I Pay Ten, Twenty, Thirty, Thousand A Year) program which allows the small contributor to participate along with the whales. Something similar might work for Arky.

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I think we had something like that in the mid 90s called ISBA started by Ellis who came from Clemson?