Maybe I've missed it through the years. I have heard, on this forum and in conversations, fans and alumni defending Briles and pointing out what should be obvious to everyone by now, that he was a scapegoat for the university. But I don't remember hearing from players who played for Briles during the time of bad dudes and dozens of rapes. What do they say about the culture of the team? About the coaching staff supervision of players? Petty seems like a stand-up guy and solid leader. What did he have to say? Is there a code of silence? It's been almost a decade since Briles was shown the door, but it still bothers me (and many of you).
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Seems to me like most went out of their way to not ask players about it. Wouldn't have fit the narrative.
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"dozens of rapes"? That was the accusation at the time but it was never proven. Only two were proven in a court of law: Tevin Elliot is still in prison and Sam U served his time long ago. Everything else is unjustified assumption, probably based upon lies.
That is a very interesting question about the players all those years and the silence. While Briles might not have been a disciplinarian and maybe took some chance on let's say some fringe players, in my mind the Board and University Brass made him the scapegoat for the many problems concerning the culture in much of the University over this rape problem. It would appear that they were willing to have him be the blame for the entire problem, thus relieving them of their responsibility in handling the situation in an appropriate manner.
I would note that U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman dismissed a negligence case filed against Briles as well as McCaw brought by BU student Delores Lozano in the Devin Chafin case. Briles of course was later fired by Baylor in May of 2016 and he then filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against Baylor in which he was awarded $15.1 Million in 2018.
I personally doubt that Briles could have ever imagined that these circumstances would have led to the end of his coaching career. I believe he got totally shafted. And we lost a great coach.
I would note that U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman dismissed a negligence case filed against Briles as well as McCaw brought by BU student Delores Lozano in the Devin Chafin case. Briles of course was later fired by Baylor in May of 2016 and he then filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against Baylor in which he was awarded $15.1 Million in 2018.
I personally doubt that Briles could have ever imagined that these circumstances would have led to the end of his coaching career. I believe he got totally shafted. And we lost a great coach.
We have been over this territory countless times. Cab had an out of control culture where winning was above all else, including the ethical treatment of women. His own text messages condemn him. An independent law firm examined the evidence of the FB program and presented a report to the Regents. None of them wanted to upend a successful program. NONE. But the evidence of an out of control culture that demeaned women was so overwhelming they had no choice. Don't be fooled by the number of criminal convictions, The civil settlements are behemoth. No other school has ever hired him because his lack of controls makes him untouchable. Think of all the fallen football coaches who have been rehabbed, but not Briles. The minute a school makes an offer, the public outcry is overwhelming. The scandal was so big the AD and President went down as well.
I think Sam U was actually proven not guilty after appeal. Oakman got his NFL career ruined by false accusations. Honestly, our board did more damage than anyone and its pathetic. To be fair, I did hear some stories about our team during that time but they didnt involve women. If they were true we had some gangsta Houston dudes that were making their presence felt amongst local Waco thugs.historian said:
"dozens of rapes"? That was the accusation at the time but it was never proven. Only two were proven in a court of law: Tevin Elliot is still in prison and Sam U served his time long ago. Everything else is unjustified assumption, probably based upon lies.
Explain how getting rid of briles was better than the alternative? Firing briles as a "scapegoat" as you claim didn't really work. To me the PR was just as bad as any alternative. Also if they wanted a scale goat why wasn't the President alone good enough?
https://www.beneaththesurfacenews.com/post/stephenville-isd-names-new-stadium-after-coach-art-briles-field-named-in-honor-of-coach-mike-copela
Stephenville ISD names new stadium after Coach Art Briles; field named in honor of Coach Mike Copeland.
Special to Beneath the Surface News
Stephenville ISD has announced that it will name its new stadium after former head coach Art Briles and its field after another former head coach, Mike Copeland.
The announcement was made during the third and fourth quarters of Friday night's game.
"As we honor the 1994 state championship football team at the last scheduled game in Memorial Stadium tonight, it seemed a fitting time to connect our past and our future," said SISD superintendent Dr. Eric Cederstrom.
A press release to Beneath the Surface News states, "Known for building a winning program and fostering a sense of unity, pride and character, the contributions of Coach Briles have been foundational to our athletic program, district and community.
"With the naming of Art Briles Stadium, we honor the values of perseverance, resilience and teamwork that he championed, and we renew our commitment to building champions both on and off the field."
With the exception of his first year, Briles led the Yellow Jackets to the playoffs every single season, including four state championships.
"Coach Briles has always strived to do much more than just win football games; he believes in building champions in football, as well as in the game of life," said SISD board president Chad Elms.
"This stadium not only honors his incredible legacy that has forever changed the course of our district, but it also stands as a symbol of our commitment to the community of building a place that brings us all together, strengthens our town and inspires future generations."
Coach Mike Copeland is a fixture in Stephenville athletics. He has served in many capacities over the past 48 years including defensive coordinator, head football coach and head track and field coach.
Other sports with the Copeland stamp include golf, tennis, cross country and basketball.
"I can't say how special this is for me, our athletic department, SISD, and our community to be able to name our stadium after Coach Briles and Coach Copeland," said Stephenville ISD athletic director and head football coach Sterling Doty.
"Their legacy will live forever in our hearts and now in our new athletic home."
Stephenville ISD names new stadium after Coach Art Briles; field named in honor of Coach Mike Copeland.
Special to Beneath the Surface News
Stephenville ISD has announced that it will name its new stadium after former head coach Art Briles and its field after another former head coach, Mike Copeland.
The announcement was made during the third and fourth quarters of Friday night's game.
"As we honor the 1994 state championship football team at the last scheduled game in Memorial Stadium tonight, it seemed a fitting time to connect our past and our future," said SISD superintendent Dr. Eric Cederstrom.
A press release to Beneath the Surface News states, "Known for building a winning program and fostering a sense of unity, pride and character, the contributions of Coach Briles have been foundational to our athletic program, district and community.
"With the naming of Art Briles Stadium, we honor the values of perseverance, resilience and teamwork that he championed, and we renew our commitment to building champions both on and off the field."
With the exception of his first year, Briles led the Yellow Jackets to the playoffs every single season, including four state championships.
"Coach Briles has always strived to do much more than just win football games; he believes in building champions in football, as well as in the game of life," said SISD board president Chad Elms.
"This stadium not only honors his incredible legacy that has forever changed the course of our district, but it also stands as a symbol of our commitment to the community of building a place that brings us all together, strengthens our town and inspires future generations."
Coach Mike Copeland is a fixture in Stephenville athletics. He has served in many capacities over the past 48 years including defensive coordinator, head football coach and head track and field coach.
Other sports with the Copeland stamp include golf, tennis, cross country and basketball.
"I can't say how special this is for me, our athletic department, SISD, and our community to be able to name our stadium after Coach Briles and Coach Copeland," said Stephenville ISD athletic director and head football coach Sterling Doty.
"Their legacy will live forever in our hearts and now in our new athletic home."
tstuck said:
Explain how getting rid of briles was better than the alternative? Firing briles as a "scapegoat" as you claim didn't really work. To me the PR was just as bad as any alternative. Also if they wanted a scale goat why wasn't the President alone good enough?
If you do not understand that the Administration and Board used Briles as the coach who did terrible things to deflect from their own misgivings then I cannot help you.tstuck said:
Explain how getting rid of briles was better than the alternative? Firing briles as a "scapegoat" as you claim didn't really work. To me the PR was just as bad as any alternative. Also if they wanted a scale goat why wasn't the President alone good enough?
Is there a list of those Board members who were involved in these decisions?muddybrazos said:I think Sam U was actually proven not guilty after appeal. Oakman got his NFL career ruined by false accusations. Honestly, our board did more damage than anyone and its pathetic. To be fair, I did hear some stories about our team during that time but they didnt involve women. If they were true we had some gangsta Houston dudes that were making their presence felt amongst local Waco thugs.historian said:
"dozens of rapes"? That was the accusation at the time but it was never proven. Only two were proven in a court of law: Tevin Elliot is still in prison and Sam U served his time long ago. Everything else is unjustified assumption, probably based upon lies.
muddybrazos said:I think Sam U was actually proven not guilty after appeal. Oakman got his NFL career ruined by false accusations. Honestly, our board did more damage than anyone and its pathetic. To be fair, I did hear some stories about our team during that time but they didnt involve women. If they were true we had some gangsta Houston dudes that were making their presence felt amongst local Waco thugs.historian said:
"dozens of rapes"? That was the accusation at the time but it was never proven. Only two were proven in a court of law: Tevin Elliot is still in prison and Sam U served his time long ago. Everything else is unjustified assumption, probably based upon lies.
Sam U was convicted, had it overturned on appeal, had it reimposed, overturned on appeal again, & reimposed again. As far as I know, his current legal status is convicted. He served the full 6 months of his sentence which tells us something about it all. I honestly don't know why it was only 6 months.
gtownbear said:If you do not understand that the Administration and Board used Briles as the coach who did terrible things to deflect from their own misgivings then I cannot help you.tstuck said:
Explain how getting rid of briles was better than the alternative? Firing briles as a "scapegoat" as you claim didn't really work. To me the PR was just as bad as any alternative. Also if they wanted a scale goat why wasn't the President alone good enough?
Way to not answer and to deflect. Very convincing arguement.
fredbear said:
We have been over this territory countless times. Cab had an out of control culture where winning was above all else, including the ethical treatment of women. His own text messages condemn him. An independent law firm examined the evidence of the FB program and presented a report to the Regents. None of them wanted to upend a successful program. NONE. But the evidence of an out of control culture that demeaned women was so overwhelming they had no choice. Don't be fooled by the number of criminal convictions, The civil settlements are behemoth. No other school has ever hired him because his lack of controls makes him untouchable. Think of all the fallen football coaches who have been rehabbed, but not Briles. The minute a school makes an offer, the public outcry is overwhelming. The scandal was so big the AD and President went down as well.
Feel free to form your own opinion on several facts of the case. I've examined the facts at length and found CAB to be without question the scape goat.
But using "his own texts" argument is nonsense. Those texts were selectively presented without full context. For 90%+ of people who text often if you give me full access to your phone I could make you out to be a very bad person by taking your texts and using just portions out of context. Baylor BOR hit pr firm did a number to save the ass of some "bad dudes" on the BOR who paid then well with Baylor money to do it. I pray God holds these men and women accountable.
His texts were clear. And no, my phone would not make me look like I condemned sexually abused women for their own rape. Cant make this stuff up. He clearly covered up what he knew and did not protect the victims of the perpetrators. I saw it with my own eyes. Win at all cost even raping and violence. There is NO context in which what he texted is ok. NONE. Would you like to provide us with a contextbthat might make shaming victims ok?
Or using a dollar store Mike Ehrmantraut to make trouble go away and shield bad-acting players from the consequences of their actions.fredbear said:
His texts were clear. And no, my phone would not make me look like I condemned sexually abused women for their own rape. Cant make this stuff up. He clearly covered up what he knew and did not protect the victims of the perpetrators. I saw it with my own eyes. Win at all cost even raping and violence. There is NO context in which what he texted is ok. NONE. Would you like to provide us with a contextbthat might make shaming victims ok?
Irrespective of the sexual assault element, we were running a rogue program. There was no accountability whatsoever beyond the football field. It was only a matter of time before that powder keg blew.
tstuck said:gtownbear said:If you do not understand that the Administration and Board used Briles as the coach who did terrible things to deflect from their own misgivings then I cannot help you.tstuck said:
Explain how getting rid of briles was better than the alternative? Firing briles as a "scapegoat" as you claim didn't really work. To me the PR was just as bad as any alternative. Also if they wanted a scale goat why wasn't the President alone good enough?
Way to not answer and to deflect. Very convincing arguement.
your insults are unworthy of further conversation. buzz off.
The Briles defenses are so extreme.
Was he worse than lots of other coaches across the country? Maybe not.
Did the BOR handle PR very poorly throughout that process? Yes.
Had Starr and the admin failed in setting up the best support structures? Obviously.
Were many of the players good people and good citizens? Surely.
But does that mean Briles didn't also set up a program with no control, shielded from oversight, willing to bring in players with legal and behavioral red flags, that contained two convicted of sexual assault and at least a few others who mistreated women? No it doesn't.
It's not always virtue signaling and PR. Sometimes people really are trying to make things better in the world.
Was he worse than lots of other coaches across the country? Maybe not.
Did the BOR handle PR very poorly throughout that process? Yes.
Had Starr and the admin failed in setting up the best support structures? Obviously.
Were many of the players good people and good citizens? Surely.
But does that mean Briles didn't also set up a program with no control, shielded from oversight, willing to bring in players with legal and behavioral red flags, that contained two convicted of sexual assault and at least a few others who mistreated women? No it doesn't.
It's not always virtue signaling and PR. Sometimes people really are trying to make things better in the world.
fredbear said:
His texts were clear. And no, my phone would not make me look like I condemned sexually abused women for their own rape. Cant make this stuff up. He clearly covered up what he knew and did not protect the victims of the perpetrators. I saw it with my own eyes. Win at all cost even raping and violence. There is NO context in which what he texted is ok. NONE. Would you like to provide us with a contextbthat might make shaming victims ok?
You didn't see it with your own eyes
Quit making stuff up
Briles was hired as a football coach. He was like 99% of the football coaches at his level during his time as a head coach. Is that a defense for him not being both a head coach and a future thinking Title IX believing guy? Of course not, but that was not his job. His job was to win and he did that better than any coach in Baylor's history.ursamajor said:
The Briles defenses are so extreme.
Was he worse than lots of other coaches across the country? Maybe not.
Did the BOR handle PR very poorly throughout that process? Yes.
Had Starr and the admin failed in setting up the best support structures? Obviously.
Were many of the players good people and good citizens? Surely.
But does that mean Briles didn't also set up a program with no control, shielded from oversight, willing to bring in players with legal and behavioral red flags, that contained two convicted of sexual assault and at least a few others who mistreated women? No it doesn't.
It's not always virtue signaling and PR. Sometimes people really are trying to make things better in the world.
The job of others was to set policy, adhere to law and lead the ENTIRE campus to be better in the area that the entire campus had problems.
Here's the difference, and if you can't get this, then my writing is a waste of time.
The other 99% of head coaches either had administrations that adhered to the law and set up procedures (which Briles would have happily followed) OR (and this is big) when they and the coaches failed, they circled the wagons.
Baylor elected to do it different than everyone else. They (the really guilty ones) panicked and decided that their careers and heritages were in doubt, and they elected to find a scapegoat. Briles was the easy target.
As I said in a prior post (and do a simple Google search if you don't believe me) danged near EVERY major college program in the years Briles was Baylor's head coach was equal or worse than Baylor in terms of numbers of assaults, etc. Those programs elected to circle the wagons.
They also decided to either strengthen their existing controls, or put them in place when they observed Baylor's stupidity.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink.
We have a bingo!
Good summation sir!
ursamajor said:
The Briles defenses are so extreme.
Was he worse than lots of other coaches across the country? Maybe not.
Did the BOR handle PR very poorly throughout that process? Yes.
Had Starr and the admin failed in setting up the best support structures? Obviously.
Were many of the players good people and good citizens? Surely.
But does that mean Briles didn't also set up a program with no control, shielded from oversight, willing to bring in players with legal and behavioral red flags, that contained two convicted of sexual assault and at least a few others who mistreated women? No it doesn't.
It's not always virtue signaling and PR. Sometimes people really are trying to make things better in the world.
I dismiss out of hand the idea of "no control". Insufficient control, absolutely. We watched the undisciplined behavior on the field. And I doubt the fb team was shielded from oversight any more than other programs at BU, athletic or academic. Every Dean or program director will protect his turf from micromanagement type oversight. It seems reality that a lot of athletes are "bad dudes" possessing behavioral issues for whatever reason, no matter the school; no matter the sport. Thus, they run afoul of what's legal as well as what's "right". However, none of BU's recruits had assault/rape convictions when recruited. At the end of it all, the football program issues could have been strongly corrected with lesser destructive methods. Baylor should have come clean on its utter mismanagement here in terms of Title 9 and its legal response to the women's charges. And, I fail to see why only one coach was responsible for a team's egregious behavior, unless it were only a few player involved. The business of college students sexual activities, by choice, are irrelevant to assault claims, unless an institution's intent is "defensive holier than thou". There's so many ingredients in this fetid stew that we should move on and toward some reconciliation as much as possible.
Add:Grunt is dead on.
This. Pretty much all of it.ursamajor said:
The Briles defenses are so extreme.
Was he worse than lots of other coaches across the country? Maybe not.
Did the BOR handle PR very poorly throughout that process? Yes.
Had Starr and the admin failed in setting up the best support structures? Obviously.
Were many of the players good people and good citizens? Surely.
But does that mean Briles didn't also set up a program with no control, shielded from oversight, willing to bring in players with legal and behavioral red flags, that contained two convicted of sexual assault and at least a few others who mistreated women? No it doesn't.
It's not always virtue signaling and PR. Sometimes people really are trying to make things better in the world.
There seems to be a misconception among certain Baylor fans that calling out our program for what it was under Briles is condemning every person involved with our program during that time as bad people. It's not.
We had a lot of good kids and a number of decent assistants in our program because most athletes and coaches -- like most people, in general -- hold themselves to accountable to strong moral convictions. But a program's (or company's) culture isn't determined by those people because they manage themselves. It's determined by how you handle those who need managing.
Briles brought more people in need of managing into his program than he should have and then didn't manage them at all. In fact, rather than holding them accountable to fair and universal standards, he explicitly shielded them from accountability when they stepped out of line. That's how you end up in the situation we found ourselves in. And it's not one that can be fixed with "I'm sorry's" and "I won't do it again's."
fredbear said:
His texts were clear. And no, my phone would not make me look like I condemned sexually abused women for their own rape. Cant make this stuff up. He clearly covered up what he knew and did not protect the victims of the perpetrators. I saw it with my own eyes. Win at all cost even raping and violence. There is NO context in which what he texted is ok. NONE. Would you like to provide us with a contextbthat might make shaming victims ok?
What did you see with your own eyes? Sounds like bs or hyperbole.
You decide how you want to see things here. It's over anyway but you are intentionally misstating my words on purpose or you lack the ability to comprehend my point. Congrats on never being sarcastic or making jokes on text. You are in the top 10% of good guy texters. His texts were manipulated by a hit job PR firm. Kind of like the media is saying Trump wants to put his opponents in jail because he said we have an enemy within. BS, not what he meant.
Baylor BOR PR hit firm had their marching orders and pushed the BOR agenda. And I saw that with my own eyes.
Excellent remarks sir. I agree with them 100%. Some athletes get into trouble in every university. Living outside Austin, it happens at UT frequently and you don't see any outcry for the coach to be fired or strung up. There was a reason that the Baylor Administration and Board handled the situation the way that they did. One reason was the press coverage I believe. ESPN was constantly berating Briles during that time, as if he was the worst human on the planet. And years later when the smoke had cleared, one would have to admit the picture was totally different in regards to Briles actions.
Plus much of the power structure in college football had reason to try and take down a coach from a small Baptist Private School who was giving it to traditional powerhouses like Texas and Oklahoma as well as others. My opinion is that our Board and Administration should have stood with courage against these forces but sadly they did not.
Plus much of the power structure in college football had reason to try and take down a coach from a small Baptist Private School who was giving it to traditional powerhouses like Texas and Oklahoma as well as others. My opinion is that our Board and Administration should have stood with courage against these forces but sadly they did not.
I have never agreed with a post as much as I do with this one. This was started and pushed by the radio station in Austin, The Horn. It closed down and I am so glad it did as it was so ignorant.gtownbear said:
Excellent remarks sir. I agree with them 100%. Some athletes get into trouble in every university. Living outside Austin, it happens at UT frequently and you don't see any outcry for the coach to be fired or strung up. There was a reason that the Baylor Administration and Board handled the situation the way that they did. One reason was the press coverage I believe. ESPN was constantly berating Briles during that time, as if he was the worst human on the planet. And years later when the smoke had cleared, one would have to admit the picture was totally different in regards to Briles actions.
Plus much of the power structure in college football had reason to try and take down a coach from a small Baptist Private School who was giving it to traditional powerhouses like Texas and Oklahoma as well as others. My opinion is that our Board and Administration should have stood with courage against these forces but sadly they did not.
Freaking Spot on! The Regents are the one who should have taken the sword at the get go.GruntTuff said:Briles was hired as a football coach. He was like 99% of the football coaches at his level during his time as a head coach. Is that a defense for him not being both a head coach and a future thinking Title IX believing guy? Of course not, but that was not his job. His job was to win and he did that better than any coach in Baylor's history.ursamajor said:
The Briles defenses are so extreme.
Was he worse than lots of other coaches across the country? Maybe not.
Did the BOR handle PR very poorly throughout that process? Yes.
Had Starr and the admin failed in setting up the best support structures? Obviously.
Were many of the players good people and good citizens? Surely.
But does that mean Briles didn't also set up a program with no control, shielded from oversight, willing to bring in players with legal and behavioral red flags, that contained two convicted of sexual assault and at least a few others who mistreated women? No it doesn't.
It's not always virtue signaling and PR. Sometimes people really are trying to make things better in the world.
The job of others was to set policy, adhere to law and lead the ENTIRE campus to be better in the area that the entire campus had problems.
Here's the difference, and if you can't get this, then my writing is a waste of time.
The other 99% of head coaches either had administrations that adhered to the law and set up procedures (which Briles would have happily followed) OR (and this is big) when they and the coaches failed, they circled the wagons.
Baylor elected to do it different than everyone else. They (the really guilty ones) panicked and decided that their careers and heritages were in doubt, and they elected to find a scapegoat. Briles was the easy target.
As I said in a prior post (and do a simple Google search if you don't believe me) danged near EVERY major college program in the years Briles was Baylor's head coach was equal or worse than Baylor in terms of numbers of assaults, etc. Those programs elected to circle the wagons.
They also decided to either strengthen their existing controls, or put them in place when they observed Baylor's stupidity.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink.
GruntTuff said:Briles was hired as a football coach. He was like 99% of the football coaches at his level during his time as a head coach. Is that a defense for him not being both a head coach and a future thinking Title IX believing guy? Of course not, but that was not his job. His job was to win and he did that better than any coach in Baylor's history.ursamajor said:
The Briles defenses are so extreme.
Was he worse than lots of other coaches across the country? Maybe not.
Did the BOR handle PR very poorly throughout that process? Yes.
Had Starr and the admin failed in setting up the best support structures? Obviously.
Were many of the players good people and good citizens? Surely.
But does that mean Briles didn't also set up a program with no control, shielded from oversight, willing to bring in players with legal and behavioral red flags, that contained two convicted of sexual assault and at least a few others who mistreated women? No it doesn't.
It's not always virtue signaling and PR. Sometimes people really are trying to make things better in the world.
The job of others was to set policy, adhere to law and lead the ENTIRE campus to be better in the area that the entire campus had problems.
Here's the difference, and if you can't get this, then my writing is a waste of time.
The other 99% of head coaches either had administrations that adhered to the law and set up procedures (which Briles would have happily followed) OR (and this is big) when they and the coaches failed, they circled the wagons.
Baylor elected to do it different than everyone else. They (the really guilty ones) panicked and decided that their careers and heritages were in doubt, and they elected to find a scapegoat. Briles was the easy target.
As I said in a prior post (and do a simple Google search if you don't believe me) danged near EVERY major college program in the years Briles was Baylor's head coach was equal or worse than Baylor in terms of numbers of assaults, etc. Those programs elected to circle the wagons.
They also decided to either strengthen their existing controls, or put them in place when they observed Baylor's stupidity.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make the horse drink.
The idea that someone earning millions of dollars and leading a multimillion dollar program only needs to worry about Xs and Os and winning games is just not realistic. That's not true in any industry.
We can all see that Baylor's admin messed up, too. In addition to failing to set up adequate structures, it invited continued press coverage, and the media was happy to oblige. Fair or not, when your university places it's identity in institutional sanctity, you open yourself to heightened scrutiny.
But it does no good to pretend Briles wasn't bringing in some shady dudes, or that several young women's lives weren't deeply affected as a result. And Briles was trying to shield these guys from press and police involvement. Do other schools get away with it? Of course. But should we defend it. No. The board's incompetence doesn't obviate the problems with the football program.
Briles got weirdly and uniquely black listed, in large part because of the media. But he also did himself no favors by refusing to acknowledge some very basic failings in his program. The fact he wouldn't suggests "circling the wagons" wouldn't have been a fix for our issues.
It amazes me still that during the era of Me Too that Baylor University convinced the mainstream news media that there was a black Baylor Football player behind every tree on campus just waiting to jump out and rape unsuspecting coeds. This should not have been acceptable, yet we allowed this to happen. Reputations and lives destroyed.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"
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-- Barack Obama
JP1037,
You are a conspiracy theorist. Thanks for the Trump remarks to confirm what I expected. If you think the board wanted to fire CAB, you have no idea what was going on in BU boardroom. That was the last thing that they wanted to do. Nothing to gain whatsoever. They did it as a reluctant necessity from the findings of CABs dumpster fire culture. Say whatever you wish as I will not respond again. Can't argue with fact deniers. CABs texts were all over the internet and never denied by him nor his lawyer. You don't tease about sexual assault. If that is what he was doing, I even think less of him.
You are a conspiracy theorist. Thanks for the Trump remarks to confirm what I expected. If you think the board wanted to fire CAB, you have no idea what was going on in BU boardroom. That was the last thing that they wanted to do. Nothing to gain whatsoever. They did it as a reluctant necessity from the findings of CABs dumpster fire culture. Say whatever you wish as I will not respond again. Can't argue with fact deniers. CABs texts were all over the internet and never denied by him nor his lawyer. You don't tease about sexual assault. If that is what he was doing, I even think less of him.
There was on bad dude (Elliott) who never played a down.
Sam U. was railroaded on racist date rape fabrication.
Look online - Briles was being celebrated at George's last night with the players.
Why do none of these idiots remember Briles was completely exonerated?
Sam U. was railroaded on racist date rape fabrication.
Look online - Briles was being celebrated at George's last night with the players.
Why do none of these idiots remember Briles was completely exonerated?
fredbear said:
JP1037,
You are a conspiracy theorist. Thanks for the Trump remarks to confirm what I expected. If you think the board wanted to fire CAB, you have no idea what was going on in BU boardroom. That was the last thing that they wanted to do. Nothing to gain whatsoever. They did it as a reluctant necessity from the findings of CABs dumpster fire culture. Say whatever you wish as I will not respond again. Can't argue with fact deniers. CABs texts were all over the internet and never denied by him nor his lawyer. You don't tease about sexual assault. If that is what he was doing, I even think less of him.
No Titke IX office? That was hardly Briles fault. A LOT of heads on the Board of Regents and Administration should have rolled that didn't. They made sure Briles took all the blame.
A position as Regent is not supposed to be a back slapping glad handing super Baptist. It's to oversee the university to make sure critical mistakes aren't made. They failed in a major way and escaped any accountability really.
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