Bearmanly said:

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He's so under the radar that the coaching staff didn't even connect the dots at first.

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Perhaps Sawyer hadn't connected the dots at first. I don't know. Are you certain? There are very few people that know why Finn was the game one starter and I doubt they are on this board.

How much will it cost Baylor next season to keep him?

hodedofome said:

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He's going to the NFL.

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Doubt it. He's not going better than the fourth round or so, and that's even if we win the next three. I've got no reason to think he wouldn't stay especially if Spav stays

ImABearToo said:

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How much will it cost Baylor next season to keep him?

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Whatever we paid Finn +10% is what I would throw out if I was his agent

hodedofome said:

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He's going to the NFL.

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eventually.

BellCountyBear said:

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Is there some contractual obligation to keep paying Finn? Seems like a bad investment.

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I hope you are asking this as a rhetorical question because none of the geniuses on this board would have a factual answer. But, of course that doesn't stop someone from saying they have seen the contract or talked to an "insider" that has. That said, you would think it would have been for a year since that is all the eligibility he had left, at least I think that is what I heard.

BellCountyBear said:

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Is there some contractual obligation to keep paying Finn? Seems like a bad investment.

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This is a good question. Do these guys sign contracts? If so, why don't we have a no transfer clause in the contracts and performance based incentives rather than outright payment. That is how the rest of the world works and that is what they want right??

Franky, I thought he should have played more last year.

I doubt a lot of, if any, NIL deals come with performance clauses, other than leaving the team or being dismissed. If they did it would seem to contradict the legality of pay for play, but not shocking.

I actually think we first need to make sure Spav stays - given the dramatic turnaround on offense - which is what is saving Aranda's job. Once Spav is secure for next year, make sure Robertson is next. Everything else should then fall into place.

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BellCountyBear said:

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Is there some contractual obligation to keep paying Finn? Seems like a bad investment.

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I hope you are asking this as a rhetorical question because none of the geniuses on this board would have a factual answer. But, of course that doesn't stop someone from saying they have seen the contract or talked to an "insider" that has. That said, you would think it would have been for a year since that is all the eligibility he had left, at least I think that is what I heard.

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Does everyone get bitter and smarmy when they pass 70 years old, or is it just you?

BellCountyBear said:

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Is there some contractual obligation to keep paying Finn? Seems like a bad investment.

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I have not heard of any teams using performance based NIL. Maybe it's out there and I just haven't heard about it.

It seems like so far these big sums are being paid at somewhat of a gamble.

This week many in the national media have decided to push a speculative narrative about Sawyer Robertson transferring this offseason.

So let’s take a look back at the reason he chose Baylor over the national runner ups TCU at the end of the 2022 season. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/XbsnSLSbkT

— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) November 21, 2024

Being a legitimately faith-based school gives us a true advantage for players who want faith-based lives.

And with those players' parents.

Too many other schools worship something far different than at Baylor.

Johnny Bear said:

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Based on the current 4 game winning streak and what he's done over the course of those 4 games I'm wondering if Robertson is presently the best under the radar QB in the country that beyond those who routinely follow the Big 12 relatively few know about.

Thoughts?

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He's becoming less and less of a secret

Preposterous stat line from Baylor QB Sawyer Robertson 📈 pic.twitter.com/0yClh1gTix

— CFB Kings (@CFBKings) November 30, 2024

Daveisabovereproach said:

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He actually gets a lot of good press, and he could garner some lucrative offers if he wanted to throw his name into the portal. Need to hold onto him

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It wouldnt make sense for him to leave. We can pay him a competitive offer, we have weapons on this team (Cameron & Washington), we have an offensive system that he knows and can run very effectively, we have a solid class coming in and are set up to make a legit run at the b12 championship next year.

I don't see him leaving. But I wouldn't totally count it out. He may get a deal that's hard to refuse. That's the world in which college football exists today.

I do not think QB1s from P4 schools leave very often unless it's for a grad transfer degree. I am not saying it can't happen I just don't think it happens often.

I also look at the programs that are "bigger"than Baylor and how many of those do not have a QB who was a 4 or 5 star coming out of high school.

I think if you are an Ohio State and always bring a senior transfer QB in to start, it impacts your ability to recruit younger players. You have to be careful when you are a mega program.

I am also of course concerned about losing BWash as well as Sawyer.

The profile of player Baylor recruits is critical to holding them with our program.

Fairly decent odds we lose a player we didn't really expect to lose, just because that's the way it is. Hopefully it won't happen, and we can fill a few other key spots as well..

MRPorter7635 said:

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I do not think QB1s from P4 schools leave very often unless it's for a grad transfer degree. I am not saying it can't happen I just don't think it happens often.

I also look at the programs that are "bigger"than Baylor and how many of those do not have a QB who was a 4 or 5 star coming out of high school.

I think if you are an Ohio State and always bring a senior transfer QB in to start, it impacts your ability to recruit younger players. You have to be careful when you are a mega program.

I am also off course concerned about losing BWash as well as Sawyer.

The profile of player Baylor recruits is critical to holding them with our program.

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Of course anything is possible, but listening to BWash and Sawyer after the game on Saturday, it certainly didn't sound like anyone was looking to go elsewhere. They both talked about the culture here.

It it worth remembering also that this board was full of "experts" last year who were telling us we would lose half the team to the portal. There is something going on in the locker room (positive) that is beyond the view or opinion of most posters on this board.

It isn't all about money. Location and who you are working with matters. I and other friends during my working career had plenty of offers to go to places for significantly higher pay. Both the positives of where we were made all the difference that those offers couldn't overcome. That may be the attitude in that locker room, at least I hope it is so.

I agree with your assessment of what they said in the presser after the game, and hope they are returning and will both graduate from Baylor!

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I think if you are an Ohio State and always bring a senior transfer QB in to start, it impacts your ability to recruit younger players. You have to be careful when you are a mega program.

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Doesn't seem to be impacting Ohio St. They have the #3 ranked QB in '25 already in this class and are expected to get a commitment from the #2 ranked QB in '26 class in two weeks.

Ohio State was meant as an example.

Does not seem to have impacted this year, that we know about. A recruit could have passed on Ohio State because of what they did with Will Howard and we would never know about it.

I also understand these mega programs will always be able to find someone to come to their program. But it may affect some of the recruits and make it more difficult for them.

If a kid is being recruited by Georgia and Ohio State, one has a history of bringing in transfers to start ahead of you, would it push you to a school who has a history of playing their own recruits?

It would matter to me.

I don't know why he would want to leave. I think it would have to be the perfect storm; Something like losing Spav and Bryson Washington. I don't think that happens. Even if we lost spav, I firmly believe we would hire a solid spread option replacement they could take players from the portal and fit them into his system in one offseason - It's what you have to do in modern college football anyway. I've learned not to get too attached to successful coaches, players, and recruits

Daveisabovereproach said:

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I've learned not to get too attached to successful coaches, players, and recruits

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THIS is the mindset college football fans need to have in order to not be depressed every year. While I would love consistency in coaches and static rosters, it ain't happening. The face of college football is already starting to look a little bit like the NFL ... Youngish smart dudes who just coach ball with whomever they are given, year after year. Also seeing more of a movement to football GM positions (i.e. Andrew Luck at Stanford). Build what you can quickly, play your best, get a new hand, do it again, rinse/lather/repeat.

PaperBear89 said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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I've learned not to get too attached to successful coaches, players, and recruits

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THIS is the mindset college football fans need to have in order to not be depressed every year. While I would love consistency in coaches and static rosters, it ain't happening. The face of college football is already starting to look a little bit like the NFL ... Youngish smart dudes who just coach ball with whomever they are given, year after year. Also seeing more of a movement to football GM positions (i.e. Andrew Luck at Stanford). Build what you can quickly, play your best, get a new hand, do it again, rinse/lather/repeat.

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Agree with this too. We had several key contributors that we pulled out of the portal this last year. We should be an even more attractive destination now. We can find key players again.

With that said....I'm still really hoping we hang on to Sawyer, Bryson, and Spav.

Let's hope we back the Brinks truck up and he decides to stay

PaperBear89 said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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I've learned not to get too attached to successful coaches, players, and recruits

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THIS is the mindset college football fans need to have in order to not be depressed every year. While I would love consistency in coaches and static rosters, it ain't happening. The face of college football is already starting to look a little bit like the NFL ... Youngish smart dudes who just coach ball with whomever they are given, year after year. Also seeing more of a movement to football GM positions (i.e. Andrew Luck at Stanford). Build what you can quickly, play your best, get a new hand, do it again, rinse/lather/repeat.

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It is worse. The NFL has contracts that bind a player to a team for some period. NCAA is full free agency at any time.