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The number they have for BU does not match what BU has on their website. Current COA is $74,000 at BU. Maybe they pulled last year's data.
I know most BU students aren't paying full sticker...but that is the published COA.
I know most BU students aren't paying full sticker...but that is the published COA.
We're conveniently located and have outstanding faculty. Plus live bears. No bears at Lubbock. Worth it.
Let’s Go!
We are on the cheaper side of the private schools
All so disgustingly overpriced.
Tuition and fees is all that matters. I have to pay for my kids to have a place to live and eat and stay alive no matter what.
RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal social stuff you get at the State schools (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
Robert Wilson said:
Tuition and fees is all that matters. I have to pay for my kids to have a place to live and eat and stay alive no matter what.
The eating part yes....but not necessarily the living part if they start the first 2 years at a community college nearby.
I know that's not nearly the college experience that starting at the 4 year is....but it is an option depending on major.
Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
I visited the new Baylor visitor center and talked to a student recruiter. She told me that 80 percent of students get reduced tuition. Only wealthy families pay the full tuition.
chorne68 said:
I visited the new Baylor visitor center and talked to a student recruiter. She told me that 80 percent of students get reduced tuition. Only wealthy families pay the full tuition.
If we're talking about a good student that graduated from a quality high school, even a number of those "wealthy families" aren't paying full price. Regardless of your financial status, if your only option is paying full sticker, then - even as much as I love BU - I agree it isn't worth it. And that goes for just about any other private school as well.
Baylor being more liberal than Liberty and Bob Jones University doesn't put them anywhere near the same stratosphere as UT in terms of all of the things you're talking about. Baylor absolutely distinguishes itself from those other schools. At Baylor I had professors pray in class, every major event on campus is lead by prayer, there are scriptures inscribed on most of the buildings, the schools official policy still affirms biblical sexual relations as those being between a man and a woman, in the context of marriage. They simply allow an LGBTQ club to exist on campus, but do not advocate for said group. Also, idk if you've been to a Baylor sporting event lately, but the majority of fans are still overwhelmingly white - I don't think a bunch of "DEI racism" is taking over the school simply because Baylor decided to put up a couple of statues honoring the first black students on campus and has tried to honor our history while still acknowledging that some of our founders were party to the atrocities of slavery.Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
Why does it have to be all or nothing to you folks? I graduated from Baylor and also went to graduate school at a flagship state university and can tell you with 100% certainty that the religious and Christian aspects of Baylor are still in stark contrast to 99% of major universities.
However, you are right, most people probably don't need to spend what the cost of a Baylor education is. But not for the ridiculous reasons you've stated.
guadalupeoso said:1. Baylor being more liberal than Liberty and Bob Jones University doesn't put them anywhere near the same stratosphere as UT in terms of all of the things you're talking about.Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
2. I don't think a bunch of "DEI racism" is taking over the school simply because Baylor decided to put up a couple of statues honoring the first black students on campus and has tried to honor our history
1. Just for our conversation is important to note that UT just banned DEI programs on its campus in accordance with the wishes of the Texas legislature (obviously Baylor is not required to do that and has not volunteered to stop its DEI initiatives) and UT has agreed to try and start hiring more ideologically diverse candidates in its hiring process and hire some conservative professors.
2. Baylor did not just add statues....they took down a statue, renamed parts of campus, and even kicked off some bells from our campus because of "racism" and added scholarships for those "who demonstrate a commitment to racial equality and diversity"
That is what people are naturally upset about....and more than the statues its shows the kind of ideological thinking that is now ascendant on campus among the leadership and the professors
Even some bells have to go apparently...
3. You mention the religious aspect of Baylor that is true....but have not explained how that negates his point that its a socially liberal university with a little religious aspect sprinkled on top....all that for 70K a year and people will ask if its worth it
His reasons are certainly not "ridiculous"
Its up to everyone to decide for themselves if the current year Baylor is worth the price
Agreed. Plenty of prayer all around. Haven't experienced DEI in my contacts with the university. The horror that dancing and music are allowed on campus and girls can wear shorts. How terrible…
The cost is high and unfortunately Baylor has fallen victim like every other university/college to administrative bloat. Armies of administrators the students and parents never interact with doing who knows what besides causing high costs to families and headaches to good professors.
The cost is high and unfortunately Baylor has fallen victim like every other university/college to administrative bloat. Armies of administrators the students and parents never interact with doing who knows what besides causing high costs to families and headaches to good professors.
ive never met a single Baylor Bear who has paid full sticker price. These numbers are quite mis-leading. Baylor is pretty generous with its scholarship allocations
Agreed that it's misleading, but it's primarily misleading because Rice, UT and A&M are generally not accessible to most families due to various factors. Their inclusion otherwise presents them as bargains.
Bear2014 said:
ive never met a single Baylor Bear who has paid full sticker price. These numbers are quite mis-leading. Baylor is pretty generous with its scholarship allocations
I paid full price but that number was at $25 per semester hour. Nobody got a price break except preacher's kids.
His post implies "What's the point of sending my kid to Baylor when they are basically just going to get the same experience as at UT (from a social and political standpoint)?" Which is just not true at all and it's ridiculous to think that.Redbrickbear said:guadalupeoso said:1. Baylor being more liberal than Liberty and Bob Jones University doesn't put them anywhere near the same stratosphere as UT in terms of all of the things you're talking about.Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
2. I don't think a bunch of "DEI racism" is taking over the school simply because Baylor decided to put up a couple of statues honoring the first black students on campus and has tried to honor our history
1. Just for our conversation is important to note that UT just banned DEI programs on its campus in accordance with the wishes of the Texas legislature (obviously Baylor is not required to do that and has not volunteered to stop its DEI initiatives) and UT has agreed to try and start hiring more ideologically diverse candidates in its hiring process and hire some conservative professors.
2. Baylor did not just add statues....they took down a statue, renamed parts of campus, and even kicked off some bells from our campus because of "racism" and added scholarships for those "who demonstrate a commitment to racial equality and diversity"
That is what people are naturally upset about....and more than the statues its shows the kind of ideological thinking that is now ascendant on campus among the leadership and the professors
Even some bells have to go apparently...
3. You mention the religious aspect of Baylor that is true....but have not explained how that negates his point that its a socially liberal university with a little religious aspect sprinkled on top....all that for 70K a year and people will ask if its worth it
His reasons are certainly not "ridiculous"
Its up to everyone to decide for themselves if the current year Baylor is worth the price
Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
Yup. Baylor is a good but not elite academic institution. My courses were challenging, and good grades certainly aren't handed out like candy if you don't put solid effort into studying. The price tag is really for the experience. However, paying for the picturesque college experience nowadays is becoming an upper class thing. Outside of a couple degree programs, I don't feel that Baylor is worth the current price tag. I haven't found that companies put a lot of weight into where you went to school after you've been in the workforce for a few years years and have developed your own skillset. For most fields, having a degree is basically a checkbox on an application if you don't have some connection at that company
guadalupeoso said:His post implies "What's the point of sending my kid to Baylor when they are basically just going to get the same experience as at UT (from a social and political standpoint)?" Which is just not true at all and it's ridiculous to think that.Redbrickbear said:guadalupeoso said:1. Baylor being more liberal than Liberty and Bob Jones University doesn't put them anywhere near the same stratosphere as UT in terms of all of the things you're talking about.Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
2. I don't think a bunch of "DEI racism" is taking over the school simply because Baylor decided to put up a couple of statues honoring the first black students on campus and has tried to honor our history
1. Just for our conversation is important to note that UT just banned DEI programs on its campus in accordance with the wishes of the Texas legislature (obviously Baylor is not required to do that and has not volunteered to stop its DEI initiatives) and UT has agreed to try and start hiring more ideologically diverse candidates in its hiring process and hire some conservative professors.
2. Baylor did not just add statues....they took down a statue, renamed parts of campus, and even kicked off some bells from our campus because of "racism" and added scholarships for those "who demonstrate a commitment to racial equality and diversity"
That is what people are naturally upset about....and more than the statues its shows the kind of ideological thinking that is now ascendant on campus among the leadership and the professors
Even some bells have to go apparently...
3. You mention the religious aspect of Baylor that is true....but have not explained how that negates his point that its a socially liberal university with a little religious aspect sprinkled on top....all that for 70K a year and people will ask if its worth it
His reasons are certainly not "ridiculous"
Its up to everyone to decide for themselves if the current year Baylor is worth the price
I personally don't care about the statues and think the DEI stuff is a bit overblown, but Baylor absolutely has shifted ideologically to the left, and it really doesn't have a great reputation in the conservative Christian world outside of big mega Southern Baptist churches, and I would argue that there's also a sense of detachment growing there as well
This from the Google AI genius:
"As of the third quarter of 2024, the total student loan debt in the United States is about $1.77 trillion. This is a significant increase from the first quarter of 2006, when the total was $480.9 billion."
Both numbers are ridiculous - the whole cost of higher education is out of control and unsustainable. The craziness accelerated with the de-privatizing (ie federal government takeover) of the student loan market - the more government takes over an industry - the more the price to value proposition becomes highly distorted - health care - same thing.
I do think more and more young people and parents are starting to wake up to this problem. I think we may see a lot of sub par private colleges go belly up over the next 10 years.
"As of the third quarter of 2024, the total student loan debt in the United States is about $1.77 trillion. This is a significant increase from the first quarter of 2006, when the total was $480.9 billion."
Both numbers are ridiculous - the whole cost of higher education is out of control and unsustainable. The craziness accelerated with the de-privatizing (ie federal government takeover) of the student loan market - the more government takes over an industry - the more the price to value proposition becomes highly distorted - health care - same thing.
I do think more and more young people and parents are starting to wake up to this problem. I think we may see a lot of sub par private colleges go belly up over the next 10 years.
Truly outrageous.
Those that plan and administer operating budgets and expenditures and set tuition rates have lost all concept of prudent financial management. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Those that plan and administer operating budgets and expenditures and set tuition rates have lost all concept of prudent financial management. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Double.
Again, shifting to the left and saying, "Well Baylor is really no different ideologically than UT or any other state school" are not the same thing. Yes, Baylor is more liberal than Liberty, Pensacola Christian, Oral Roberts, (we allow our female students to show their ankles, students to stay out past 9:30 p.m. on a school night, dancing, *gasp* secular music) etc., but it is still a farcry from what you find at state schools.Daveisabovereproach said:guadalupeoso said:His post implies "What's the point of sending my kid to Baylor when they are basically just going to get the same experience as at UT (from a social and political standpoint)?" Which is just not true at all and it's ridiculous to think that.Redbrickbear said:guadalupeoso said:1. Baylor being more liberal than Liberty and Bob Jones University doesn't put them anywhere near the same stratosphere as UT in terms of all of the things you're talking about.Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
2. I don't think a bunch of "DEI racism" is taking over the school simply because Baylor decided to put up a couple of statues honoring the first black students on campus and has tried to honor our history
1. Just for our conversation is important to note that UT just banned DEI programs on its campus in accordance with the wishes of the Texas legislature (obviously Baylor is not required to do that and has not volunteered to stop its DEI initiatives) and UT has agreed to try and start hiring more ideologically diverse candidates in its hiring process and hire some conservative professors.
2. Baylor did not just add statues....they took down a statue, renamed parts of campus, and even kicked off some bells from our campus because of "racism" and added scholarships for those "who demonstrate a commitment to racial equality and diversity"
That is what people are naturally upset about....and more than the statues its shows the kind of ideological thinking that is now ascendant on campus among the leadership and the professors
Even some bells have to go apparently...
3. You mention the religious aspect of Baylor that is true....but have not explained how that negates his point that its a socially liberal university with a little religious aspect sprinkled on top....all that for 70K a year and people will ask if its worth it
His reasons are certainly not "ridiculous"
Its up to everyone to decide for themselves if the current year Baylor is worth the price
I personally don't care about the statues and think the DEI stuff is a bit overblown, but Baylor absolutely has shifted ideologically to the left, and it really doesn't have a great reputation in the conservative Christian world outside of big mega Southern Baptist churches, and I would argue that there's also a sense of detachment growing there as well
guadalupeoso said:Again, shifting to the left and saying, "Well Baylor is really no different ideologically than UT or any other state school" are not the same thing. Yes, Baylor is more liberal than Liberty, Pensacola Christian, Oral Roberts, (we allow our female students to show their ankles, students to stay out past 9:30 p.m. on a school night, dancing, *gasp* secular music) etc., but it is still a farcry from what you find at state schools.Daveisabovereproach said:guadalupeoso said:His post implies "What's the point of sending my kid to Baylor when they are basically just going to get the same experience as at UT (from a social and political standpoint)?" Which is just not true at all and it's ridiculous to think that.Redbrickbear said:guadalupeoso said:1. Baylor being more liberal than Liberty and Bob Jones University doesn't put them anywhere near the same stratosphere as UT in terms of all of the things you're talking about.Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
2. I don't think a bunch of "DEI racism" is taking over the school simply because Baylor decided to put up a couple of statues honoring the first black students on campus and has tried to honor our history
1. Just for our conversation is important to note that UT just banned DEI programs on its campus in accordance with the wishes of the Texas legislature (obviously Baylor is not required to do that and has not volunteered to stop its DEI initiatives) and UT has agreed to try and start hiring more ideologically diverse candidates in its hiring process and hire some conservative professors.
2. Baylor did not just add statues....they took down a statue, renamed parts of campus, and even kicked off some bells from our campus because of "racism" and added scholarships for those "who demonstrate a commitment to racial equality and diversity"
That is what people are naturally upset about....and more than the statues its shows the kind of ideological thinking that is now ascendant on campus among the leadership and the professors
Even some bells have to go apparently...
3. You mention the religious aspect of Baylor that is true....but have not explained how that negates his point that its a socially liberal university with a little religious aspect sprinkled on top....all that for 70K a year and people will ask if its worth it
His reasons are certainly not "ridiculous"
Its up to everyone to decide for themselves if the current year Baylor is worth the price
I personally don't care about the statues and think the DEI stuff is a bit overblown, but Baylor absolutely has shifted ideologically to the left, and it really doesn't have a great reputation in the conservative Christian world outside of big mega Southern Baptist churches, and I would argue that there's also a sense of detachment growing there as well
BU might not be like ut-Austin or Pensacola Christian
But it feels like it's becoming a lot more like TCU
guadalupeoso said:Again, shifting to the left and saying, "Well Baylor is really no different ideologically than UT or any other state school" are not the same thing. Yes, Baylor is more liberal than Liberty, Pensacola Christian, Oral Roberts, (we allow our female students to show their ankles, students to stay out past 9:30 p.m. on a school night, dancing, *gasp* secular music) etc., but it is still a farcry from what you find at state schools.Daveisabovereproach said:guadalupeoso said:His post implies "What's the point of sending my kid to Baylor when they are basically just going to get the same experience as at UT (from a social and political standpoint)?" Which is just not true at all and it's ridiculous to think that.Redbrickbear said:guadalupeoso said:1. Baylor being more liberal than Liberty and Bob Jones University doesn't put them anywhere near the same stratosphere as UT in terms of all of the things you're talking about.Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
2. I don't think a bunch of "DEI racism" is taking over the school simply because Baylor decided to put up a couple of statues honoring the first black students on campus and has tried to honor our history
1. Just for our conversation is important to note that UT just banned DEI programs on its campus in accordance with the wishes of the Texas legislature (obviously Baylor is not required to do that and has not volunteered to stop its DEI initiatives) and UT has agreed to try and start hiring more ideologically diverse candidates in its hiring process and hire some conservative professors.
2. Baylor did not just add statues....they took down a statue, renamed parts of campus, and even kicked off some bells from our campus because of "racism" and added scholarships for those "who demonstrate a commitment to racial equality and diversity"
That is what people are naturally upset about....and more than the statues its shows the kind of ideological thinking that is now ascendant on campus among the leadership and the professors
Even some bells have to go apparently...
3. You mention the religious aspect of Baylor that is true....but have not explained how that negates his point that its a socially liberal university with a little religious aspect sprinkled on top....all that for 70K a year and people will ask if its worth it
His reasons are certainly not "ridiculous"
Its up to everyone to decide for themselves if the current year Baylor is worth the price
I personally don't care about the statues and think the DEI stuff is a bit overblown, but Baylor absolutely has shifted ideologically to the left, and it really doesn't have a great reputation in the conservative Christian world outside of big mega Southern Baptist churches, and I would argue that there's also a sense of detachment growing there as well
*Double post
More like TCU than we were 25 years ago, but still not that similar to TCU. I have been to a lot of Baylor events over the last few years and still find that the Gospel of Christ is proclaimed and celebrated in the open. The University constantly finds ways in their messaging, marketing, social media, and in-person to emphasize that our hope and our University's mission lies in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.Redbrickbear said:guadalupeoso said:Again, shifting to the left and saying, "Well Baylor is really no different ideologically than UT or any other state school" are not the same thing. Yes, Baylor is more liberal than Liberty, Pensacola Christian, Oral Roberts, (we allow our female students to show their ankles, students to stay out past 9:30 p.m. on a school night, dancing, *gasp* secular music) etc., but it is still a farcry from what you find at state schools.Daveisabovereproach said:guadalupeoso said:His post implies "What's the point of sending my kid to Baylor when they are basically just going to get the same experience as at UT (from a social and political standpoint)?" Which is just not true at all and it's ridiculous to think that.Redbrickbear said:guadalupeoso said:1. Baylor being more liberal than Liberty and Bob Jones University doesn't put them anywhere near the same stratosphere as UT in terms of all of the things you're talking about.Robert Wilson said:Redbrickbear said:RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
I had a great time at BU….but I also assume most people don't need to pay 70k a year for a college education.
Especially one that now gives you all the standard liberal stuff (LGBTQ clubs, DEI racism, anti-American historical revisionism, etc)
That 100% is Baylor's problem. I make a lot of money, but I don't wanna waste it. My kids are very good students. Baylor has done nothing to distinguish itself. We do everything all of the state schools do, just on a 5 year lag. So if I can send my kid to UT for about 10k a year, why would I not just do that? Then my kids can go ahead and start sorting out all the social debates on their own. Or I can pay five times that for them to go to Baylor, who will just throw a bunch of Jesus juice on top of the same DEI bull****, and the degree is worth the same or less in the market. If anything, that's just more confusing. I would just as soon my kids go to a completely secular institution and understand how they are situated vs the world, rather than them go to Baylor, which will package up a bunch of the same bull**** in some Christian wrapping paper.
2. I don't think a bunch of "DEI racism" is taking over the school simply because Baylor decided to put up a couple of statues honoring the first black students on campus and has tried to honor our history
1. Just for our conversation is important to note that UT just banned DEI programs on its campus in accordance with the wishes of the Texas legislature (obviously Baylor is not required to do that and has not volunteered to stop its DEI initiatives) and UT has agreed to try and start hiring more ideologically diverse candidates in its hiring process and hire some conservative professors.
2. Baylor did not just add statues....they took down a statue, renamed parts of campus, and even kicked off some bells from our campus because of "racism" and added scholarships for those "who demonstrate a commitment to racial equality and diversity"
That is what people are naturally upset about....and more than the statues its shows the kind of ideological thinking that is now ascendant on campus among the leadership and the professors
Even some bells have to go apparently...
3. You mention the religious aspect of Baylor that is true....but have not explained how that negates his point that its a socially liberal university with a little religious aspect sprinkled on top....all that for 70K a year and people will ask if its worth it
His reasons are certainly not "ridiculous"
Its up to everyone to decide for themselves if the current year Baylor is worth the price
I personally don't care about the statues and think the DEI stuff is a bit overblown, but Baylor absolutely has shifted ideologically to the left, and it really doesn't have a great reputation in the conservative Christian world outside of big mega Southern Baptist churches, and I would argue that there's also a sense of detachment growing there as well
BU might not be like ut-Austin or Pensacola Christian
But it feels like it's becoming a lot more like TCU
Have they given ground on some cultural/social issues over the last 10 years? Yes, and I understand why that is frustrating to many alums. Are they still a distinctly Christian university, separated from a vast majority of their peers in that regard? The answer is unequivocally yes.
That is very true but when Baylor's own website shows $81K as annual tuition - who really takes the school seriously?Bear2014 said:
ive never met a single Baylor Bear who has paid full sticker price. These numbers are quite mis-leading. Baylor is pretty generous with its scholarship allocations
My son graduates this year from a private school; 3.95 / 4.00 in a Classical model. 32/36 ACT, 1450/1600 SAT and after scholarships, Baylor would end up costing $41k annually.
He can attend Oklahoma State for less than $20K with all the scholarships he is receiving - it's a no brainer. UT, ATM, Purdue, Arkansas, OU are all schools he has been accepted to and are all cheaper than Baylor....Heck, Northwestern came close to being less than Baylor.
Let's be clear - FAFSA is a joke. It's a data grab and most people on this site kids won't qualify for any aid, just loans (which is bad enough)
While there is spoken concern about Baylor's Christian influence - at some point, your kids need to live in the real world....Baylor "Christian" environment is not worth the added $80-$100k over other options.
My daughter ended up going to Creighton. She was a 34 on the ACT and over a 4.0 at a really competitive high school with multiple AP courses.
Baylor was significantly higher in total cost than Creighton. (20k more Baylor)
I gave the numbers to Baylor, as an alumni I wanted her to go to Baylor. I was told by the Financial Aid office "I could afford what they were offering."
Yeah, no. I make good money, I do not make great money.
My daughter graduated from Creighton Magna Cum Laude after 3.5 years. I also would have had my son go to Baylor but after my experience with the admissions team and financial aid, I did not even have him apply.
Baylor is not TCU and is much more conservative than either school my kids went to. I would have preferred them attend Baylor, but the financial aspects of tuition are real and they do matter.
Baylor was significantly higher in total cost than Creighton. (20k more Baylor)
I gave the numbers to Baylor, as an alumni I wanted her to go to Baylor. I was told by the Financial Aid office "I could afford what they were offering."
Yeah, no. I make good money, I do not make great money.
My daughter graduated from Creighton Magna Cum Laude after 3.5 years. I also would have had my son go to Baylor but after my experience with the admissions team and financial aid, I did not even have him apply.
Baylor is not TCU and is much more conservative than either school my kids went to. I would have preferred them attend Baylor, but the financial aspects of tuition are real and they do matter.
100%, so glad I got to finish my degree at Baylor back in the day, I for sure wouldn't be going there 2024!RiskyBizz Bear said:
All so disgustingly overpriced.
My daughter got (probably not remembering the name) President scholarship(???) or something like that. Seems like we paid around $20k all in first year and then she got fellowship support because of the lab she worked in.
And she has maintained a mentor/mentee relationship with a professor who now serves on her dissertation committee at UH.
I'm just saying I realize how expensive BU is. But I also have seen how much the staff continue to support their students with opportunities for aid and once they graduate they are still connected and supportive. YMMV
My son is in a similar situation, got an athletic scholarship and the school "made up" the rest with academic scholarships. Technically that's a Lutheran university but still, small, private, D1.
There are more esoteric benefits to a small and private education. Just like at your work, you can access help if you need and not be a number. Sic'em.
It was expensive in the 80s too. Just sayin
And she has maintained a mentor/mentee relationship with a professor who now serves on her dissertation committee at UH.
I'm just saying I realize how expensive BU is. But I also have seen how much the staff continue to support their students with opportunities for aid and once they graduate they are still connected and supportive. YMMV
My son is in a similar situation, got an athletic scholarship and the school "made up" the rest with academic scholarships. Technically that's a Lutheran university but still, small, private, D1.
There are more esoteric benefits to a small and private education. Just like at your work, you can access help if you need and not be a number. Sic'em.
It was expensive in the 80s too. Just sayin
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