A song for the Longhorn nation

Married A Horn said:

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The 12 team format is so much better than the sec Invitational.

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I agree I think 16 would be even better. I know some hate it but I'm not sure why but NIL, the portal, the expanded play off has done significantly more to help non blue bloods than anything in the history of college athletics. The radical idea of scholarship limits of the late 60s or early 70s is really nothing compared to this.

Yes the double edged sword is chaos and a program can go from bad to good or even great back to bad or mediocre and then back to good or great, all in the span of 4 seasons. But this can happen to blue bloods now as well, such as OU, USC and Michigan.

PartyBear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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The 12 team format is so much better than the sec Invitational.

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I agree I think 16 would be even better. I know some hate it but I'm not sure why but NIL, the portal, the expanded play off has done significantly more to help non blue bloods than anything in the history of college athletics. The radical idea of scholarship limits of the late 60s or early 70s is really nothing compared to this.

Yes the double edged sword is chaos and a program can go from bad to good or even great back to bad or mediocre and then back to good or great, all in the span of 4 seasons. But this can happen to blue bloods now as well, such as OU, USC and Michigan.

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I'm with you. Get to 16 teams, get rid of the byes, ensure that every power conference gets two teams in and this thing will be perfect.

There's so much off the field I hate about modern college sports (particularly the greed, conflicts of interest and and intentional lack of order), but on the field, this has been the best/most fun college football season in my lifetime.

Since Roll Tide, Go Vols "country rap" dropped, SEC hasn't appeared in the national championship pic.twitter.com/QZNhnFkmJB

— CFB Home (@CFBHome) January 11, 2025

I'm not that impressed with this year's 12-team post season invitational football tournament. It sure as hell ain't a playoff.

Redbrickbear said:

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Since Roll Tide, Go Vols "country rap" dropped, SEC hasn't appeared in the national championship pic.twitter.com/QZNhnFkmJB

— CFB Home (@CFBHome) January 11, 2025

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I honestly have never heard of this…. And wish somehow I never had after watching a few seconds of it

Dia del DougO said:

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I'm not that impressed with this year's 12-team post season invitational football tournament. It sure as hell ain't a playoff.

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What would you have liked to see differently?

BellCountyBear said:

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Why not just have a 64-team, 4 division (regional) NFL-prep league and cut out all this voting nonsense? Completely remove the emotional bias from the equation.

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This.

Any real playoff has a legit "play-in." There are no opinions, no committee, no creative seeding or home field, it all has to be determined by playing games and having all spots determined by what happens on the field. Everyone knows those qualifications by the first snap of the season. All tie-brakers are spelled out, you know what you have to do to make the playoffs.

Seeds are determined the same way. The only thing left to be determined by a governing body is the day and time.

And none of that will happen until the overall governing body can also set the conference/division set-up. That includes every team being in a conference.

It seems unlikely to happen in our lifetimes.

The more they keep tweaking it, the more the old bowl system proves far better for the quality of games and the enjoyment of college football in the post-season.

The two fan bases of the God awful teams have made it to the finals. It definitely helped that both of them avoided a Conference Championship game.

END THOSE WORTHLESS CCG's now!

Pecos 45 said:

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Well, so much for the SEC being dominant.
And what about Lane Kiffin saying the SEC is just a step below the NFL?
Did you fake an injury timeout to have time to think about that one?

Me?
I'm personally sad to see the Longhorns lose last night.
Now we have an all-Yankee national championship game.

Wait til next year has officially begun.

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If you argued the SEC is a just a step below the Titans, then that speaks volumes on SEC football quality.

The SEC is getting cooked right now 😂pic.twitter.com/5z9wyG9nxb

— Will Compton (@_willcompton) January 11, 2025

Dia del DougO said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Why not just have a 64-team, 4 division (regional) NFL-prep league and cut out all this voting nonsense? Completely remove the emotional bias from the equation.

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This.

Any real playoff has a legit "play-in." There are no opinions, no committee, no creative seeding or home field, it all has to be determined by playing games and having all spots determined by what happens on the field. Everyone knows those qualifications by the first snap of the season. All tie-brakers are spelled out, you know what you have to do to make the playoffs.

Seeds are determined the same way. The only thing left to be determined by a governing body is the day and time.

And none of that will happen until the overall governing body can also set the conference/division set-up. That includes every team being in a conference.

It seems unlikely to happen in our lifetimes.

The more they keep tweaking it, the more the old bowl system proves far better for the quality of games and the enjoyment of college football in the post-season.

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At least with 12 teams it is played out on the field more than with 4 teams.

But remember in every major sport you can have a team win a division that makes the playoffs and a team with a better record that doesn't win their division and is barely in the playoffs or occasionally left out of the playoffs. Therefore it still is not truly "decided on the field."

Dia del DougO said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Why not just have a 64-team, 4 division (regional) NFL-prep league and cut out all this voting nonsense? Completely remove the emotional bias from the equation.

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This.

Any real playoff has a legit "play-in." There are no opinions, no committee, no creative seeding or home field, it all has to be determined by playing games and having all spots determined by what happens on the field. Everyone knows those qualifications by the first snap of the season. All tie-brakers are spelled out, you know what you have to do to make the playoffs.

Seeds are determined the same way. The only thing left to be determined by a governing body is the day and time.

And none of that will happen until the overall governing body can also set the conference/division set-up. That includes every team being in a conference.

It seems unlikely to happen in our lifetimes.

The more they keep tweaking it, the more the old bowl system proves far better for the quality of games and the enjoyment of college football in the post-season.

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Nor should it happen in our lifetime.

The current model is legit. Win your P4 conference, and you are guaranteed a spot in the tournament. Seems like a pretty simple requirement there. That is something we never had in play before this year.

Don't win your conference, then you may or may not get in, depending on your body of work.

Going beyond 16 teams would be overkill at this point.

And a 64-team playoff is not even close to being realistic, as you would completely make the regular season meaningless.

This isn't Texas High School football, where now half the teams in the state make the postseason (I can remember when only 2 schools from a district made the playoffs, and there was only one champion for each classification - none of this Division 1 or Division 2 mess).

For those of you arguing for more guaranteed access beyond just conference champions, then you would have to accept that more challenging out of conference games are necessary for now (at least if you are a Big XII or ACC team). That's the only way that a team like BYU could get into the current setup as a 2-loss non-champion.

But then again, we have some on this board who applaud teams like Indiana for going 11-1 with a weak sauce schedule. So you might have trouble scheduling matchups against the SEC and Big Ten teams at the moment.

I mean, if I'm a team like Indiana, then why would I schedule a risky matchup, when I can play a bunch of powder puff teams and know that folks are simply going to drool over my record at the end of the day and ignore that I played the equivalent of a District 13-5A schedule?

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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The two fan bases of the God awful teams have made it to the finals. It definitely helped that both of them avoided a Conference Championship game.

END THOSE WORTHLESS CCG's now!

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They are incredibly irrelevant now. I'm sure Georgia wishes they didn't make the conference championship game since they lost their quarterback.

jsstewar said:

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Pecos 45 said:

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Well, so much for the SEC being dominant.
And what about Lane Kiffin saying the SEC is just a step below the NFL?
Did you fake an injury timeout to have time to think about that one?

Me?
I'm personally sad to see the Longhorns lose last night.
Now we have an all-Yankee national championship game.

Wait til next year has officially begun.

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If you argued the SEC is a just a step below the Titans, then that speaks volumes on SEC football quality.

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As a Titans fan, the SEC and perhaps several conference champs might be better than the Titans

LTBear19 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Why not just have a 64-team, 4 division (regional) NFL-prep league and cut out all this voting nonsense? Completely remove the emotional bias from the equation.

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This.

Any real playoff has a legit "play-in." There are no opinions, no committee, no creative seeding or home field, it all has to be determined by playing games and having all spots determined by what happens on the field. Everyone knows those qualifications by the first snap of the season. All tie-brakers are spelled out, you know what you have to do to make the playoffs.

Seeds are determined the same way. The only thing left to be determined by a governing body is the day and time.

And none of that will happen until the overall governing body can also set the conference/division set-up. That includes every team being in a conference.

It seems unlikely to happen in our lifetimes.

The more they keep tweaking it, the more the old bowl system proves far better for the quality of games and the enjoyment of college football in the post-season.

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Nor should it happen in our lifetime.

The current model is legit. Win your P4 conference, and you are guaranteed a spot in the tournament. Seems like a pretty simple requirement there. That is something we never had in play before this year.

Don't win your conference, then you may or may not get in, depending on your body of work.

Going beyond 16 teams would be overkill at this point.

And a 64-team playoff is not even close to being realistic, as you would completely make the regular season meaningless.

This isn't Texas High School football, where now half the teams in the state make the postseason (I can remember when only 2 schools from a district made the playoffs, and there was only one champion for each classification - none of this Division 1 or Division 2 mess).

For those of you arguing for more guaranteed access beyond just conference champions, then you would have to accept that more challenging out of conference games are necessary for now (at least if you are a Big XII or ACC team). That's the only way that a team like BYU could get into the current setup as a 2-loss non-champion.

But then again, we have some on this board who applaud teams like Indiana for going 11-1 with a weak sauce schedule. So you might have trouble scheduling matchups against the SEC and Big Ten teams at the moment.

I mean, if I'm a team like Indiana, then why would I schedule a risky matchup, when I can play a bunch of powder puff teams and know that folks are simply going to drool over my record at the end of the day and ignore that I played the equivalent of a District 13-5A schedule?

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You are still so butt hurt about your beloved Crimson Tide being left out. How are you doing since none of your SEC teams made it to the championship?

Married A Horn said:

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The 12 team format is so much better than the sec Invitational.

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True but still a long way to go. It's still a blue blood invitational when you look at the seeding.

Dia del DougO said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Why not just have a 64-team, 4 division (regional) NFL-prep league and cut out all this voting nonsense? Completely remove the emotional bias from the equation.

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The more they keep tweaking it, the more the old bowl system proves far better for the quality of games and the enjoyment of college football in the post-season.

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I can't take any playoff criticism that ends with this sentence seriously.

The bowl system was and is ridiculous. It's the ultimate participation trophy/corporate money grab.

No but it's mostly more entertaining that what we've seen in recent years.

bear2be2 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Why not just have a 64-team, 4 division (regional) NFL-prep league and cut out all this voting nonsense? Completely remove the emotional bias from the equation.

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The more they keep tweaking it, the more the old bowl system proves far better for the quality of games and the enjoyment of college football in the post-season.

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I can't take any playoff criticism that ends with this sentence seriously.

The bowl system was and is ridiculous. It's the ultimate participation trophy/corporate money grab.

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As if any fake playoff invitational by some bogus committee is some form of sanity and NOT a money grab.

LOLs.

As long as there can't be a legit playoff system, which there can't, I'll take a bunch of really good matchups that are great in themselves. The playoff is a traveshamockery and nobody will ever be happy with it except fans of the team that won. And the more they keep "fixing it," because it's totally unfixable, the more absurd it gets.

Dia del DougO said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Why not just have a 64-team, 4 division (regional) NFL-prep league and cut out all this voting nonsense? Completely remove the emotional bias from the equation.

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The more they keep tweaking it, the more the old bowl system proves far better for the quality of games and the enjoyment of college football in the post-season.

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I can't take any playoff criticism that ends with this sentence seriously.

The bowl system was and is ridiculous. It's the ultimate participation trophy/corporate money grab.

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As if any fake playoff invitational by some bogus committee is some form of sanity and NOT a money grab.

LOLs.

As long as there can't be a legit playoff system, which there can't, I'll take a bunch of really good matchups that are great in themselves. The playoff is a traveshamockery and nobody will ever be happy with it except fans of the team that won. And the more they keep "fixing it," because it's totally unfixable, the more absurd it gets.

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Most college football fans are pretty happy with the current playoff setup. While not perfect, it's by far the best the sport has ever had.

The few I've seen who don't like the 12-team playoff have almost all been older fans still clinging to some weird bowl nostalgia.

So what's wrong with the 12 team set up? It's similar to the NFL. I'm watching 12-5 Washington playing at 10-7 Tampa Bay right now. What's fair about that? The point is it can never be perfect. People can always gripe about something.

I'm sure about one thing. There's not a single team in college football that was left out of the current playoff which had a chance in hell of winning it.

Agree. And also true that Mountain West and ACC had no business in that bracket.

The Big10 is legit this year but really, Ohio State is even better than they usually are this year.

The current system is good. Best we've had so far. Conference champs earned their birth and got their chance. They have noone to blame but themselves. And, the next top 4 proved they belonged as well.

And the Boise States of the world were included as well.

No one can complain. And probably the best team in the Nation will be the National Champs now.

I am a big fan of this system as is.

Which is the reason it will undoubtedly be changed, right?

They need to expand to 16 teams and do away with conf champ games. Notre Dame doesnt have to play one so they're at an advantage. Just take the team with the best record in the conference as the winner and seed accordingly. The money will be made up by having another round of cfp games.

I don't think my Titans could beat a MAC team

Killing Floor said:

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Agree. And also true that Mountain West and ACC had no business in that bracket.

The Big10 is legit this year but really, Ohio State is even better than they usually are this year.

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I think this year will produce the weakest national champion (at least by credentials) we've had in a long time.

If Notre Dame wins, we'd have a champion that didn't have to play a traditional conference grind or conference championship game and a team that lost to N. Illinois.

If Ohio State wins, we'd have a team with 2 regular season losses that didn't make its conference championship game and a team that might not have even been included in the 4 team national championship playoff of previous years.

muddybrazos said:

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They need to expand to 16 teams and do away with conf champ games. Notre Dame doesnt have to play one so they're at an advantage. Just take the team with the best record in the conference as the winner and seed accordingly. The money will be made up by having another round of cfp games.

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If conference champs get an auto bid then that game is a de facto first round of the playoffs.