Shedeur Sanders entering the game:
pic.twitter.com/qnDgpv6Ny2

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 16, 2025

And he went 4 for 16 for 47 yards and a pick, 13.5 qb rating.

Not good.

Shedeur Sanders goes 4 of 16 passing for 47 yards with an INT in relief. He’ll have to be ready this week with Dillon Gabriel in the protocol. pic.twitter.com/BexTAMzYH4

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 17, 2025

Deshaun Watson will be on the sideline helping Shedeur Sanders today in Sanders' first career NFL start, per @MaryKayCabot.

Watson is making his first road trip this season. pic.twitter.com/RvXeDvO3Nu

— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) November 23, 2025

Shedeur is ready 🥶 pic.twitter.com/qAgSgOy5Vk

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) November 23, 2025

Sheduer gets the dub today

"Imagine what a full offseason looks like ... it gets dangerous." 👀

Shedeur talking SPICY 🍿🔥

(📺 CBS) pic.twitter.com/LmHLEQG4ZS

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) November 24, 2025

When your QBR is lower than Geno Smith's ...

Harrison Bergeron said:

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When your QBR is lower than Geno Smith's ...

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Look, I'm still salty about him getting the best of us last year, but the narrative that he wasn't worthy of playing in the NFL and was truly a 5th round pick was nonsense.

For those who have selective memory, he was actually being considered as the #1 overall pick at one point, before politics took over.

If we're being honest, Shedeur's probably more of a gamer than Cam Ward, who DID go #1 overall and is currently stinking it up with the Titans.

And he definitely should have been playing ahead of Dillon Gabriel.

Seems like many folks are hating on Shedeur because he was being brash and cocky like his father was in his heyday.

But that doesn't mean he can't play ball.

I'm surprised anyone on this board would bash Sanders after he roasted us for 341 yards in Boulder last year.

He went in the fifth round because that was his player value.

Ain't nothin' wrong with that. Dak was a fourth round pick. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.

Shedeur is still super raw and needs a ton of polish.

He's getting his opportunity. It's all up to how he progresses and where he peaks.

Same with the other guy they drafted in the third round. He was ahead of him in the pecking order because he was more ready. Simple as that.

LTBear19 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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When your QBR is lower than Geno Smith's ...

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Look, I'm still salty about him getting the best of us last year, but the narrative that he wasn't worthy of playing in the NFL and was truly a 5th round pick was nonsense.

For those who have selective memory, he was actually being considered as the #1 overall pick at one point, before politics took over.

If we're being honest, Shedeur's probably more of a gamer than Cam Ward, who DID go #1 overall and is currently stinking it up with the Titans.

And he definitely should have been playing ahead of Dillon Gabriel.

Seems like many folks are hating on Shedeur because he was being brash and cocky like his father was in his heyday.

But that doesn't mean he can't play ball.

I'm surprised anyone on this board would bash Sanders after he roasted us for 341 yards in Boulder last year.

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he's got potential to be a long-time solid NFL starter but that's if he defeats his own ego, and that seems very unlikely right now...his ego tells him he's destined to be the GOAT and that wild delusion will almost undoubtedly derail his career.

Dia del DougO said:

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He went in the fifth round because that was his player value.

Ain't nothin' wrong with that. Dak was a fourth round pick. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.

Shedeur is still super raw and needs a ton of polish.

He's getting his opportunity. It's all up to how he progresses and where he peaks.

Same with the other guy they drafted in the third round. He was ahead of him in the pecking order because he was more ready. Simple as that.

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But it isn't as simple as that.

It was reported that the Giants (who did draft a QB with their top pick - Jaxson Dart) had Shedeur listed as their #1 pick on their board just a few months prior to the draft.

That's right - they had him AHEAD of Dart on their board leading up to the draft.

Now why they (or other teams) passed on Sanders could be attributed to bad interviews or reputation, but let's not make it out as if the fall was strictly based on talent.

We have NEVER seen a player go from the potential #1 pick to all the way to the 5th round based on talent alone.

If folks want to say that teams passed on him to avoid any potential drama, then fine. I'm ok with that.

But to act like he didn't have the skills and deserved to be drafted that low based on talent alone was a joke.

Deion was always a huge talker in his playing days. As a Cowboys fan it used to drive me crazy...until he signed with Dallas...haha.

But...Deion was a legit GOAT and could back up all of his talk. He really was an amazing player.

Shedeur seems to have that same swagger and talk...but without the GOAT potential upside. As others have said I could see him sticking around as a solid QB… but I don't have the feeling he's going to be a transformational player at that position.

LTBear19 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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He went in the fifth round because that was his player value.

Ain't nothin' wrong with that. Dak was a fourth round pick. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.

Shedeur is still super raw and needs a ton of polish.

He's getting his opportunity. It's all up to how he progresses and where he peaks.

Same with the other guy they drafted in the third round. He was ahead of him in the pecking order because he was more ready. Simple as that.

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But it isn't as simple as that.

It was reported that the Giants (who did draft a QB with their top pick - Jaxson Dart) had Shedeur listed as their #1 pick on their board just a few months prior to the draft.

That's right - they had him AHEAD of Dart on their board leading up to the draft.

Now why they (or other teams) passed on Sanders could be attributed to bad interviews or reputation, but let's not make it out as if the fall was strictly based on talent.

We have NEVER seen a player go from the potential #1 pick to all the way to the 5th round based on talent alone.

If folks want to say that teams passed on him to avoid any potential drama, then fine. I'm ok with that.

But to act like he didn't have the skills and deserved to be drafted that low based on talent alone was a joke.

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"Reports" is what it is.

Giants could have taken him somewhere in the the next four rounds, and should have, if they really had him rated that highly. Zero other teams were interested.

There's your report. Reality.

Dia del DougO said:

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I don't know who Tony Rizzo is, but running the scout them doesn't do much to help a qb learn their system. A practice squad guy may be more likely to do that. He's probably getting 3rd team reps, though they usually are not abundant. Lots of drills and stuff to improve physical things, and mental reps on the white board.

Just spitballing, but man, they just don't want to give up the clickbait. Nothing really to see.

I predict Shedeur will get some NFL game reps this season at some point after a couple of injuries, assuming the Browns wind up out of any sort of contention. But Dillon will get first shot if he's healthy.

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There's your "report" right there.

That happened.

Dia del DougO said:

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LTBear19 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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He went in the fifth round because that was his player value.

Ain't nothin' wrong with that. Dak was a fourth round pick. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.

Shedeur is still super raw and needs a ton of polish.

He's getting his opportunity. It's all up to how he progresses and where he peaks.

Same with the other guy they drafted in the third round. He was ahead of him in the pecking order because he was more ready. Simple as that.

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But it isn't as simple as that.

It was reported that the Giants (who did draft a QB with their top pick - Jaxson Dart) had Shedeur listed as their #1 pick on their board just a few months prior to the draft.

That's right - they had him AHEAD of Dart on their board leading up to the draft.

Now why they (or other teams) passed on Sanders could be attributed to bad interviews or reputation, but let's not make it out as if the fall was strictly based on talent.

We have NEVER seen a player go from the potential #1 pick to all the way to the 5th round based on talent alone.

If folks want to say that teams passed on him to avoid any potential drama, then fine. I'm ok with that.

But to act like he didn't have the skills and deserved to be drafted that low based on talent alone was a joke.

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"Reports" is what it is.

Giants could have taken him somewhere in the the next four rounds, and should have, if they really had him rated that highly. Zero other teams were interested.

There's your report. Reality.

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So I guess Sports Illustrated (who reported the Giants news) and Boomer Esiason (who stated that at least 3 owners demanded their teams take Shedeur off their boards due to 'entitled attitude' issues) are just making stuff up?

It took me all of 10 seconds to find this info on a Google search, btw.

So yes, there is credible information out there that suggests the fall was not based on talent/ability alone.

There were also suggestions that with Shedeur not being represented by an agent (Deion was his advisor), that continual moves like these by high draft picks could potentially rock the boat in the future, and the powers that be might have wanted to discourage that and not allow it to become the norm (I think only 1-2 % of players in the draft were not officially represented by agents).

Shedeur apparently missed out on roughly $40 million by being drafted in the 5th round versus the 1st round (if that was the goal - then mission accomplished on that front).

So that's another possibility as to why he could have fallen where he did.

But I think it's safe to say that it was NOT about talent, by any stretch of the imagination.

Sure, dude. The Browns were obvious keeping Shedeur in chains as a third string qb just to punish him in some twisted social/political statement.

They clearly had a secret agreement with 31 other teams that they would all pass on him until the Browns 5th round pick, so they could make an example of him.

Draft stuff in the media has been made up for years. The people who evaluate talent for real teams have real jobs.

People who hack up a bunch of stupid hot takes do that because that's what they do well. And people buy it.

Good luck to the guy. I really don't care either way. It went the way it should to this point. It's up to Shedeur to determine his fate.

But the Sanders cult is beyond ridiculous.

LTBear19 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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LTBear19 said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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He went in the fifth round because that was his player value.

Ain't nothin' wrong with that. Dak was a fourth round pick. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick.

Shedeur is still super raw and needs a ton of polish.

He's getting his opportunity. It's all up to how he progresses and where he peaks.

Same with the other guy they drafted in the third round. He was ahead of him in the pecking order because he was more ready. Simple as that.

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But it isn't as simple as that.

It was reported that the Giants (who did draft a QB with their top pick - Jaxson Dart) had Shedeur listed as their #1 pick on their board just a few months prior to the draft.

That's right - they had him AHEAD of Dart on their board leading up to the draft.

Now why they (or other teams) passed on Sanders could be attributed to bad interviews or reputation, but let's not make it out as if the fall was strictly based on talent.

We have NEVER seen a player go from the potential #1 pick to all the way to the 5th round based on talent alone.

If folks want to say that teams passed on him to avoid any potential drama, then fine. I'm ok with that.

But to act like he didn't have the skills and deserved to be drafted that low based on talent alone was a joke.

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"Reports" is what it is.

Giants could have taken him somewhere in the the next four rounds, and should have, if they really had him rated that highly. Zero other teams were interested.

There's your report. Reality.

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So I guess Sports Illustrated (who reported the Giants news) and Boomer Esiason (who stated that at least 3 owners demanded their teams take Shedeur off their boards due to 'entitled attitude' issues) are just making stuff up?

It took me all of 10 seconds to find this info on a Google search, btw.

So yes, there is credible information out there that suggests the fall was not based on talent/ability alone.

There were also suggestions that with Shedeur not being represented by an agent (Deion was his advisor), that continual moves like these by high draft picks could potentially rock the boat in the future, and the powers that be might have wanted to discourage that and not allow it to become the norm (I think only 1-2 % of players in the draft were not officially represented by agents).

Shedeur apparently missed out on roughly $40 million by being drafted in the 5th round versus the 1st round (if that was the goal - then mission accomplished on that front).

So that's another possibility as to why he could have fallen where he did.

But I think it's safe to say that it was NOT about talent, by any stretch of the imagination.

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he just went 11-of-20 for one (1) TD against one of the absolute bottom feeders of the league....but he's now cemented as an NFL starting caliber QB? Nope.

He has a shot a longevity in the league if he can drop the ego...but that doesn't seem to be happening and so neither will an extended NFL career.

If he drops the "I'm destined to the GOAT" bull**** he's got a chance to land in the NFL. If not, he has no shot.

Bearknuckle said:

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he's got potential to be a long-time solid NFL starter but that's if he defeats his own ego, and that seems very unlikely right now...his ego tells him he's destined to be the GOAT and that wild delusion will almost undoubtedly derail his career.

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That is the definition of a winner. Inverse is fear. We needed 22 who think they are GOAT.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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he's got potential to be a long-time solid NFL starter but that's if he defeats his own ego, and that seems very unlikely right now...his ego tells him he's destined to be the GOAT and that wild delusion will almost undoubtedly derail his career.

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That is the definition of a winner. Inverse is fear. We needed 22 who think they are GOAT.

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Arrogance =/= Confidence. Shedur's CO record wasn't a winning record, and his NFL record likely won't be either. The Raiders are easily one of the worst teams in the NFL and Shedur had one (1) good throw against them for a TD. He's nowhere near being the GOAT, and thinking he is will only sabotage his own career trajectory.

Borderline players often feel like they can't afford any doubt, so many of them overcompensate with outright arrogance. Instead of trying to improve the starting angle of their lead arm on the swim move, or their shoulder alignment as they set their feet...they blame their position coach for not seeing their clear superiority to their roster-mates.

Eventually with **** like that, they fail out of the league because arrogance doesn't translate to on-field production unless you happen to be an elite talent at the professional level.

That's why having Deion as a father/coach/mentor has been a poison pill for Shedur - Deion had the talent to backup his ridiculous ego - Shedur does not.

LTBear19 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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When your QBR is lower than Geno Smith's ...

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Look, I'm still salty about him getting the best of us last year, but the narrative that he wasn't worthy of playing in the NFL and was truly a 5th round pick was nonsense.

For those who have selective memory, he was actually being considered as the #1 overall pick at one point, before politics took over.

If we're being honest, Shedeur's probably more of a gamer than Cam Ward, who DID go #1 overall and is currently stinking it up with the Titans.

And he definitely should have been playing ahead of Dillon Gabriel.

Seems like many folks are hating on Shedeur because he was being brash and cocky like his father was in his heyday.

But that doesn't mean he can't play ball.

I'm surprised anyone on this board would bash Sanders after he roasted us for 341 yards in Boulder last year.

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I don't disagree. IIRC, he did not do very well in his interviews and his pre-draft attitude might have drove a lot of teams to think he's not worth in and a Johnny Manziel starter kit. I think he's probably a fine QB. He also had Travis Hunter and dad designing the entire team around him. We'll see ... but that line against maybe the worst team in the NFL in a long time is not encouraging. I think Deon having Colorado retire his number likely did not help.

Dillon Gabriel has been basically efficient, competent, but so far pretty limited to short range passes. He has limited mistakes, but not scaring opposing defenses to death.

It's very up in the air as to which would end up being the better pro qb.

It may turn out the neither is, or both are. Whatever. They are basically NFL scratch-offs with potential.

I really liked that Cleveland took a different approach by not spending big time or using a high draft pick on another expensive qb. Drafting two qbs was very smart. More teams should think about using that kind of strategy. It may or may not work, but it won't destroy their franchise...at least not any more than it already has been nuked by horrific decisions they've made in the past.

Put them out there, let them put it on paper.

Shedeur Sanders being named QB1 for another week is a prime father moment for Deion 🥹 pic.twitter.com/xKjPdpRbyi

— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) November 24, 2025

“There’s a lot of vet quarterbacks that had their time and everything and they were back-ups and got thrown into the game and they were alright.”

“But I don’t think they were like that in their ROOKIE Year.”

pic.twitter.com/NfxgCz3FRp

— Polymarket Football (@PolymarketBlitz) November 24, 2025

All I know is, he brought some life to the browns on both offense and defense. Dillon check-down Gabrielle hadn't thrown a pass further than 30 yards in 5+ games, he wasn't willing to drive the ball down field. Shedeur at least is willing to stretch the field. Will he be an all pro QB ever...who knows, I would say definitely not in Cleveland . He won't be the first or last QB to fail in Cleveland. It's where QBs go to die

#Browns QB Shedeur Sanders in a loss today:

- 23/42
- 364 passing yards
- 4 TDs (3 passing, 1 rushing)
- 1 INT
- 97.7 passer rating pic.twitter.com/CNXvc82doh

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) December 7, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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#Browns QB Shedeur Sanders in a loss today:

- 23/42
- 364 passing yards
- 4 TDs (3 passing, 1 rushing)
- 1 INT
- 97.7 passer rating pic.twitter.com/CNXvc82doh

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) December 7, 2025

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Damn. 28 points by the QB and lose ... good for him.

If he can play against the quality of this years Raiders and Titans every week he'll have a nice career.

He did get the W today

That pick by Shedeur was his 8th since he became the starter in week12.. most in the NFL over that time frame

— trey wingo (@wingoz) December 28, 2025