Surprised there's been no mention of this yet ...

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bear2be2
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Stefano DiMera said:

bear2be2 said:

Stefano DiMera said:

Yawn.

You don't think this is a major story?


No.. I don't think it fits the criteria for a major story.

Cussing and verbal abuse one thing.. if he puts his hands on a student or coach... Then we have something.

Now we got people saying he's an alcoholic.. drug addict.. and cheating on his wife..

It's a bad look I admit..but I guess I'm old school..


The story explicitly says that he put his hands on two different people -- a player before the game and an assistant after.

If it's true, it's a very big story, which is why virtually every major outlet is picking up and adding their own reporting to the original Outkick story.
True Grit
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All the media needs to do is go find the Trigg fam, assistant coach who left, and eye-witnesses to the incidents. Baylor won't tell the truth or even speak about it. Nothing to see here... move along to the Utah game where Mack will still be on the sidelines.
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Yes, 100%. If the incident was just a verbal altercation... I get it, but he allegedly put his hands on a player and a coach. The media needs to investigate this further.
Dia del DougO
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"Putting hands on" somebody comes in a lot of varieties.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
CaliBear00
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Well, well. If true, what good fortune this may be. We wanted Rhoades gone, and he may have very well have just slit his own throat.
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Dia del DougO said:

"Putting hands on" somebody comes in a lot of varieties.

There's rarely a good reason to put your hands on another person, especially in an employer-employee relationship.
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Grumpy said:

The fact that this has already hit the NYT and other outlets are picking it up means it has legs. If someone leaks a video, it will get worse. The fact that Baylor simply has said that the case is closed - with no obvious repercussions, will bring further scrutiny. This may be only the beginning of unfolding events.


Yep, you are correct. The story has made the NYT.

From the University's statement it appears they are circling the wagons for this joker. It's too bad they didn't do that for Briles. What a bunch of hypocrites.

In a statement through a school spokesperson, Baylor acknowledged that Rhoades was investigated for an incident, though did not offer specifics.

"More than a month ago, Baylor University received reports of an incident involving Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Mack Rhoades. These reports were thoroughly reviewed and investigated in accordance with University policies, appropriate actions were taken, and the matter is now closed," the statement read. "Mr. Rhoades has expressed regret over his emotions and recognizes his conduct at that moment was not reflective of our Christian mission and values. Mr. Rhoades is an important part of our Baylor Family, and we look forward to his continued leadership of our Athletics Department. We remain committed to ensuring a respectful and accountable environment for all of our student-athletes, coaches, and staff."
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I'd like to know if alcohol was on his breath.
CaliBear00
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BearFan33 said:

Self inflicted side show. Fox News picks it up.

I guess people are interested in this cause Mac is CFP chair.

I suspect Someone wants Mac out of his position at the CFP. This has the classic makings of a media hit.

BU should tell the media to pound sand.

I'm as ready for a coaching change as the next guy but I don't want this stupidity to be the reason.


Yeah, no. You don't get to be an abusive a-hole like this and keep your job. Especially when you put your hands on someone. This isn't the 1980s my guy.
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BluesBear said:

Dave - Ban the dude from your sidelines. This is the way you might actually save your job for a year or more.


Doubt he has the authority to ban his boss
bear2be2
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boognish_bear said:

BluesBear said:

Dave - Ban the dude from your sidelines. This is the way you might actually save your job for a year or more.


Doubt he has the authority to ban his boss

This going public likely increases Dave's power dramatically. All it takes is a few more folks coming out with similar stories, and Mack's goose is cooked for good.
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Dia del DougO said:

"Putting hands on" somebody comes in a lot of varieties.


Obviously Mack is no threat to a big athlete like Trigg...but if you put your hands on someone while you are angry with them that's crossing a big line. Especially in a "boss" to "subordinate" context.
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bear2be2 said:

boognish_bear said:

BluesBear said:

Dave - Ban the dude from your sidelines. This is the way you might actually save your job for a year or more.


Doubt he has the authority to ban his boss

This going public likely increases Dave's power dramatically. All it takes is a few more folks coming out with similar stories, and Mack's goose is cooked for good.


I agree with your first sentence. No one has mentioned the aspect of why the hell is the AD playing head games with players during the games on sideline? Is Aranda also having to deal with an AD trying to work against him and his staff on the sideline during the games so he can fire him. I have no idea if that is the case and this was was a one time only incident that got blown up or if it is the usual thing. This is why I asked if Mack was in the sideline against UCF. If he wasn't and it was our best performance, one has to wonder.
Aliceinbubbleland
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Rhoades knows his paycheck is tied to Aranda's win/loss records. He is as frustrated as we are,

That's sad that you cannot trust your AD to be responsible under pressure. He obviously cannot handle the job

Anyone but the aggies please
bear2be2
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PartyBear said:

bear2be2 said:

boognish_bear said:

BluesBear said:

Dave - Ban the dude from your sidelines. This is the way you might actually save your job for a year or more.


Doubt he has the authority to ban his boss

This going public likely increases Dave's power dramatically. All it takes is a few more folks coming out with similar stories, and Mack's goose is cooked for good.


I agree with your first sentence. No one has mentioned the aspect of why the hell is the AD playing head games with players during the games on sideline? Is Aranda also having to deal with an AD trying to work against him and his staff on the sideline during the games so he can fire him. I have no idea if that is the case and this was was a one time only incident that got blown up or if it is the usual thing. This is why I asked if Mack was in the sideline against UCF. If he wasn't and it was our best performance, one has to wonder.

I'll just come out and say it: If it's a Mack or Aranda situation, I'm siding with Aranda all day every day. Dave has never done anything to embarrass the university. He is, in fact, a great ambassador for Baylor. He's just a mediocre head football coach.

My preference at this point would be to clean house completely, but if firing Mack means keeping Aranda another year, I'd accept that trade off. Mack is a serious liability.
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BluesBear said:

Dave - Ban the dude from your sidelines. This is the way you might actually save your job for a year or more.

Too late...what in the world is he doin' on a D1 sideline speaking to a player in any capacity except. "let's go!"

Can't believe a head coach wouldn't kick his ass off sideline in a demonstrative way. Way out of his lane.
boognish_bear
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I'm really curious what Mason Miller knows
Aliceinbubbleland
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boognish_bear said:

I'm really curious what Mason Miller knows

Bingo.

Anyone but the aggies please
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boognish_bear said:

BluesBear said:

Dave - Ban the dude from your sidelines. This is the way you might actually save your job for a year or more.


Doubt he has the authority to ban his boss


Yeah if he was a winning coach he could now pretty much tell him whatever he wanted. But Dave's situation makes that hard.

It definitely reduces Rhoades leverage a ton. If Drew was that type of guy (he's not) he could pretty much dictate whatever he wanted
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Mitch Henessey said:

Surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but this behavior sounds very much like what you'd see from someone with a substance abuse problem. My strong suspicion would be alcohol abuse.

That's my immediate reaction. I hope it's a substance abuse problem, because you can fix that. If this his how he acts under sober judgment in the light of day, I don't even know what to say.

As others have mentioned, he might be going through some sort of personal difficulties. If so, that's a shame. When people in leadership positions hit a personal trough like that, they often need to step down, back up and punt, and then after getting it under control re-start professionally.
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i'd understand if it was miller but why would it be a month later
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KIA said:

It's the Prestonwood Baptist club all over again .... Jeffrey is likely a part of this .... like he was with Langworthy ... like he was with Briles.

Just sweep your dirt under the rug and pretend it was never there ... the Baptist way.


Langworthy was handled differently than Briles. Langworthy became my 6th grade music teacher because they covered it up. He went on to groom and molest multiple minors. They let a child molester go free to save their image.

Briles was scapegoated because the crew handled SA at Baylor like Jeffrey did at Prestonwood. Briles was scapegoated.
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PacificBear said:

Can we pray this away? Can a BOR cry to God? Or fire the women's tennis coach cuz they look like a worthy scapegoat.

There's another NC winning Mulkey they can get rid of.
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PartyBear said:

WestUBears88 said:

James Comey style. Leak a known fake story to NYT and then use the fake story to a federal judge for a search warrant. The only problem here is the story is absolutely true. But considering that the player in question is actually a highly paid employee, if the employee was poorly representing the school, I don't see a problem whatsoever with what he said. I see more of a problem with the school leaking the story to the New York Times.


How would his wearing a yellow shirt under his jersey be representing the school poorly? The player didn't pick the new school colors. But Mack signed off on it obviously since he was AD when we did this. I don't get how Trigg having yellow sleeves on his arm is such a damn big deal. That is what Mack et al decreed one of the school colors. RG3 regularly wore a white sleeve regardless of jersey color back in the day.

None of that matters. AD doesn't handle that stuff outwardly, on a freakin sideline. Complete ego driven overstep. Unreal how he handled it. And if DA knew, how spineless to not tell his boss to pound sand until in private.

Then tell him to pound sand again.
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bear2be2 said:

PartyBear said:

bear2be2 said:

boognish_bear said:

BluesBear said:

Dave - Ban the dude from your sidelines. This is the way you might actually save your job for a year or more.


Doubt he has the authority to ban his boss

This going public likely increases Dave's power dramatically. All it takes is a few more folks coming out with similar stories, and Mack's goose is cooked for good.


I agree with your first sentence. No one has mentioned the aspect of why the hell is the AD playing head games with players during the games on sideline? Is Aranda also having to deal with an AD trying to work against him and his staff on the sideline during the games so he can fire him. I have no idea if that is the case and this was was a one time only incident that got blown up or if it is the usual thing. This is why I asked if Mack was in the sideline against UCF. If he wasn't and it was our best performance, one has to wonder.

I'll just come out and say it: If it's a Mack or Aranda situation, I'm siding with Aranda all day every day. Dave has never done anything to embarrass the university. He is, in fact, a great ambassador for Baylor. He's just a mediocre head football coach.

My preference at this point would be to clean house completely, but if firing Mack means keeping Aranda another year, I'd accept that trade off. Mack is a serious liability.

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Dia del DougO said:

"Putting hands on" somebody comes in a lot of varieties.


All of them are bad. This isn't high school. In society at large today, it's liable to get you shot and killed.
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Karab
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Based on the article, this doesn't sound like much of a big deal in the world of athletics.

In the scheme of Christian ethics, certainly wrong and should be addressed.

The fact that this made the news at all makes me wonder if it was intentionally leaked because Baylor wants to justify firing him at the end of the season.
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Karab said:

Based on the article, this doesn't sound like much of a big deal in the world of athletics.

In the scheme of Christian ethics, certainly wrong and should be addressed.

The fact that this made the news at all makes me wonder if it was intentionally leaked because Baylor wants to justify firing him at the end of the season.

it would be justified in my view
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Stefano DiMera
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It was a blackout game. So I'm sure the players have a dress code they follow too.

I went back and looked at highlights of the game.. only a couple others were wearing long sleeves and if they were they were black sleeves.

That why I said this seems much ado about nothing. We don't know the tone Mack replied to Trig in when he saw him in yellow. Maybe Mack responded sarcastically when he said what he said and was trying to be like one of the 'bros' and talking locker room trash to Trigg..who knows..

Apparently Trigg wore the sleeves to cover up a shoulder brace.
Stefano DiMera
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Karab said:

Based on the article, this doesn't sound like much of a big deal in the world of athletics.

In the scheme of Christian ethics, certainly wrong and should be addressed.

The fact that this made the news at all makes me wonder if it was intentionally leaked because Baylor wants to justify firing him at the end of the season.


You sir I think nailed this on the head.

People on here complain about wokeness and the world being soft. This is nothing but ammo for the people who want him gone and I get it.

bear2be2
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Stefano DiMera said:

Karab said:

Based on the article, this doesn't sound like much of a big deal in the world of athletics.

In the scheme of Christian ethics, certainly wrong and should be addressed.

The fact that this made the news at all makes me wonder if it was intentionally leaked because Baylor wants to justify firing him at the end of the season.


You sir I think nailed this on the head.

People on here complain about wokeness and the world being soft. This is nothing but ammo for the people who want him gone and I get it.

There is no world in which it is appropriate for an athletic director to be even having these conversations with players or assistant coaches, much less getting in altercations with them over things well outside his scope.

You seem hell-bent on rationalizing unhinged, micromanaging behavior. But that's exactly what this is.

Mack Rhoades isn't a coach. He's an athletic administrator. He needs to get his ass in the luxury boxes and kiss the asses of rich donors. That's his job. He has no business whatsoever accosting people on the sideline before and after games.
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Mack is an alcoholic....It's why he left (forced out) at U of H and Missouri quickly found out as well.
Stefano DiMera
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Calm down.

I'm not rationalizing anything.

How many years has he been AD? Have there been multiple instances of this behavior from him? If so... He needs to be gone yesterday.

I know I've had outbursts I'm not proud of. But I've apologized if I was the one at fault and moved on. Just like he reportedly did.

Do y'all not think he's as frustrated as y'all are on this season ? His ass is in the jackpot if Aranda fails.

I'm willing to grant him a little grace on this.

If I find out he's a coke head.. alcoholic. .. cheating on his wife.. and there are more instances of this behavior.. I'll be the first to say he can't represent Baylor and has to go.
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BluesBear said:

Mack is an alcoholic....It's why he left (forced out) at U of H and Missouri quickly found out as well.


I doubt this. If true he should have forced beer sales for games

Anyone but the aggies please
 
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