Aikman slams problems with NIL and gives up on it

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"I gave money to a kid, I won't mention who. I've done it one time at UCLA, never met the young man. He was there a year, he left after the year. I wrote a sizable check, and he went to another school.

"I didn't even get so much as a thank you note. So, it's one of those deals, to where I'm done with NIL. I want to see UCLA be successful, but I'm done with it.

"There's gotta be some leadership at the very top that kind of cleans all of this up. Starting with players that accept money. There's gotta be some accountability and responsibility on their behalf, to have to stick to a program."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/troy-aikman-done-with-nil-after-giving-money-to-ucla-player-that-left-after-a-year/ar-AA1S1OPX?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=6938b2d774a94e97bb33bd471aeed577&ei=16
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I'm about to become an Ivy League fan. I hope they don't burst my bubble.
Thank you Miami Hurricanes. 10-3. :)
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

I'm about to become an Ivy League fan. I hope they don't burst my bubble.


Heck even the Ivy League and HBCU schools are coming around to the fact that the money (even at FCS level) is in the playoffs and deciding maybe they want to be a part of it.
Jack Bauer
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2005: College athletes don't even have laundry money!!!!

2025:

Obviously we need to give these kids Lamborghinis!

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BearlyBeloved said:


"I gave money to a kid, I won't mention who. I've done it one time at UCLA, never met the young man. He was there a year, he left after the year. I wrote a sizable check, and he went to another school.

"I didn't even get so much as a thank you note. So, it's one of those deals, to where I'm done with NIL. I want to see UCLA be successful, but I'm done with it.

"There's gotta be some leadership at the very top that kind of cleans all of this up. Starting with players that accept money. There's gotta be some accountability and responsibility on their behalf, to have to stick to a program."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/troy-aikman-done-with-nil-after-giving-money-to-ucla-player-that-left-after-a-year/ar-AA1S1OPX?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=6938b2d774a94e97bb33bd471aeed577&ei=16


Doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude he's talking about former UCLA & current Oregon QB Dante Moore.

Mitch Blood Green
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I'm surprised NCAA hasn't put guard rails in place. Best I can figure is that it's working as the big schools want it to.

What's wrong with a salary cap? Why not limit transfers to 2 in 5 years, a third if it's for graduate school?
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I'm sure it was the QB that left UCLA for Oregon.

I hope other donors recognize the silliness of giving money to a kid to play for your school. But many grown men with more money than they know what to do with make irresponsible decisions and can't be talked out of it.

I follow the college football and basketball scores, but my love for those sports is gone. The creation of the "Power 2" conferences and loss of regional conferences is also bad for the product.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

I'm surprised NCAA hasn't put guard rails in place. Best I can figure is that it's working as the big schools want it to.

What's wrong with a salary cap? Why not limit transfers to 2 in 5 years, a third if it's for graduate school?


Because both of those things violate the players' right to receive NIL and violate antitrust laws.

NCAA is a private institution that is comprised of 1100 college and university members. They can no more institute a "salary cap" or limitation on changing jobs, than your business and its peers could for you and other employees including by using an industry group (which is what the NCAA is effectively) to do it.
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Troy needs to get off his high horse and donate some scratch to Baylor... His daughters alma mater.
Mitch Blood Green
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

I'm surprised NCAA hasn't put guard rails in place. Best I can figure is that it's working as the big schools want it to.

What's wrong with a salary cap? Why not limit transfers to 2 in 5 years, a third if it's for graduate school?


Because both of those things violate the players' right to receive NIL and violate antitrust laws.

NCAA is a private institution that is comprised of 1100 college and university members. They can no more institute a "salary cap" or limitation on changing jobs, than your business and its peers could for you and other employees including by using an industry group (which is what the NCAA is effectively) to do it.

I see it differently.

The initial problem was that the schools would profit from using the players' image and likeness in things like video games. Now that the schools are facilitating the payment, they can set guardrails around the budget and transfer limits. That would still allow you individually to do a sponsorship with NIKE or Coca Cola
GoodOleBaylorLine
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Schools can set guardrails. That's called a contract. If a player signs a contract that says he gets $100,000 a year and cannot transfer for 3 years, that's enforceable. Doesn't matter if some other school will pay him $500,000 to transfer.

If you have the NCAA enforce it through a collective, that's an antitrust violation via collusion. No different than if some airline consortium that all airlines belong to passed a member rule that baggage handlers could only make $10/hour and weren't allowed to change jobs.
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

I'm about to become an Ivy League fan. I hope they don't burst my bubble.
I've been to a couple Ivy League football games. You're better off watching high level Texas HSFB. It's a better product and a better atmosphere.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

I'm surprised NCAA hasn't put guard rails in place. Best I can figure is that it's working as the big schools want it to.

What's wrong with a salary cap? Why not limit transfers to 2 in 5 years, a third if it's for graduate school?


Anti trust laws
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Mitch Blood Green said:

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

I'm surprised NCAA hasn't put guard rails in place. Best I can figure is that it's working as the big schools want it to.

What's wrong with a salary cap? Why not limit transfers to 2 in 5 years, a third if it's for graduate school?


Because both of those things violate the players' right to receive NIL and violate antitrust laws.

NCAA is a private institution that is comprised of 1100 college and university members. They can no more institute a "salary cap" or limitation on changing jobs, than your business and its peers could for you and other employees including by using an industry group (which is what the NCAA is effectively) to do it.

I see it differently.

The initial problem was that the schools would profit from using the players' image and likeness in things like video games. Now that the schools are facilitating the payment, they can set guardrails around the budget and transfer limits. That would still allow you individually to do a sponsorship with NIKE or Coca Cola


Well SCOTUS disagrees with you, so….
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BUATX2000 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

I'm surprised NCAA hasn't put guard rails in place. Best I can figure is that it's working as the big schools want it to.

What's wrong with a salary cap? Why not limit transfers to 2 in 5 years, a third if it's for graduate school?


Because both of those things violate the players' right to receive NIL and violate antitrust laws.

NCAA is a private institution that is comprised of 1100 college and university members. They can no more institute a "salary cap" or limitation on changing jobs, than your business and its peers could for you and other employees including by using an industry group (which is what the NCAA is effectively) to do it.

I see it differently.

The initial problem was that the schools would profit from using the players' image and likeness in things like video games. Now that the schools are facilitating the payment, they can set guardrails around the budget and transfer limits. That would still allow you individually to do a sponsorship with NIKE or Coca Cola


Well SCOTUS disagrees with you, so….


They didn't.
BUATX2000
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Mitch Blood Green said:

BUATX2000 said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

I'm surprised NCAA hasn't put guard rails in place. Best I can figure is that it's working as the big schools want it to.

What's wrong with a salary cap? Why not limit transfers to 2 in 5 years, a third if it's for graduate school?


Because both of those things violate the players' right to receive NIL and violate antitrust laws.

NCAA is a private institution that is comprised of 1100 college and university members. They can no more institute a "salary cap" or limitation on changing jobs, than your business and its peers could for you and other employees including by using an industry group (which is what the NCAA is effectively) to do it.

I see it differently.

The initial problem was that the schools would profit from using the players' image and likeness in things like video games. Now that the schools are facilitating the payment, they can set guardrails around the budget and transfer limits. That would still allow you individually to do a sponsorship with NIKE or Coca Cola


Well SCOTUS disagrees with you, so….


They didn't.





In NCAA v. Alston (2021), the Supreme Court unanimously held that the NCAA and its member schools are not exempt from antitrust law, and that any rules restricting how athletes receive compensation must be treated the same as if 1,100 competing businesses got together and agreed to cap what their workers can earn.

That means the NCAA and its schools cannot legally agree to compensation caps or limits on athlete movement.
They'd love to impose the guardrails you're talking about they just can't. Any attempt to restrict transfers or impose salary caps would trigger a barrage of antitrust lawsuits that no school or governing body wants to fight (and would likely lose).

Until there are actual collective bargaining agreements, we're stuck with this $h1t show. It's going to be a long, chaotic circus featuring clown car Cody, Phil Knight, Mark Cuban, and the rest of the jock-sniffing billionaire crowd trying to buy championships and there will always be a long and slimy line of agents and players happy to take their money.

"A fool and his money are soon parted."
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BearlyBeloved said:


"I gave money to a kid, I won't mention who. I've done it one time at UCLA, never met the young man. He was there a year, he left after the year. I wrote a sizable check, and he went to another school.

"I didn't even get so much as a thank you note. So, it's one of those deals, to where I'm done with NIL. I want to see UCLA be successful, but I'm done with it.

"There's gotta be some leadership at the very top that kind of cleans all of this up. Starting with players that accept money. There's gotta be some accountability and responsibility on their behalf, to have to stick to a program."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/troy-aikman-done-with-nil-after-giving-money-to-ucla-player-that-left-after-a-year/ar-AA1S1OPX?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=6938b2d774a94e97bb33bd471aeed577&ei=16


Troy - it didn't work because you don't do it this way. Schools who have their act together have an NIL collective that does this is a more organized way instead of having big donors just hand over a check to some kid.

UCLA clearly doesn't have their act together on the NIL front.

Jack Bauer
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This dude announced he was entering the transfer portal.....at HALFTIME of a FCS playoff game!!! ***?

Dia del DougO
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Jack Bauer said:

This dude announced he was entering the transfer portal.....at HALFTIME of a FCS playoff game!!! ***?



Lord and Savior likely told him to do it that way.
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If we never get an invite to a Power 2 conference, I'm in on starting over with a whole new college league. It would be amateur, have a limited transfer portal, central control and regional conferences.

It would be a developmental league, and I think it would attract many good coaches who long for a league where the inmates don't run the asylum. It would offer stable platforms where student atheletes could develop and coaches could teach.
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Yogi said:

If we never get an invite to a Power 2 conference, I'm in on starting over with a whole new college league. It would be amateur, have a limited transfer portal, central control and regional conferences.

It would be a developmental league, and I think it would attract many good coaches who long for a league where the inmates don't run the asylum. It would offer stable platforms where student atheletes could develop and coaches could teach.


That would require legal changes to not violate all the rulings coming out of the courts on college football. That right now is the biggest challenge to the sport. How to put rules in place but not violate anti trust laws.
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Yogi said:

If we never get an invite to a Power 2 conference, I'm in on starting over with a whole new college league. It would be amateur, have a limited transfer portal, central control and regional conferences.

It would be a developmental league, and I think it would attract many good coaches who long for a league where the inmates don't run the asylum. It would offer stable platforms where student atheletes could develop and coaches could teach.

And we would probably put about as many players in the NFL.

Only problem is there would have to be some kind of limits to keep all the good players getting picked off by the fake playoff league.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
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Dia del DougO said:

Yogi said:

If we never get an invite to a Power 2 conference, I'm in on starting over with a whole new college league. It would be amateur, have a limited transfer portal, central control and regional conferences.

It would be a developmental league, and I think it would attract many good coaches who long for a league where the inmates don't run the asylum. It would offer stable platforms where student atheletes could develop and coaches could teach.

And we would probably put about as many players in the NFL.

Only problem is there would have to be some kind of limits to keep all the good players getting picked off by the fake playoff league.


You can wish in one hand and $h1t in the other. Alston ruined college football for 4/5th of college football programs. It is what it is.
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the best thing you can do is move on to something else. freeing up saturdays in the fall is underrated.
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Lagway at Florida just entered the portal.

I've read many on here aren't interested
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I wasn't at the beginning of the season but now who do we have? I'd take a chance on him.
Thank you Miami Hurricanes. 10-3. :)
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I doubt he's a serious contender for Baylor, not because they wouldn't want him, but just circumstances.

He's going to get some serious bids, which means pricey. Baylor has too many holes to fill. We'll see what the market is on him, he won't likely be an elite prospect, but would start for a lot of teams in better position to make that move.

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Stefano DiMera said:

Troy needs to get off his high horse and donate some scratch to Baylor... His daughters alma mater.

Had no clue. You are a very good sleuth. Unfortunately it sounds as if he is absolutely through tossing money into athletics which is really disappointing because he can support more than UCLA.
Thank you Miami Hurricanes. 10-3. :)
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Nah .. not really a sleuth.. met him few years ago riding my bike at one of the local trails he jogs on here . I had a Baylor shirt on resting on a bench and we started talking.

Actually saw him 2 months after that I was at McLane for a game and he was next to me with his daughter and in front was Jeff Banister the Rangers manager at the time with his daughter who played on volleyball team.. think it was 2015 or 2016.
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EAST CAROLINA is offering $1.4M to a QB and he turns it down for a better offer.

is this what we all envisioned?

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Stefano DiMera said:

Lagway at Florida just entered the portal.

I've read many on here aren't interested

Walker White starts. We need to get him as much help on the lines and on defense as we can. We don't need to be chasing a banged up Florida cast off with thr second-lowest passing efficiency in the SEC (127.00). Let Vandy sign him as their starter.
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How is this any different than the NFL?

Dia del DougO
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Totally not pay for play, though, because that would be wrong.
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Dia del DougO said:

Totally not pay for play, though, because that would be wrong.


What gets me are the people who get all riled up and try to act like you're some sort of communist if you say that you hate the current recruting paradigm or if you dare suggest that it's lessened your interest in the sport
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