We definitely would more more relevant and fun to watch

Johnny Bear said:

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Goes to show what can happen with the right HC & staff which we obviously don't have right now.

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Dude they got $40 in NIL.

BUATX2000 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Goes to show what can happen with the right HC & staff which we obviously don't have right now.

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Dude they got $40 in NIL.

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How?

Johnny Bear said:

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Goes to show what can happen with the right HC & staff which we obviously don't have right now.

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True, but our real logjam is at a higher administrative level.

Robert Wilson said:

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But we are a bunch of weenies

Congrats to the Hoosiers

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OverJOYed for them today.

We have Davey Poo! Equal NIL, and Person over Player!

We have our guy! Give him a few more years. He'll figure it out.

Bearsalwayswin said:

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i just don't buy that indiana bought their whole team, besides mendoza they really didn't get a bunch of crazy big names out of portal

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Indiana successfully combined the old method with the new method and then adding a twist, but it's difficult to tell if it is truly sustainable at the highest levels - the old method was teams having very experienced rosters (i.e. 2023 Washington), the new method is being transfer heavy for starters (i.e. 2023 FSU), and the twist is adding actual production as a requirement for experienced transfers with the production requirement superseding star ratings or prior conference affiliation (i.e. 2025 Indiana). That being said, Indiana's portal miss rate was 15.5%, which was lower than any other team, and, given Indiana's coach has only been there for 2 seasons, it's too early to tell if that result is luck or simply better evaluations.

Time will tell.

They aren't the top echelon of spending. Saying otherwise is copium.

HOWEVER, they may be now because the average fan will be donating...

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Bearsalwayswin said:

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i just don't buy that indiana bought their whole team, besides mendoza they really didn't get a bunch of crazy big names out of portal

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Indiana successfully combined the old method with the new method and then adding a twist, but it's difficult to tell if it is truly sustainable at the highest levels - the old method was teams having very experienced rosters (i.e. 2023 Washington), the new method is being transfer heavy for starters (i.e. 2023 FSU), and the twist is adding actual production as a requirement for experienced transfers with the production requirement superseding star ratings or prior conference affiliation (i.e. 2025 Indiana). That being said, Indiana's portal miss rate was 15.5%, which was lower than any other team, and, given Indiana's coach has only been there for 2 seasons, it's too early to tell if that result is luck or simply better evaluations.

Time will tell.

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Indiana didn't get lucky this season.

Time will verify that.

Just watched last night's Indiana postgame press conference.

Everything expressed there, both by the coach and the players, was the mirror opposite of BU's football (mis)understanding of the value of winning football. Their program is now solid oak, not a shred of optics, aka facade.

Watch 'til the end. Cignetti took the final question and literally schooled us without mentioning us.

Perhaps more excuse responses to this incoming. Completely understandable.

Cignetti is a no bull**** guy. He wants no one in his way.

It isnt like that at Baylor. At least not with Mac Rhoades since he had an enlarged ego.

Plus, Aranda is a limp coach. Absolutely no juice

I guess your point that "this could've been us" is a historical projection of what we once were, the trajectory we were on, and the decisions made by people who don't care about football to throw it all away.

I think you are saying we could have somehow held onto Briles for 10 more years, managing to navigate all of the changes in conference alignment and massive job openings that factually were available over that period of time and expected Briles would also be at the forefront of NIL and transfer portal acumen resulting in a natty for Baylor.

While I understand and agree with the sentiment, the reality is likely far different.

What we should be arguing here is not that this could have been us, but let's learn the lessons we can and apply them to our future and say "why not us"

If we ask the question "why not us", I'll answer here:

Because we have a coach who lacks the necessary intensity and skills for identification / development of players. We also lack the big money donors who want to light money on fire for nothing more than entertainment value of seeing their team win a natty. We also lack an administration who is interested in creating and cultivating a culture of football excellence.

So if those three somewhat intertwined issues are not fixed, they will remain the answer to that question, "why not us"

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I guess your point that "this could've been us" is a historical projection of what we once were, the trajectory we were on, and the decisions made by people who don't care about football to throw it all away.

I think you are saying we could have somehow held onto Briles for 10 more years, managing to navigate all of the changes in conference alignment and massive job openings that factually were available over that period of time and expected Briles would also be at the forefront of NIL and transfer portal acumen resulting in a natty for Baylor.

While I understand and agree with the sentiment, the reality is likely far different.

What we should be arguing here is not that this could have been us, but let's learn the lessons we can and apply them to our future and say "why not us"

If we ask the question "why not us", I'll answer here:

Because we have a coach who lacks the necessary intensity and skills for identification / development of players. We also lack the big money donors who want to light money on fire for nothing more than entertainment value of seeing their team win a natty. We also lack an administration who is interested in creating and cultivating a culture of football excellence.

So if those three somewhat intertwined issues are not fixed, they will remain the answer to that question, "why not us"

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It's incredible to see someone nuke their own comment like this.

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We also lack an administration who is interested in creating and cultivating a culture of football excellence.

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Bingo!

Tell him what he's won, Johnny.

He is now the proud owner of a football program with a .509 winning percentage over 1200+ games.

Cignetti, Cristobal, Kirby Smart, Dan Lanning, or Nick Saban would not last 10 minutes here. Hell, we never would've hired them.

Robert Wilson said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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We also lack an administration who is interested in creating and cultivating a culture of football excellence.

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Bingo!

Tell him what he's won, Johnny.

He is now the proud owner of a football program with a .509 winning percentage over 1200+ games.

Cignetti, Cristobal, Kirby Smart, Dan Lanning, or Nick Saban would not last 10 minutes here. Hell, we never would've hired them.

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Especially not Cignetti, because in the press conference he says he enjoyed a cold beer between game's end and the press conference.

canoso said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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We also lack an administration who is interested in creating and cultivating a culture of football excellence.

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Bingo!

Tell him what he's won, Johnny.

He is now the proud owner of a football program with a .509 winning percentage over 1200+ games.

Cignetti, Cristobal, Kirby Smart, Dan Lanning, or Nick Saban would not last 10 minutes here. Hell, we never would've hired them.

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Especially not Cignetti, because in the press conference he says he enjoyed a cold beer between game's end and the press conference.

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They're all entirely too coarse and low brow. They talk about things like kicking ass and maybe even beer. Cignetti's also just weird. Old Baylor could have hired them and told them to behave and show up at a church every now and then. New Baylor just couldn't even...

Robert Wilson said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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We also lack an administration who is interested in creating and cultivating a culture of football excellence.

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Bingo!

Tell him what he's won, Johnny.

He is now the proud owner of a football program with a .509 winning percentage over 1200+ games.

Cignetti, Cristobal, Kirby Smart, Dan Lanning, or Nick Saban would not last 10 minutes here. Hell, we never would've hired them.

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Agree on all fronts...can you imagine ever hearing any of those coaches mentioned saying something like "Person Over Player"?

canoso said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Bearsalwayswin said:

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i just don't buy that indiana bought their whole team, besides mendoza they really didn't get a bunch of crazy big names out of portal

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Indiana successfully combined the old method with the new method and then adding a twist, but it's difficult to tell if it is truly sustainable at the highest levels - the old method was teams having very experienced rosters (i.e. 2023 Washington), the new method is being transfer heavy for starters (i.e. 2023 FSU), and the twist is adding actual production as a requirement for experienced transfers with the production requirement superseding star ratings or prior conference affiliation (i.e. 2025 Indiana). That being said, Indiana's portal miss rate was 15.5%, which was lower than any other team, and, given Indiana's coach has only been there for 2 seasons, it's too early to tell if that result is luck or simply better evaluations.

Time will tell.

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Indiana didn't get lucky this season.

Time will verify that.

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Possibly. The only real way to tell for sure is whether or not Indiana wins another national title in the next 5 years. If so, then it wasn't, and, if not, it was. While that is a very high standard to gauge the program by, it's not unreasonable if the team wins a national title in year #2 of a coach.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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canoso said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Bearsalwayswin said:

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i just don't buy that indiana bought their whole team, besides mendoza they really didn't get a bunch of crazy big names out of portal

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Indiana successfully combined the old method with the new method and then adding a twist, but it's difficult to tell if it is truly sustainable at the highest levels - the old method was teams having very experienced rosters (i.e. 2023 Washington), the new method is being transfer heavy for starters (i.e. 2023 FSU), and the twist is adding actual production as a requirement for experienced transfers with the production requirement superseding star ratings or prior conference affiliation (i.e. 2025 Indiana). That being said, Indiana's portal miss rate was 15.5%, which was lower than any other team, and, given Indiana's coach has only been there for 2 seasons, it's too early to tell if that result is luck or simply better evaluations.

Time will tell.

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Indiana didn't get lucky this season.

Time will verify that.

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Possibly. The only real way to tell for sure is whether or not Indiana wins another national title in the next 5 years. If so, then it wasn't, and, if not, it was. While that is a very high standard to gauge the program by, it's not unreasonable if the team wins a national title in year #2 of a coach.

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Wrong again, but more evidence that Baylor will persist in Bayloring.

canoso said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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canoso said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Bearsalwayswin said:

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i just don't buy that indiana bought their whole team, besides mendoza they really didn't get a bunch of crazy big names out of portal

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Indiana successfully combined the old method with the new method and then adding a twist, but it's difficult to tell if it is truly sustainable at the highest levels - the old method was teams having very experienced rosters (i.e. 2023 Washington), the new method is being transfer heavy for starters (i.e. 2023 FSU), and the twist is adding actual production as a requirement for experienced transfers with the production requirement superseding star ratings or prior conference affiliation (i.e. 2025 Indiana). That being said, Indiana's portal miss rate was 15.5%, which was lower than any other team, and, given Indiana's coach has only been there for 2 seasons, it's too early to tell if that result is luck or simply better evaluations.

Time will tell.

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Indiana didn't get lucky this season.

Time will verify that.

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Possibly. The only real way to tell for sure is whether or not Indiana wins another national title in the next 5 years. If so, then it wasn't, and, if not, it was. While that is a very high standard to gauge the program by, it's not unreasonable if the team wins a national title in year #2 of a coach.

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Wrong again, but more evidence that Baylor will persist in Bayloring.

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Saying someone is "wrong" without providing an argument as to why that is the case really doesn't mean anything to anyone. A counterpoint would certainly be welcomed, but it's understandable if there isn't one.

Robert Wilson said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Goes to show what can happen with the right HC & staff which we obviously don't have right now.

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Dude they got $40 in NIL.

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How?

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Maybe Mark Cuban being an Indiana grad ??

BEAR 45 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Goes to show what can happen with the right HC & staff which we obviously don't have right now.

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Dude they got $40 in NIL.

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How?

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Maybe Mark Cuban being an Indiana grad ??

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You think having a coach there that he believes in and is excited about might have motivated him to give that money?

Aberzombie1892 said:

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canoso said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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canoso said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Bearsalwayswin said:

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i just don't buy that indiana bought their whole team, besides mendoza they really didn't get a bunch of crazy big names out of portal

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Indiana successfully combined the old method with the new method and then adding a twist, but it's difficult to tell if it is truly sustainable at the highest levels - the old method was teams having very experienced rosters (i.e. 2023 Washington), the new method is being transfer heavy for starters (i.e. 2023 FSU), and the twist is adding actual production as a requirement for experienced transfers with the production requirement superseding star ratings or prior conference affiliation (i.e. 2025 Indiana). That being said, Indiana's portal miss rate was 15.5%, which was lower than any other team, and, given Indiana's coach has only been there for 2 seasons, it's too early to tell if that result is luck or simply better evaluations.

Time will tell.

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Indiana didn't get lucky this season.

Time will verify that.

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Possibly. The only real way to tell for sure is whether or not Indiana wins another national title in the next 5 years. If so, then it wasn't, and, if not, it was. While that is a very high standard to gauge the program by, it's not unreasonable if the team wins a national title in year #2 of a coach.

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Wrong again, but more evidence that Baylor will persist in Bayloring.

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Saying someone is "wrong" without providing an argument as to why that is the case really doesn't mean anything to anyone. A counterpoint would certainly be welcomed, but it's understandable if there isn't one.

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Both my argument and counterpoint preceded your first response, and also explained why said response would be forthcoming. And your second response is Bayloring par excellence.

Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Goes to show what can happen with the right HC & staff which we obviously don't have right now.

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Dude they got $40 in NIL.

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How?

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Maybe Mark Cuban being an Indiana grad ??

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You think having a coach there that he believes in and is excited about might have motivated him to give that money?

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According to Cuban himself, that was the entire reason he decided to invest in IU's football program.

canoso said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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BUATX2000 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Goes to show what can happen with the right HC & staff which we obviously don't have right now.

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Dude they got $40 in NIL.

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How?

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Maybe Mark Cuban being an Indiana grad ??

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You think having a coach there that he believes in and is excited about might have motivated him to give that money?

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According to Cuban himself, that was the entire reason he decided to invest in IU's football program.

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Yep. That's why I find all these " but they had a lot of money" copes funny. Yeah, that's because the head coach is doing his job. He is selling a vision, and people are buying it. Ergo, they are giving money.

There is a lot of money in Baylor's fan base if we can put together anything exciting and believable enough to get them to donate.

Can you imagine giving Davey poo 20 mil...?

Danielsjackson114 said:

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Can you imagine giving Davey poo 20 mil...?

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You'd have to be crazy as hell

How much money do you think Mark Cuban would be giving to Baylor football right now if he was a Baylor alum?

Zero.

Winning brings in money. What a novel fkn idea Baylor has yet to think of...

Like I said in an earlier post. We are in an adverse downward spiral where our inept coach is continually supported by an administration that does not care about fostering a culture of football excellence and therefore our donors have zipped up their pockets. The last piece won't change until the coach situation changes, which won't change until the administration does. It's a real life Spider-Man meme.