Matt Rhule's record as a head coach is now 28-30. That is clearly a losing record.......
so is he still a winner?????/
so is he still a winner?????/
Winner? How many games has he won this year?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Don't mind OldSchool. He is our own Zig Ziglar. As long as you REALLY believe, that first victory is JUST around the corner (even when it's not). Pollyanna to the highest order.Guy Noir said:Winner? How many games has he won this year?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
BearInBigD said:Don't mind OldSchool. He is our own Zig Ziglar. As long as you REALLY believe, that first victory is JUST around the corner (even when it's not). Pollyanna to the highest order.Guy Noir said:Winner? How many games has he won this year?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
YoakDaddy said:BearInBigD said:Don't mind OldSchool. He is our own Zig Ziglar. As long as you REALLY believe, that first victory is JUST around the corner (even when it's not). Pollyanna to the highest order.Guy Noir said:Winner? How many games has he won this year?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
More like Joel Osteen.
Mothra said:
I wish Joel were a brother, but not sure the gospel he preaches isn't a false one...
Sitting at 0-7 screams loser. Especially becuase no bowl game for Baylor this year. Also, of course Rhule is a loser. He lost to Liberty for Christ's sake. And not just Liberty, he lost to Turner Gill. Yes, THAT Turner Gill who couldn't ever win a Big 12 conference game in the 2 years he coached at Kansas.Sip 'em Beers said:
Rhule is a loser.
DJ Mr. Big Dix said:Sitting at 0-7 screams loser. Especially becuase no bowl game for Baylor this year. Also, of course Rhule is a loser. He lost to Liberty for Christ's sake. And not just Liberty, he lost to Turner Gill. Yes, THAT Turner Gill who couldn't ever win a Big 12 conference game in the 2 years he coached at Kansas.Sip 'em Beers said:
Rhule is a loser.
The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
And thanks for proving my point.bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
The AAC has never been bad. The only people who think it's bad are those who don't know football.cowboycwr said:And thanks for proving my point.bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
For years the AAC was bad.
Now it is suddenly good with references to players drafted, power rankings, etc but all that was ignored when we lost to UCF.
GoldenBear007 said:
Rhule will be hoisting a big 12 trophy in year 3. I complain a lot about Rhule, but I still believe he can get us there.
DJ Mr. Big Dix said:Sitting at 0-7 screams loser. Especially becuase no bowl game for Baylor this year. Also, of course Rhule is a loser. He lost to Liberty for Christ's sake. And not just Liberty, he lost to Turner Gill. Yes, THAT Turner Gill who couldn't ever win a Big 12 conference game in the 2 years he coached at Kansas.Sip 'em Beers said:
Rhule is a loser.
bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
We're not talking about this year. The conversation was about the strength of the AAC the years Matt Rhule was coaching in it. The Big 12 was rated fifth in most of those years by the computers, one spot ahead of the American, which won both of its BCS/New Year's six bowls during that time.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
The Big 12 is 2nd right now behind the B1G according to Sagarin...so that's not true.
bear2be2 said:We're not talking about this year. The conversation was about the strength of the AAC the years Matt Rhule was coaching in it. The Big 12 was rated fifth in most of those years by the computers, one spot ahead of the American, which won both of its BCS/New Year's six bowls during that time.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
The Big 12 is 2nd right now behind the B1G according to Sagarin...so that's not true.
Coaching in a worse conference than the AAC, Art Briles won more than eight games just once in five seasons and was 0-3 in bowl games at Houston. Was he ready for the Baylor job?Krieg said:bear2be2 said:We're not talking about this year. The conversation was about the strength of the AAC the years Matt Rhule was coaching in it. The Big 12 was rated fifth in most of those years by the computers, one spot ahead of the American, which won both of its BCS/New Year's six bowls during that time.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
The Big 12 is 2nd right now behind the B1G according to Sagarin...so that's not true.
Temple would've lost 6 conference games in the Big 12 last year I bet, and maybe more after the attrition of playing his teams every week. Their offense sucked, and no defense can hold enough teams in our conference below 21 to win many games. They also didn't even have to play the best offenses in their own conference, so the D might not have even worked against some of their own.
Besides, he peaked at 10 wins there and 0 bowl wins (yes, in one try coaching and 2 with his team). 2011, 2013, 2014, and 2015 at Baylor were better years in terms of achievements than what he's ever done, and 2012 and 2016 arguably are as well in a lot of ways and woulda definitely be his #2 ever season.
He did a fine job at Temple, but let's call it what it was. He had 2 good seasons out of 4, and in his best season still lost to Army after an entire off-season to prepare. He wasn't ready for this job. Maybe he will be soon enough to succeed here, and hopefully somehow that happens, but he wasn't ready for this year at all.
bear2be2 said:Coaching in a worse conference than the AAC, Art Briles won more than eight games just once in five seasons and was 0-3 in bowl games at Houston. Was he ready for the Baylor job?Krieg said:bear2be2 said:We're not talking about this year. The conversation was about the strength of the AAC the years Matt Rhule was coaching in it. The Big 12 was rated fifth in most of those years by the computers, one spot ahead of the American, which won both of its BCS/New Year's six bowls during that time.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
The Big 12 is 2nd right now behind the B1G according to Sagarin...so that's not true.
Temple would've lost 6 conference games in the Big 12 last year I bet, and maybe more after the attrition of playing his teams every week. Their offense sucked, and no defense can hold enough teams in our conference below 21 to win many games. They also didn't even have to play the best offenses in their own conference, so the D might not have even worked against some of their own.
Besides, he peaked at 10 wins there and 0 bowl wins (yes, in one try coaching and 2 with his team). 2011, 2013, 2014, and 2015 at Baylor were better years in terms of achievements than what he's ever done, and 2012 and 2016 arguably are as well in a lot of ways and woulda definitely be his #2 ever season.
He did a fine job at Temple, but let's call it what it was. He had 2 good seasons out of 4, and in his best season still lost to Army after an entire off-season to prepare. He wasn't ready for this job. Maybe he will be soon enough to succeed here, and hopefully somehow that happens, but he wasn't ready for this year at all.
The problem with this post -- like most opinions on this board -- is it fails to take into account the impact the scandal had on our program and the attractiveness of our job. We weren't going to poach a proven Power 5 coach to come take on this mess. It was going to be a guy like Rhule who had had success at a lower level and was ready for a new challenge.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:Coaching in a worse conference than the AAC, Art Briles won more than eight games just once in five seasons and was 0-3 in bowl games at Houston. Was he ready for the Baylor job?Krieg said:bear2be2 said:We're not talking about this year. The conversation was about the strength of the AAC the years Matt Rhule was coaching in it. The Big 12 was rated fifth in most of those years by the computers, one spot ahead of the American, which won both of its BCS/New Year's six bowls during that time.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
The Big 12 is 2nd right now behind the B1G according to Sagarin...so that's not true.
Temple would've lost 6 conference games in the Big 12 last year I bet, and maybe more after the attrition of playing his teams every week. Their offense sucked, and no defense can hold enough teams in our conference below 21 to win many games. They also didn't even have to play the best offenses in their own conference, so the D might not have even worked against some of their own.
Besides, he peaked at 10 wins there and 0 bowl wins (yes, in one try coaching and 2 with his team). 2011, 2013, 2014, and 2015 at Baylor were better years in terms of achievements than what he's ever done, and 2012 and 2016 arguably are as well in a lot of ways and woulda definitely be his #2 ever season.
He did a fine job at Temple, but let's call it what it was. He had 2 good seasons out of 4, and in his best season still lost to Army after an entire off-season to prepare. He wasn't ready for this job. Maybe he will be soon enough to succeed here, and hopefully somehow that happens, but he wasn't ready for this year at all.
For a job at a place that hadn't even been to a bowl game in more than a decade?
That's the exact time you hire someone like Briles, or Rhule if you're crazy enough to think his strategy could revive a dead program in the Big 12.
You don't hire a guy that's a 180 from your previous strategy unless that strategy was a failure. You also only hire people with plans for succeeding in some measure with the guys on campus so you don't go 10 steps backwards in year 1.
This is absolutely right. No better coach was coming to Baylor after what the BOI did.bear2be2 said:The problem with this post -- like most opinions on this board -- is it fails to take into account the impact the scandal had on our program and the attractiveness of our job. We weren't going to poach a proven Power 5 coach to come take on this mess. It was going to be a guy like Rhule who had had success at a lower level and was ready for a new challenge.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:Coaching in a worse conference than the AAC, Art Briles won more than eight games just once in five seasons and was 0-3 in bowl games at Houston. Was he ready for the Baylor job?Krieg said:bear2be2 said:We're not talking about this year. The conversation was about the strength of the AAC the years Matt Rhule was coaching in it. The Big 12 was rated fifth in most of those years by the computers, one spot ahead of the American, which won both of its BCS/New Year's six bowls during that time.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
The Big 12 is 2nd right now behind the B1G according to Sagarin...so that's not true.
Temple would've lost 6 conference games in the Big 12 last year I bet, and maybe more after the attrition of playing his teams every week. Their offense sucked, and no defense can hold enough teams in our conference below 21 to win many games. They also didn't even have to play the best offenses in their own conference, so the D might not have even worked against some of their own.
Besides, he peaked at 10 wins there and 0 bowl wins (yes, in one try coaching and 2 with his team). 2011, 2013, 2014, and 2015 at Baylor were better years in terms of achievements than what he's ever done, and 2012 and 2016 arguably are as well in a lot of ways and woulda definitely be his #2 ever season.
He did a fine job at Temple, but let's call it what it was. He had 2 good seasons out of 4, and in his best season still lost to Army after an entire off-season to prepare. He wasn't ready for this job. Maybe he will be soon enough to succeed here, and hopefully somehow that happens, but he wasn't ready for this year at all.
For a job at a place that hadn't even been to a bowl game in more than a decade?
That's the exact time you hire someone like Briles, or Rhule if you're crazy enough to think his strategy could revive a dead program in the Big 12.
You don't hire a guy that's a 180 from your previous strategy unless that strategy was a failure. You also only hire people with plans for succeeding in some measure with the guys on campus so you don't go 10 steps backwards in year 1.
Could we have hired someone more in line philosophically with the schemes we had run in the past? Probably. But we weren't going to hire anyone with a more impressive resume than Rhule -- a championship coach in the sixth best conference in the country. Hell, it took a seven-year deal to get him here.
And to say that we've taken 10 steps backward this season is to ignore that we lost our last six regular-season games with a better and more experienced roster last year and looked dreadful doing it for the most part. This has been a bad team for a good while.
I couldn't disagree more with your first sentence. I'm not nearly as concerned about a coach's floor as his ceiling. And I'm fine going through a one- or two-year rebuilding process if it means greater reward in the end. If given a choice between a Matt Rhule or a Kliff Kingsbury (at the time of his Tech hire), I'm choosing Rhule all day every day. Time will tell if I'm right, but I'm more than happy to take those odds.Krieg said:
A successful OC that ran the right scheme would've been a much smarter hire with less rebuild time.
As for the team, they weren't bad last year. They went 6-0 and then the coaches and team got trashed by some BoR cowards and they quit.
They also dominated a G5 team that won 10 games last year to end the season.
You better hope your home isn't flooding and need him to open his doors for you.......Pale Rider said:Mothra said:
I wish Joel were a brother, but not sure the gospel he preaches isn't a false one...
I believe he knows Jesus, he has just chosen a different marketing strategy for presenting the "Good News."
Krieg said:bear2be2 said:Coaching in a worse conference than the AAC, Art Briles won more than eight games just once in five seasons and was 0-3 in bowl games at Houston. Was he ready for the Baylor job?Krieg said:bear2be2 said:We're not talking about this year. The conversation was about the strength of the AAC the years Matt Rhule was coaching in it. The Big 12 was rated fifth in most of those years by the computers, one spot ahead of the American, which won both of its BCS/New Year's six bowls during that time.Krieg said:bear2be2 said:The AAC had more players drafted than the Big 12 did last year and it hasn't been as far behind the Big 12 in conference power ratings as most here want to believe in recent years. The AAC isn't a great league, but it's very competitive.cowboycwr said:Competitive Conference? When did he coach in a competitive conference? Because for years we were told that the AAC is a crap conference and losing to UCF was an embarrassment. Now it is a competitive conference?OldSchoolBU said:
Rhule is a winner. A proven winner in a competitive conference. Get your panties unwad and trust the process! Enjoy the improvement this year. Expect a team that will compete for a conference championship next year.
Amazing the twisting that goes on to justify Rhule.
The Big 12 is 2nd right now behind the B1G according to Sagarin...so that's not true.
Temple would've lost 6 conference games in the Big 12 last year I bet, and maybe more after the attrition of playing his teams every week. Their offense sucked, and no defense can hold enough teams in our conference below 21 to win many games. They also didn't even have to play the best offenses in their own conference, so the D might not have even worked against some of their own.
Besides, he peaked at 10 wins there and 0 bowl wins (yes, in one try coaching and 2 with his team). 2011, 2013, 2014, and 2015 at Baylor were better years in terms of achievements than what he's ever done, and 2012 and 2016 arguably are as well in a lot of ways and woulda definitely be his #2 ever season.
He did a fine job at Temple, but let's call it what it was. He had 2 good seasons out of 4, and in his best season still lost to Army after an entire off-season to prepare. He wasn't ready for this job. Maybe he will be soon enough to succeed here, and hopefully somehow that happens, but he wasn't ready for this year at all.
For a job at a place that hadn't even been to a bowl game in more than a decade?
That's the exact time you hire someone like Briles, or Rhule if you're crazy enough to think his strategy could revive a dead program in the Big 12.
You don't hire a guy that's a 180 from your previous strategy unless that strategy was a failure. You also only hire people with plans for succeeding in some measure with the guys on campus so you don't go 10 steps backwards in year 1.