Not an expert on North Texas football, but they were very good last year relative to their conference, and I have to think that they were able to bring in some talent with whatever buyout money they got for Eric Morris on top of the momentum from last year's success. I think Neal Brown is an example of a coach that can succeed at a mid major conference with decent resources, but that's basically the extent of his abilities. He's not a terrible coach, but I really don't want him

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If you haven't had a chance to go listen to Coach K's first press conference do it. He absolutely nails it. Wish him all the luck, but his name may need to be on this list.

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I saw some of that press conference and I agree.

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UNT plays FAU tonight. Depending how far Baylor goes down their list this could be a game to watch. Brown has done an incredible job at UNT this season with a first year roster that was like 75% turned over.

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You mentioned Neal Brown, but the FAU coach Zach Kitley is actually one I've seen I mentioned as a potential candidate in at least one article. Very much a HUNH guy. Not particularly interested, but if you want a young, offense minded coach that's good working with quarterbacks, he's one to look at

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DTBear said:

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UNT plays FAU tonight. Depending how far Baylor goes down their list this could be a game to watch. Brown has done an incredible job at UNT this season with a first year roster that was like 75% turned over.

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You mentioned Neal Brown, but the FAU coach Zach Kitley is actually one I've seen I mentioned as a potential candidate in at least one article. Very much a HUNH guy. Not particularly interested, but if you want a young, offense minded coach that's good working with quarterbacks, he's one to look at

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I will watch the game but Kittley is too horizontal passing screeny. From what I have seen watching UNT this year is more power running and deep passes.

DTBear said:

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UNT plays FAU tonight. Depending how far Baylor goes down their list this could be a game to watch. Brown has done an incredible job at UNT this season with a first year roster that was like 75% turned over.

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I think UNT will handle FAU, whose record is a little deceiving in that they haven't played a very good schedule so far. But it should be a fun game. The American is a lot like the old Big 12 in terms of scoring. If you like offensive football, that's a great league to watch.

None of them can keep any of their D-linemen, so the offenses are way ahead of the defenses.

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I'm really not interested in Brown. He was around .500 over 6 seasons at the P4 level. Why fire Aranda if this is who you would hire?

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I think Brown is a good coach. I wouldn't mind him if we fell far enough down our list, but we'd have to fall pretty far for that.

West Virginia is a really hard place to get talent and win in the modern era, though. I think Brown could succeed at a Texas P4 school.

Billy Bolls said:

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DTBear said:

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UNT plays FAU tonight. Depending how far Baylor goes down their list this could be a game to watch. Brown has done an incredible job at UNT this season with a first year roster that was like 75% turned over.

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You mentioned Neal Brown, but the FAU coach Zach Kitley is actually one I've seen I mentioned as a potential candidate in at least one article. Very much a HUNH guy. Not particularly interested, but if you want a young, offense minded coach that's good working with quarterbacks, he's one to look at

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I'd rather have Brown than Kittley. Kittley's a good dude and a solid coach, but his offense is finesse as hell, and finesse doesn't win big in this era.

Pretty much all of the Air Raid tree guys are underachieving right now for that reason.

Bill Napier with a chance to get JMU to 8-1 tonight.

If we picked him up would he be able to reunite us with Ron Roberts?

boognish_bear said:

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Bill Napier with a chance to get JMU to 8-1 tonight.

If we picked him up would he be able to reunite us with Ron Roberts?

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Recalculating...JMU upset as a 17 point favorite by Troy...now 7-2

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boognish_bear said:

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Bill Napier with a chance to get JMU to 8-1 tonight.

If we picked him up would he be able to reunite us with Ron Roberts?

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Recalculating...JMU upset as a 17 point favorite by Troy...now 7-2

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Napier was a victim of Dave-alytics tonight.

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PartyBear said:

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I'm really not interested in Brown. He was around .500 over 6 seasons at the P4 level. Why fire Aranda if this is who you would hire?

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I think Brown is a good coach. I wouldn't mind him if we fell far enough down our list, but we'd have to fall pretty far for that.

West Virginia is a really hard place to get talent and win in the modern era, though. I think Brown could succeed at a Texas P4 school.

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Falling down the list, so to speak. I know most think the Baylor job is a great option. Are there any concerns about the top 3-5 choices BU would want might tell Baylor to pound sand?

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Falling down the list, so to speak. I know most think the Baylor job is a great option. Are there any concerns about the top 3-5 choices BU would want might tell Baylor to pound sand?

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I don't think too many people are going to pick NC State or Maryland over Baylor. But Yes there is, particularly if jobs like Clemson, Florida State, and TCU start to open.

Unfortunately the mismanagement of the football program over the past decade has seen it slip significantly even in Texas. We're behind Texas, A&M, SMU, and TCU making us probably the 5th most attractive program in the state.

We haven't been mismanaged. The only 2 reasons TCU and SMU might be more attractive is now they are both P4 as well and location in one of the country's largest metro areas. But SMU isn't going to fire their HC and TCU is like we were the last couple of years, they likely cant afford to make a move this year.

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We haven't been mismanaged. The only 2 reasons TCU and SMU might be more attractive is now they are both P4 as well and location in one of the country's largest metro areas. But SMU isn't going to fire their HC and TCU is like we were the last couple of years, they likely cant afford to make a move this year.

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How does one say they're oblivious without using that word?

Perhaps you should explain in detail how Baylor has been mismanaged into some terrible state and state how it is currently in a terrible state. Explain the superiority of TCU and SMU beyond location and the attractiveness of living there versus Waco for a HC candidate. I have seen Baylor athletics mismanaged into a terrible state. I have seen nothing in recent years close to that. Not even ignoring NIL its first two years did any kind of longer term damage.

PartyBear said:

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Perhaps you should explain in detail how Baylor has been mismanaged into some terrible state and state how it is currently in a terrible state. Explain the superiority of TCU and SMU beyond location and the attractiveness of living there versus Waco for a HC candidate. I have seen Baylor athletics mismanaged into a terrible state. I have seen nothing in recent years close to that. Not even ignoring NIL its first two years did any kind of longer term damage.

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I've never seen any more convincing corroboration of anything I've ever said on these boards. Thanks!

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Billy Bolls said:

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DTBear said:

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UNT plays FAU tonight. Depending how far Baylor goes down their list this could be a game to watch. Brown has done an incredible job at UNT this season with a first year roster that was like 75% turned over.

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You mentioned Neal Brown, but the FAU coach Zach Kitley is actually one I've seen I mentioned as a potential candidate in at least one article. Very much a HUNH guy. Not particularly interested, but if you want a young, offense minded coach that's good working with quarterbacks, he's one to look at

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I'd rather have Brown than Kittley. Kittley's a good dude and a solid coach, but his offense is finesse as hell, and finesse doesn't win big in this era.

Pretty much all of the Air Raid tree guys are underachieving right now for that reason.

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No to Neal Bown. He would be Aranda 2.0.

Did not succeed at West Virginia. He would not succeed here.

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PartyBear said:

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Perhaps you should explain in detail how Baylor has been mismanaged into some terrible state and state how it is currently in a terrible state. Explain the superiority of TCU and SMU beyond location and the attractiveness of living there versus Waco for a HC candidate. I have seen Baylor athletics mismanaged into a terrible state. I have seen nothing in recent years close to that. Not even ignoring NIL its first two years did any kind of longer term damage.

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I've never seen any more convincing corroboration of anything I've ever said on these boards. Thanks!

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You seem full of typing words with an inability to explain what you are trying to communicate. Your masking abilities aren't as good as you think. Best of luck.

I don't see how Baylor can help that media partners would view DFW and Houston as larger populations than Waco. It is a fact and Baylor's administration did not cause that. All that said we are not in as bad of shape as some here think. We are in the same general tier as SMU and TCU. It is only Texas and A&M way a head of us. We have survived being in far worse shape. I'm not saying the current administration can't completely fxxxx up and put us back to that kind of state at this particular juncture. I have expressly worried about that here. But right now. We are not as unattractive as some here think,

We have only been in significantly better shape for about 5 years of our history actually.

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I know Doug said he wanted an offensive minded coach, but what if Klanderman coaches his ass off the rest of the season. Surely he's got to get some consideration, right?

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I can make the case that a Defensive Coordinator would make an excellent offensive coordinator. They know what (plays, techniques, talent) is difficult to defend, and you have to assume they have more than half a brain.

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Ya sorry. I wasn't clear.

I'm thinking that since we have never poached a successful HC from a P4, what is the point of saying we can no longer do it? We have never done it, regardless of the state of the program.

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I wonder how many from P4's have shown no interest if ask if they would come?

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Based on our hiring history, I doubt we have contacted a current P4 coach.

We target coordinators and lower level coaches. i.e. G5, FCS etc..

That's assuming our AD has the green light (money) to even make it happen,

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A coaching move is usually made by a candidate who believes he is moving up in his career. If Baylor wants a proven winner from P4, who is currently winning, why would that candidate consider Baylor? It's at best a sideways move. That's why, Ok St, Florida, Auburn and UCLA all recruited their new HC's from G6 winners.

Realitybites said:

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Unfortunately the mismanagement of the football program over the past decade has seen it slip significantly even in Texas. We're behind Texas, A&M, SMU, and TCU making us probably the 5th most attractive program in the state.

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I'd add UH as being ahead of us so we're behind the top 5

bear2be2 said:

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West Virginia is a really hard place to get talent and win in the modern era, though. I think Brown could succeed at a Texas P4 school.

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Agreed but how does that explain we are 5-8 against WVU since they joined the B-8 ?

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bear2be2 said:

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West Virginia is a really hard place to get talent and win in the modern era, though. I think Brown could succeed at a Texas P4 school.

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Agreed but how does that explain we are 5-8 against WVU since they joined the B-8 ?

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We've fielded too many bad to mediocre teams in the last 15 years.

Our floor is one of the lowest among the eight Big 12 leftovers, but our ceiling is one of the highest.

That's why it's important with this next hire to bring in a coach who will raise our floor by winning at an acceptable level more consistently. If we can get to a place where our baseline seasons are 7-5 and 8-4, we'll likely be one of the best programs in the Big 12 because history has already told us our best teams can be very good.

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Realitybites said:

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Unfortunately the mismanagement of the football program over the past decade has seen it slip significantly even in Texas. We're behind Texas, A&M, SMU, and TCU making us probably the 5th most attractive program in the state.

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I'd add UH as being ahead of us so we're behind the top 5

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Not really. UH and BU are in the same tier with pros and cons for both.

This year? I believe UH is head and shoulders above us.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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This year? I believe UH is head and shoulders above us.

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Regardless of year. You have to take the programs as a whole and not a narrow snapshot in time.

UH has the inertia but there is still a lot of ground to cover

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— Pat Forde (@ByPatForde) October 30, 2026

The carousel has finally begun to spin, with three head coach openings in the last week: Maryland, North Carolina State and Baylor. Losing to Rutgers, Stanford and Kansas, respectively, will get a man whacked.

Of the three jobs, The Dash would rank Baylor first. It sits deep in the heart of talent-rich Texas, has prominent alumni backing, is in a conference that allows for upward mobility and has had some recent success. Each of the last three coaches (the just-deposed Dave Aranda, Matt Rhule and Art Briles) had at least one 11-win season and a top 15 finish. You can reach the College Football Playoff from Waco, especially in the easy-button era that is to come.

Step one: Lincoln Riley to Baylor (11). Patience is expiring at USC, where Riley has failed to deliver on big expectations and a bigger salary. After a splashy first season in Los Angeles with Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams, Riley's Trojans have gone 3017 and failed to contend for anything. This was the No Excuses Season, with a talented roster and the Trojans ducking rival Notre Dame to soften up the schedule. Instead, USC has been beaten handily by a pretty good Wisconsin team and a wildly disappointing Oregon, with no quality wins to speak of and three top-10 opponents still to come. Making matters worse, Bob Chesney is making Riley look terrible across town at UCLA.

So it's time for Riley to look for a soft landing in his home state, and in a league where wide-open offense might better compensate for insufficient defense. Baylor fans loved the scoreboard-exploding Briles era (despite all the baggage that came with it), and Riley is a current extension of that football philosophy. Time to beat the posse out of L.A., Lincoln.

A competing domino theory sends Matt Rhule (12) back to Baylor, with fans at Nebraska eagerly helping Rhule pack. But even after the disappointments at USC, Riley is the more attractive choice than Rhule, whose post-Baylor record in the NFL and at Nebraska is 3548. With, as everyone knows, exactly zero notable victories.

BREAKING: NC State legend and former NFL QB Philip Rivers has emerged as the focus of the Wolfpack's coaching search, @Clowfb, @PeteNakos and @Brett_McMurphy report🐺

With Rivers finishing out the high school season in Alabama, sources tell On3 there is no timetable for his… pic.twitter.com/HeH2OWCK3v

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The crowd at Amon G. Carter Stadium told the story. The Sonny Dykes tenure is at its end, and that end could come as early as today.

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Head is firmly up azz

NEW: Florida State University leadership is currently meeting over the future of head coach Mike Norvell, @PeteNakos & @Clowfb report.

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