that's certainly ok...because I don't know who the F the ad agency is.
LMAO
LMAO
Because I'm curious, just like George.Gust Avrakotos said:It's actually as simple as Curious George...Frank....to those of us with experience.Pale Rider said:
I feel like I'm reading "Curious George."
Oops, I'm supposed to have Gust on ignore.
Oh well this time, whomever "Gust" is makes pretty reasonable sense; even if it pains me to say it.
But to those on this board that have no business sense or those who inherited Daddy's company...it probably seems like rocket science.
Why am I off ignore?
Agreed.Robert Wilson said:As to the "rebuild from the bottom" stuff, you explain it honestly. Young players and recruits will be receptive to it. Returning players may not, but they already know anyway. That's why some of them left before the fall.Yogi said:In all fairness to Matt Rhule, how do you spin a season this terrible?Robert Wilson said:
I'm still hanging onto irrational hope.
But he has been stubborn to a fault (or occasionally blind - just as bad or worse). And he has sounded like Steele.
Are you blatantly honest, in which case, you could disrupt any current team chemistry, or worse, interfere with future recruiting classes?
I don't know what Matt Rhule could better than what he is saying now unless he said nothing at all.
He has to keep it positive. This is a setback for both Rhule and the program. He is still trying to get Briles' recruits and his recruits alike to buy into the system.
I don't envy Rhule at all because he realizes there is no way to explain some of the crap that is happening on the field this season.
As to the "oops I screwed up" stuff that "there is no way to explain," go ahead and be honest and own that, too.
I'd much rather hear him go Lou Holz than Kevin Steele. But that's just me.
With that thought process, so does Rhule and he won't get an offer either. I know, I said 'process'. Sue meBoatshoes said:Back so soon?MilliVanilli said:
Briles wanted the UT gig, he didn't get an offer.
"If early indicators are a sign" ...."shows cluelessness, but probably getting ego stroked by Rhodes.TellMeYouLoveMe said:
JBBOne thing that is drasticly different from the Steele years is the choice of Athletic Director.
Tom Stanton was:
1)inept 2) unqualified and 3) the most arrogant SOB I've ever seen in a Baylor leadership position. When people complained they were shut out and he insulated himself with donors that bought into his lies.
He nearly killed Baylor''s athletic efforts and he drove alumni away by the thousand. Factor in a corrupt president and the board of directors and he was the AD for life.
Time will tell, but if the early indicators are a sign, Mack Rhoades will be an excellent AD for us. He''s as professional as we've seen and he's hitting a spot in his career where he can have clout in the power circles that will make a big difference.
there is certainly the possibility that Rhule is a failure, but I trust Rhoades to manage the organization.
1) I haven't met Rhodes, but my contact in the Big 12 Office likes him. That's all I said.possible12 said:"If early indicators are a sign" ...."shows cluelessness, but probably getting ego stroked by Rhodes.TellMeYouLoveMe said:
LJBBOne thing that is drasticly different from the Steele years is the choice of Athletic Director.
Tom Stanton was:
1)inept 2) unqualified and 3) the most arrogant SOB I've ever seen in a Baylor leadership position. When people complained they were shut out and he insulated himself with donors that bought into his lies.
He nearly killed Baylor''s athletic efforts and he drove alumni away by the thousand. Factor in a corrupt president and the board of directors and he was the AD for life.
Time will tell, but if the early indicators are a sign, Mack Rhoades will be an excellent AD for us. He''s as professional as we've seen and he's hitting a spot in his career where he can have clout in the power circles that will make a big difference.
there is certainly the possibility that Rhule is a failure, but I trust Rhoades to manage the organization.
"By the thousands" show you're still not over getting ignored at some function that you were a token invite and did not get proper (in ur mind) recognition. Grudges are heavy.
Stranger said:
Has anybody hired a plane pulling a banner for the parade Saturday?
Any banner ideas? How about. . .
BOR - BUY HIM OUT !
HIT THE RHOAD RHULE
GRIND RHULE IN THE PROCESSOR
KEVIN STEELE LIVES!
STOP THE PROCESS NOW !
PULL THE PLUG NOW BOR !
BOR ITS NOT TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING !
D. C. Bear said:Stranger said:
Has anybody hired a plane pulling a banner for the parade Saturday?
Any banner ideas? How about. . .
BOR - BUY HIM OUT !
HIT THE RHOAD RHULE
GRIND RHULE IN THE PROCESSOR
KEVIN STEELE LIVES!
STOP THE PROCESS NOW !
PULL THE PLUG NOW BOR !
BOR ITS NOT TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING !
How about you sit down, shut up and give the guys more than two months?
D. C. Bear said:Stranger said:
Has anybody hired a plane pulling a banner for the parade Saturday?
Any banner ideas? How about. . .
BOR - BUY HIM OUT !
HIT THE RHOAD RHULE
GRIND RHULE IN THE PROCESSOR
KEVIN STEELE LIVES!
STOP THE PROCESS NOW !
PULL THE PLUG NOW BOR !
BOR ITS NOT TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING !
How about you sit down, shut up
I think Matt Rhule should stay because, honestly, I not sure who else would want to come to Baylor following the scandal, an 0-12 season, a dead recruiting class and a one and done coach.Stranger said:
Has anybody hired a plane pulling a banner for the parade Saturday?
Any banner ideas? How about. . .
BOR - BUY HIM OUT !
HIT THE RHOADE RHULE
GRIND RHULE IN THE PROCESSOR
KEVIN STEELE LIVES!
STOP THE PROCESS NOW !
PULL THE PLUG NOW BOR !
BOR ITS NOT TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING !
You just made my point. No butt hurt here, nor in my comment. But sure got your big shot dander up. Contact in b-12 office? You missed on every point by years and money and background and contacts. Rhodes may be fine and Rhule may be fine, but you went personal and off topic cause your panties got in a bunch for not getting your ass kissed what ? 20yrs ago. Let it go it's still not about you. 3 administrations later and your still pressed up against the window.TellMeYouLoveMe said:1) I haven't met Rhodes, but my contact in the Big 12 Office likes him. That's all I said.possible12 said:"If early indicators are a sign" ...."shows cluelessness, but probably getting ego stroked by Rhodes.TellMeYouLoveMe said:
LJBBOne thing that is drasticly different from the Steele years is the choice of Athletic Director.
Tom Stanton was:
1)inept 2) unqualified and 3) the most arrogant SOB I've ever seen in a Baylor leadership position. When people complained they were shut out and he insulated himself with donors that bought into his lies.
He nearly killed Baylor''s athletic efforts and he drove alumni away by the thousand. Factor in a corrupt president and the board of directors and he was the AD for life.
Time will tell, but if the early indicators are a sign, Mack Rhoades will be an excellent AD for us. He''s as professional as we've seen and he's hitting a spot in his career where he can have clout in the power circles that will make a big difference.
there is certainly the possibility that Rhule is a failure, but I trust Rhoades to manage the organization.
"By the thousands" show you're still not over getting ignored at some function that you were a token invite and did not get proper (in ur mind) recognition. Grudges are heavy.
2) alumni held meetings and conference calls in Dallas to discuss ways to unseat Stanton, be it by protest or donation, But as it turns out, he and the president were friends from High School. He had no prior AD experience. Previous job was selling sheet music. He refused to meet with some alums and former greats to discuss ways to improve. Basically stonewalled any dissent. Alums resorted to flying banners over head at gameshighlightong his record.
You're probably too young to remember that, which says a lot.
You sound really, really butt hurt because you lost your chosen coach and now you can't wear your favorite hipster sweater at the games on Saturday. All I can say is quit being a *****.
Deal with it. Your mommy and Daddy can't buy you out of this and change is a part of life.
We have an AD with as much Street credibility as we have ever had. I'll take it as improvement.
D. C. Bear said:
How about you sit down, shut up and give the guys more than two months?
Blah, blah, blah, blah blah.possible12 said:You just made my point. No butt hurt here, nor in my comment. But sure got your big shot dander up. Contact in b-12 office? You missed on every point by years and money and background and contacts. Rhodes may be fine and Rhule may be fine, but you went personal and off topic cause your panties got in a bunch for not getting your ass kissed what ? 20yrs ago. Let it go it's still not about you. 3 administrations later and your still pressed up against the window.TellMeYouLoveMe said:1) I haven't met Rhodes, but my contact in the Big 12 Office likes him. That's all I said.possible12 said:"If early indicators are a sign" ...."shows cluelessness, but probably getting ego stroked by Rhodes.TellMeYouLoveMe said:
LJBBOne thing that is drasticly different from the Steele years is the choice of Athletic Director.
Tom Stanton was:
1)inept 2) unqualified and 3) the most arrogant SOB I've ever seen in a Baylor leadership position. When people complained they were shut out and he insulated himself with donors that bought into his lies.
He nearly killed Baylor''s athletic efforts and he drove alumni away by the thousand. Factor in a corrupt president and the board of directors and he was the AD for life.
Time will tell, but if the early indicators are a sign, Mack Rhoades will be an excellent AD for us. He''s as professional as we've seen and he's hitting a spot in his career where he can have clout in the power circles that will make a big difference.
there is certainly the possibility that Rhule is a failure, but I trust Rhoades to manage the organization.
"By the thousands" show you're still not over getting ignored at some function that you were a token invite and did not get proper (in ur mind) recognition. Grudges are heavy.
2) alumni held meetings and conference calls in Dallas to discuss ways to unseat Stanton, be it by protest or donation, But as it turns out, he and the president were friends from High School. He had no prior AD experience. Previous job was selling sheet music. He refused to meet with some alums and former greats to discuss ways to improve. Basically stonewalled any dissent. Alums resorted to flying banners over head at gameshighlightong his record.
You're probably too young to remember that, which says a lot.
You sound really, really butt hurt because you lost your chosen coach and now you can't wear your favorite hipster sweater at the games on Saturday. All I can say is quit being a *****.
Deal with it. Your mommy and Daddy can't buy you out of this and change is a part of life.
We have an AD with as much Street credibility as we have ever had. I'll take it as improvement.
Anyone with dissenting pumper opinion is automatically pro Briles...wrong again. Way wrong..now go huddle up with your attaboys and fist bump awkwardly about your B-12 contacts cause you called a poster a *****.
Stranger said:
I hear talk of "give Rhule three years" Or "four years and he'll git er done."
Dear friends, as cheerful as it sounds, that is not reality.
So here we are. Back on the corner again. Back where we've always been. Back where we belong.
So Matt Rhule is the new messiah.
Excuse me, but a bunch of us old timers feel like we've met this guy before. Nineteen years was the pattern this time. Nineteen years when it wasn't any fun to be a Baylor Bear fan. Most of you can't even imagine how bad it got in those years. Our golden days have been few and far between.
So, Baylor fans we give you Matt Rhule. I'm sure he is a beautiful guy. A hale fellow well-met. Sunday school teacher, part-time preacher. Family Guy. Teller of inspirational half-time tales. Tougher than a junk-yard dog.
But can the man coach? So far his coaching exhibition shows me that he is bull-headed and unable to adapt to the type of players he inherited. He apparently has the support of his AD and regents to ignore his talent and break them down into some sort of Penn State and B1G model or be damned trying. If that's what he is, then our AD and regents did a piss-poor job of evaluting this young man.
He has found himself at the rock-bottom of a conference where you must score forty points a game or you don't win ANY games.
And right now that's where he is dragging Baylor.
The worst part is, I find myself closing my eyes while he speaks and thinking that I am listening to one Kevin Steele. Same bs. same rap. same, the Good Lord, same building character, same let's take it down so we can build it back up.
This ain't gonna get no better folks. If you are buying this boy's process you've just signed on for 18 more years of wandering the wilderness. We older guys have read this book and seen this movie.
It will not get better anytime soon.
Pay him off and send him back where he came from. Baylor will be better off in the long run.
There has to be somebody that can coach this football team better than this.
State of Missouri say what the f*&$@TellMeYouLoveMe said:
One thing that is drasticly different from the Steele years is the choice of Athletic Director.
Tom Stanton was:
1)inept 2) unqualified and 3) the most arrogant SOB I've ever seen in a Baylor leadership position. When people complained they were shut out and he insulated himself with donors that bought into his lies.
He nearly killed Baylor''s athletic efforts and he drove alumni away by the thousand. Factor in a corrupt president and the board of directors and he was the AD for life.
Time will tell, but if the early indicators are a sign, Mack Rhoades will be an excellent AD for us. He''s as professional as we've seen and he's hitting a spot in his career where he can have clout in the power circles that will make a big difference.
there is certainly the possibility that Rhule is a failure, but I trust Rhoades to manage the organization.
Stranger said:
I hear talk of "give Rhule three years" Or "four years and he'll git er done."
Dear friends, as cheerful as it sounds, that is not reality.
As most of could point out, I attended my first Baylor game in Forth Worth in a driving rain, in 1955, at the age of six and watched Jim Swink and his Texas Christian Horny Toads run it up our ass all afternoon long. I've been attending every year since and for the most part it hasn't gotten any better.
Oh, there have been some bright spots along the way. Del Shofner and company beating the Tennessee Volunteers at the Sugar Bowl on January 1st, 1957. I wasn't there but my folks were. Dad said the Baptists hit New Orleans with the Ten Commandments and a ten-dollar bill and didn't break either one.
Bridgers early years with Trull, Elkins, Ronny Goodwin, Ronny Bull, Bobby Green, et al. I was a student in the twilight of Bridgers' career and always thought he could have done better with a little more in the way of money and facilities. All of my classmates were recruited by Bridgers. By then Baylor regents had given up on John.
Then came Bill Beall. Baylor hired him on the cheap ($27,000 per year). He was recommended by almost nobody. The best thing that could be said about him by his two former college bosses (Jess Neely at Rice and Charlie McLendon at LSU) was that he was always on time to practices. (that is no lie.) He was hired by a faculty committee who said he looked very organized because he made neat looking notebooks. And he attended church regularly. Baylor got just what they paid for.
He was 0-10 his first year. He won two games his second year. He won one game his third year. The only positive thing he did was bring Roger Goree to Baylor and he turned out to be the toughest player ever to wear a Baylor uniform. Beall had been Roger's little league baseball coach. Many thanks for that, Bill.
The BOR hired a coach from New Mexico named Rudy Feldman to replace him Fortunately for Rudy and Baylor he decided not to fly to Waco to take the job.
Athletic Director Jack Patterson called up a guy from Snyder and McMurry who was coaching ball over at San Angelo named Grant Teaff. Teaff was mainly a motivational speaker and he spoke at every schoolhouse, church, Rotary Club and Cub Scout meeting within fifty miles of Waco the first year he was here.
The rest of the story is history and Baylor became a team you depend on to at least be in the game for the next 21 seasons. Life was pretty good. He'd make you pull your hair out, but by God, we always had a chance to win the dadgum ball game.
Then we began wandering in the wilderness. Again, the regents got cheap. Nobody could match Teaff's optimistic program. Add em up, here. Tell me how many years the Bears wandered in the desert.
Ground Chuck Reedy -4
Dirty Dave Roberts -2
Kevin Steals -4
Nice Guy Morriss -5
Then Briles part 1 -4
____
19 mostly sh*tty years. Sad years, suffering years of more blowouts than I care to remember. Talk about throwing good money after bad. But we loved Baylor
and we believed so we kept the faith and kept spending the money.
.
Then Art Briles caught fire with RG III. It was sweet till his ride came to an end. Us old guys knew it couldn't last but we all hoped it was last longer than it did. And when it all went down, it went down in flames.
So here we are. Back on the corner again. Back where we've always been. Back where we belong.
So Matt Rhule is the new messiah.
Excuse me, but a bunch of us old timers feel like we've met this guy before. Nineteen years was the pattern this time. Nineteen years when it wasn't any fun to be a Baylor Bear fan. Most of you can't even imagine how bad it got in those years. Our golden days have been few and far between.
So, Baylor fans we give you Matt Rhule. I'm sure he is a beautiful guy. A hale fellow well-met. Sunday school teacher, part-time preacher. Family Guy. Teller of inspirational half-time tales. Tougher than a junk-yard dog.
But can the man coach? So far his coaching exhibition shows me that he is bull-headed and unable to adapt to the type of players he inherited. He apparently has the support of his AD and regents to ignore his talent and break them down into some sort of Penn State and B1G model or be damned trying. If that's what he is, then our AD and regents did a piss-poor job of evaluting this young man.
He has found himself at the rock-bottom of a conference where you must score forty points a game or you don't win ANY games.
And right now that's where he is dragging Baylor.
The worst part is, I find myself closing my eyes while he speaks and thinking that I am listening to one Kevin Steele. Same bs. same rap. same, the Good Lord, same building character, same let's take it down so we can build it back up.
This ain't gonna get no better folks. If you are buying this boy's process you've just signed on for 18 more years of wandering the wilderness. We older guys have read this book and seen this movie.
It will not get better anytime soon.
Pay him off and send him back where he came from. Baylor will be better off in the long run.
There has to be somebody that can coach this football team better than this.
Stranger said:Stranger said:
I hear talk of "give Rhule three years" Or "four years and he'll git er done."
Dear friends, as cheerful as it sounds, that is not reality.
So here we are. Back on the corner again. Back where we've always been. Back where we belong.
So Matt Rhule is the new messiah.
Excuse me, but a bunch of us old timers feel like we've met this guy before. Nineteen years was the pattern this time. Nineteen years when it wasn't any fun to be a Baylor Bear fan. Most of you can't even imagine how bad it got in those years. Our golden days have been few and far between.
So, Baylor fans we give you Matt Rhule. I'm sure he is a beautiful guy. A hale fellow well-met. Sunday school teacher, part-time preacher. Family Guy. Teller of inspirational half-time tales. Tougher than a junk-yard dog.
But can the man coach? So far his coaching exhibition shows me that he is bull-headed and unable to adapt to the type of players he inherited. He apparently has the support of his AD and regents to ignore his talent and break them down into some sort of Penn State and B1G model or be damned trying. If that's what he is, then our AD and regents did a piss-poor job of evaluting this young man.
He has found himself at the rock-bottom of a conference where you must score forty points a game or you don't win ANY games.
And right now that's where he is dragging Baylor.
The worst part is, I find myself closing my eyes while he speaks and thinking that I am listening to one Kevin Steele. Same bs. same rap. same, the Good Lord, same building character, same let's take it down so we can build it back up.
This ain't gonna get no better folks. If you are buying this boy's process you've just signed on for 18 more years of wandering the wilderness. We older guys have read this book and seen this movie.
It will not get better anytime soon.
Pay him off and send him back where he came from. Baylor will be better off in the long run.
There has to be somebody that can coach this football team better than this.
I dredged up this abbreviated quote of my very own self from a few weeks ago to remind you Pollyanna types that what I said then was underscored today against a very mediocre Texas team.
Rhule and his merry men can not coach this team. They will not improve. They will not get any better next year. Kansas will be only chance the Bears have. They will lose the rest.
It's time to write your Regent pals it's time to cut bait. Baylor has enough history with losing football to know the truth when faced with it.
Fire Rhoads.
Fire Rhule.!
The bleeding need to stop now.
Gust Avrakotos said:
What a great post....and I am very thankful that we have fans that have been around a long time that don't simply say "the process takes time....she's like an old mule".
As a matter of fact...it's the limp wristed millennials mostly that are spouting Baylor rhetoric and 365 lyrics. Pretty crazy if you think about it because the limp wristed millenials should be ADD and want change and instant gratification.
Gust
Stranger said:
They found $15 million to pay off Briles. They can find $14 million to retire Rhule.
They are going to suffer bigger losses than that if he hangs around.
Hilarious or predictable?LTbear said:Gust Avrakotos said:
What a great post....and I am very thankful that we have fans that have been around a long time that don't simply say "the process takes time....she's like an old mule".
As a matter of fact...it's the limp wristed millennials mostly that are spouting Baylor rhetoric and 365 lyrics. Pretty crazy if you think about it because the limp wristed millenials should be ADD and want change and instant gratification.
Gust
I do find it hilarious that WACK_O_BEAR jumped on here
EvilTroyAndAbed said:
In before "can we stop necroposting?"
I love the necropost. You should own your words. Stranger has been wrong about so much. Heck he's usually wrong about something every week.
Indeed, the OP is simply a certifiable dumbass.Russell Gym said:
The OP is not a knee-jerker. He has stuck to his lecturing guns for the duration.
As for the knee-jerkers, I agree with you completely.
MilliVanilli said:Indeed, the OP is simply a certifiable dumbass.Russell Gym said:
The OP is not a knee-jerker. He has stuck to his lecturing guns for the duration.
As for the knee-jerkers, I agree with you completely.
I stand corrected.Gunny Hartman said:MilliVanilli said:Indeed, the OP is simply a certifiable dumbass.Russell Gym said:
The OP is not a knee-jerker. He has stuck to his lecturing guns for the duration.
As for the knee-jerkers, I agree with you completely.
That's an insult to dumbasses
Russell Gym said:
The OP is not a knee-jerker. He has stuck to his lecturing guns for the duration.
As for the knee-jerkers, I agree with you completely.
BearlySober said:Russell Gym said:
The OP is not a knee-jerker. He has stuck to his lecturing guns for the duration.
As for the knee-jerkers, I agree with you completely.
I do agree with you, I just meant some of the other ones that have been brought up. More of a general statement. The necroposts point was made and it was funny at first, but this **** is getting old.
If this **** is what it takes for you to be happy, then go for it buddy. Hope you find what you need.bularry said:BearlySober said:Russell Gym said:
The OP is not a knee-jerker. He has stuck to his lecturing guns for the duration.
As for the knee-jerkers, I agree with you completely.
I do agree with you, I just meant some of the other ones that have been brought up. More of a general statement. The necroposts point was made and it was funny at first, but this **** is getting old.
No, it isn't