The grim reality of this here situation

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Stranger
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I hear talk of "give Rhule three years" Or "four years and he'll git er done."

Dear friends, as cheerful as it sounds, that is not reality.

As most of could point out, I attended my first Baylor game in Forth Worth in a driving rain, in 1955, at the age of six and watched Jim Swink and his Texas Christian Horny Toads run it up our ass all afternoon long. I've been attending every year since and for the most part it hasn't gotten any better.

Oh, there have been some bright spots along the way. Del Shofner and company beating the Tennessee Volunteers at the Sugar Bowl on January 1st, 1957. I wasn't there but my folks were. Dad said the Baptists hit New Orleans with the Ten Commandments and a ten-dollar bill and didn't break either one.

Bridgers early years with Trull, Elkins, Ronny Goodwin, Ronny Bull, Bobby Green, et al. I was a student in the twilight of Bridgers' career and always thought he could have done better with a little more in the way of money and facilities. All of my classmates were recruited by Bridgers. By then Baylor regents had given up on John.

Then came Bill Beall. Baylor hired him on the cheap ($27,000 per year). He was recommended by almost nobody. The best thing that could be said about him by his two former college bosses (Jess Neely at Rice and Charlie McLendon at LSU) was that he was always on time to practices. (that is no lie.) He was hired by a faculty committee who said he looked very organized because he made neat looking notebooks. And he attended church regularly. Baylor got just what they paid for.

He was 0-10 his first year. He won two games his second year. He won one game his third year. The only positive thing he did was bring Roger Goree to Baylor and he turned out to be the toughest player ever to wear a Baylor uniform. Beall had been Roger's little league baseball coach. Many thanks for that, Bill.

The BOR hired a coach from New Mexico named Rudy Feldman to replace him Fortunately for Rudy and Baylor he decided not to fly to Waco to take the job.

Athletic Director Jack Patterson called up a guy from Snyder and McMurry who was coaching ball over at San Angelo named Grant Teaff. Teaff was mainly a motivational speaker and he spoke at every schoolhouse, church, Rotary Club and Cub Scout meeting within fifty miles of Waco the first year he was here.

The rest of the story is history and Baylor became a team you depend on to at least be in the game for the next 21 seasons. Life was pretty good. He'd make you pull your hair out, but by God, we always had a chance to win the dadgum ball game.

Then we began wandering in the wilderness. Again, the regents got cheap. Nobody could match Teaff's optimistic program. Add em up, here. Tell me how many years the Bears wandered in the desert.
Ground Chuck Reedy -4
Dirty Dave Roberts -2
Kevin Steals -4
Nice Guy Morriss -5
Then Briles part 1 -4
____
19 mostly sh*tty years. Sad years, suffering years of more blowouts than I care to remember. Talk about throwing good money after bad. But we loved Baylor
and we believed so we kept the faith and kept spending the money.

.
Then Art Briles caught fire with RG III. It was sweet till his ride came to an end. Us old guys knew it couldn't last but we all hoped it was last longer than it did. And when it all went down, it went down in flames.

So here we are. Back on the corner again. Back where we've always been. Back where we belong.

So Matt Rhule is the new messiah.

Excuse me, but a bunch of us old timers feel like we've met this guy before. Nineteen years was the pattern this time. Nineteen years when it wasn't any fun to be a Baylor Bear fan. Most of you can't even imagine how bad it got in those years. Our golden days have been few and far between.

So, Baylor fans we give you Matt Rhule. I'm sure he is a beautiful guy. A hale fellow well-met. Sunday school teacher, part-time preacher. Family Guy. Teller of inspirational half-time tales. Tougher than a junk-yard dog.

But can the man coach? So far his coaching exhibition shows me that he is bull-headed and unable to adapt to the type of players he inherited. He apparently has the support of his AD and regents to ignore his talent and break them down into some sort of Penn State and B1G model or be damned trying. If that's what he is, then our AD and regents did a piss-poor job of evaluting this young man.

He has found himself at the rock-bottom of a conference where you must score forty points a game or you don't win ANY games.

And right now that's where he is dragging Baylor.

The worst part is, I find myself closing my eyes while he speaks and thinking that I am listening to one Kevin Steele. Same bs. same rap. same, the Good Lord, same building character, same let's take it down so we can build it back up.

This ain't gonna get no better folks. If you are buying this boy's process you've just signed on for 18 more years of wandering the wilderness. We older guys have read this book and seen this movie.

It will not get better anytime soon.

Pay him off and send him back where he came from. Baylor will be better off in the long run.

There has to be somebody that can coach this football team better than this.



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Gust Avrakotos
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What a great post....and I am very thankful that we have fans that have been around a long time that don't simply say "the process takes time....she's like an old mule".

As a matter of fact...it's the limp wristed millennials mostly that are spouting Baylor rhetoric and 365 lyrics. Pretty crazy if you think about it because the limp wristed millenials should be ADD and want change and instant gratification.

Gust
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I thoroughly enjoyed this post. Thanks for posting!
ArlingtonFarm Fingercuffs
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It's not just the millennials. You have old timer morons like Thee (and undoubtedly BOR members) who think we can win just because of our facilities and location and other intangibles. In their hubris they thought they could plug and play a football staff like the former staff could its offensive playmakers.

Our new wandering through the wilderness will be like UT has been doing now for the better part of a decade, except with far fewer wins.
Jacques Strap
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That's a great post. But CAB is gone and CMR is here for 3 seasons at least. I hope he wins but I have my doubts so I would love to be wrong about where we are headed (CUSA).
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Jacques Strap said:

That's a great post. But CAB is gone and CMR is here for 3 seasons at least. I hope he wins but I have my doubts so I would love to be wrong about where we are headed (CUSA).


There is no damn good reason he needs to stay 3 years. Money talks.
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Jacques Strap
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Stranger said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a great post. But CAB is gone and CMR is here for 3 seasons at least. I hope he wins but I have my doubts so I would love to be wrong about where we are headed (CUSA).


There is no damn good reason he needs to stay 3 years. Money talks.
Well I'll be the first to admit I don't have the deep pockets to help with a buyout so I'm just gonna have to sit and watch. You think Baylor would pull the trigger before 3 seasons are over? Do they even have the cash to do that?
Stranger
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They found $15 million to pay off Briles. They can find $14 million to retire Rhule.

They are going to suffer bigger losses than that if he hangs around.
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Jacques Strap
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Stranger said:

They found $15 million to pay off Briles. They can find $14 million to retire Rhule.

They are going to suffer bigger losses than that if he hangs around.
Maybe but I don't think it is as easy to find money as it was in say April of 2015.
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It will be even tougher to find three or four more years down the road
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Jacques Strap said:

Stranger said:

Jacques Strap said:

That's a great post. But CAB is gone and CMR is here for 3 seasons at least. I hope he wins but I have my doubts so I would love to be wrong about where we are headed (CUSA).


There is no damn good reason he needs to stay 3 years. Money talks.
Well I'll be the first to admit I don't have the deep pockets to help with a buyout so I'm just gonna have to sit and watch. You think Baylor would pull the trigger before 3 seasons are over? Do they even have the cash to do that?
They can pay him his contract ($4 mill/year or whatever) for the length of his contract and tell him to sweep the basement of Pat Neff or something. They'll be losing more than $4 million/year by keeping him if he can't get us to a bowl next year.

Heck, they'll probably already be losing $4 mill/year next year as it is.
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Why don't you guys pre-empt your predicted implosion and go buy new t-shirts?
Dungeon Athletics
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Stranger said:

The worst part is, I find myself closing my eyes while he speaks and thinking that I am listening to one Kevin Steele. Same bs. same rap. same, the Good Lord, same building character, same let's take it down so we can build it back up.

And herein lies the crux of the problem. Once that decision was made, we were doomed. I don't know if that decision was made by the Board of Pharisees in an attempt to distance Baylor from all things Briles, or if Rhule made it because he wanted to do his own thing. The problem with that strategy, is that the Board of Keystone Kops had already dug us a sizable hole by handling the crisis with all the expertise of the Bruceville-Eddy PTA. Had they waited a couple of weeks to fire Briles or not thrown the team and the coaches under the bus halfway through the season, the hole might not have been nearly as deep.

But once that tomfoolery had been accomplished, there was no way you could choose to double down on it by tearing it down even further. You can't tear it all the way down to nothing in college football and build it back up. You just can't. You can do it in the NFL, because you'll (likely) have better draft picks and more money to spend on free agents. But in college, once you're all the way at the bottom, it's nearly impossible to get out.

Getting out the first time was a one-in-a-million shot. Hiring Briles at the right time, no one else wanting RG3 at QB, and finding a handful of difference-makers like Seastrunk was a confluence of improbable events with a joint probability of nearly zero. It simply isn't going to happen again. Rhule's only chance (if he was even given the option) was to somehow try to keep the train rolling as seamlessly as possible, despite the barriers erected by the Board of Knuckleheads. You can have a random off year where you only win 4 or 5 and recruits will pass it off as an aberration. But an 0-12 or 1-11 season combined with a 2-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dead-last offense is going to completely kill the next recruiting class.

These recruits are probably old enough to remember the pre-Briles years; their parents certainly are. Opposing coaches will be telling them that Baylor has returned to its days of hiring the best Sunday School teacher they can find that happens to coach football, and it will be a difficult argument to refute. No one in Texas is going to want to play in that offense. The days of WRU are over.

Whether it was Rhule or the Board of Numbskulls that made the ill-fated decision, once they decided to tear it all the way down to nothing, it was game over. You can't go full ****** in college football. We went full ******.

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I have seen the 4 million a year number repeated many times on these boards. When I google, I cant find anything close to a reported figure for his salary.
Are we sure its that kind of money? Not saying anyone is wrong; just wondering what the source would be.
Difference between 6 times 4 mil and say 6 times 3 mil seems not insignificant.
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"I am great with other peoples' money."
Dungeon Athletics
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Tommy_Lou_Ramsower said:


"I am great with other peoples' money."
Must be a recent development.
RegentCoverup
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A few things I might add:

Art didn't want to be at Baylor. People need to get it through their heads. His plan was to take all of the staff and leave for another job. He picked a fight and the net result was he ended up paid out and unemployable. Art did some of his more interesting coaching activities behind closed doors. That's the final conclusion.

So bottom line, we're in the situation we're in. That's reality. You can blame Art. You can not blame Art. It''s not relevant either way. I'm not any more happy that we're in this predicament than anyone else and I'm not making bold predictions.

But back to the Steele vs.Rhule comparison.

Steele was that bad. He was a bs artist extraordinaire. But not everything that happened was his fault. We took a loser coach and let amateurs make decisions that he bore the brunt of that cost the program. Sure, it was nice to have a scapegoat, but here's the problem with piling it all on Steele.

Kevin Steele is now one of the best defensive coordinators in the SEC. Auburn is 5-2. If you changed the name and sent in his resume as a replacement to Rhule, people here would jump for joy thinking a legit SEC coach came in to finally kick some ass.

The point is there are two broad reasons why we're in this situation. 1) The coaching 2) the program management.

I''ll leave #1 on the shelf but my bigger concern is you have people on the Board pulling strings with the program and Rhule is their fall guy. In the Steele era, it was called "Building it the Right Way." And it was just an excuse for every blowout.

Here's how you can find out: Ask which board members are rubber stamping recruits? Are there any board members AT ALL involved with vetting recruits? Are Board members screening players? Are they providing names to coaches and suggesting they be given scholarships or walk on opportunities?

I don't know the answers to these questions, but it happened quite a bit in the Steele era. And the guy gave up and said enough and let people push names onto the team.

Whether Rhule is a good coach remains to be seen. But the boards micromanaging of the team needs to be scrutinized. It may not be happening at all. But since it happened in the past, I'm going to bet the pig farm and say it's happening again and Rhule doesn''t know what kind of talent he needs to win.

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Drunken hookup @ old main said:


It's not just the millennials. You have old timer morons like Thee (and undoubtedly BOR members) who think we can win just because of our facilities and location and other intangibles. In their hubris they thought they could plug and play a football staff like the former staff could its playmakers.

Our new wandering through the wilderness will be like UT has been doing now for the better part of a decade, except with far fewer wins.
Sounds like Jerrah when he fired Jimmy and brought in...
Switzer.
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Love your trip down history lane Stranger. A big part of it is my Baylor history too.
Thanks for setting up the perspective.
Personally I don't see this thing changing for at least two or three years.
But if I was a BMD, I would try to do something about it.
I think someone has to do something about the BOR situation. But I am pessimistic about that even more.
Tommy_Lou_Ramsower
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"You can trust me."
Pale Rider
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At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.
RegentCoverup
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Pale Rider said:

At least this thread proves that this season and it's disaster so far is due to much greater systemic problems than just poor coaching and a 180 in football philosophy.
Pale,

despite all the evidence to the contrary. Including nearly taking a job at UT, writing a book saying he entertained any offer thrown at him and telling anyone with an ear that he was leaving to coach the Cowboys or Longhorns....

NOT ONE of the people elected to the Board at Baylor had a backup plan for the day Art Briles left.

Instead, they were busy padding their luxury suites and making sure the kids looked nice in their stadium selfies.

It's the management.
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I believe it. Thanks. We do have a deeper problem.
Robert Wilson
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I'm still hanging onto irrational hope.

But he has been stubborn to a fault (or occasionally blind - just as bad or worse). And he has sounded like Steele.
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Beaneater said:

Drunken hookup @ old main said:


It's not just the millennials. You have old timer morons like Thee (and undoubtedly BOR members) who think we can win just because of our facilities and location and other intangibles. In their hubris they thought they could plug and play a football staff like the former staff could its playmakers.

Our new wandering through the wilderness will be like UT has been doing now for the better part of a decade, except with far fewer wins.
Sounds like Jerrah when he fired Jimmy and brought in...
Switzer.

Yeah, but they did win a Super Bowl with Barry.
Baylor grad, 'Bama dad
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At first I thought, what is this s***. Then I realized it's on the free board. Was going to say I hope you didn't waste too much time on this, but as you were.
Trust the process.
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Stranger said:

I hear talk of "give Rhule three years" Or "four years and he'll git er done."

Dear friends, as cheerful as it sounds, that is not reality.

As most of could point out, I attended my first Baylor game in Forth Worth in a driving rain, in 1955, at the age of six and watched Jim Swink and his Texas Christian Horny Toads run it up our ass all afternoon long. I've been attending every year since and for the most part it hasn't gotten any better.

Oh, there have been some bright spots along the way. Del Shofner and company beating the Tennessee Volunteers at the Sugar Bowl on January 1st, 1957. I wasn't there but my folks were. Dad said the Baptists hit New Orleans with the Ten Commandments and a ten-dollar bill and didn't break either one.

Bridgers early years with Trull, Elkins, Ronny Goodwin, Ronny Bull, Bobby Green, et al. I was a student in the twilight of Bridgers' career and always thought he could have done better with a little more in the way of money and facilities. All of my classmates were recruited by Bridgers. By then Baylor regents had given up on John.

Then came Bill Beall. Baylor hired him on the cheap ($27,000 per year). He was recommended by almost nobody. The best thing that could be said about him by his two former college bosses (Jess Neely at Rice and Charlie McLendon at LSU) was that he was always on time to practices. (that is no lie.) He was hired by a faculty committee who said he looked very organized because he made neat looking notebooks. And he attended church regularly. Baylor got just what they paid for.

He was 0-10 his first year. He won two games his second year. He won one game his third year. The only positive thing he did was bring Roger Goree to Baylor and he turned out to be the toughest player ever to wear a Baylor uniform. Beall had been Roger's little league baseball coach. Many thanks for that, Bill.

The BOR hired a coach from New Mexico named Rudy Feldman to replace him Fortunately for Rudy and Baylor he decided not to fly to Waco to take the job.

Athletic Director Jack Patterson called up a guy from Snyder and McMurry who was coaching ball over at San Angelo named Grant Teaff. Teaff was mainly a motivational speaker and he spoke at every schoolhouse, church, Rotary Club and Cub Scout meeting within fifty miles of Waco the first year he was here.

The rest of the story is history and Baylor became a team you depend on to at least be in the game for the next 21 seasons. Life was pretty good. He'd make you pull your hair out, but by God, we always had a chance to win the dadgum ball game.

Then we began wandering in the wilderness. Again, the regents got cheap. Nobody could match Teaff's optimistic program. Add em up, here. Tell me how many years the Bears wandered in the desert.
Ground Chuck Reedy -4
Dirty Dave Roberts -2
Kevin Steals -4
Nice Guy Morriss -5
Then Briles part 1 -4
____
19 mostly sh*tty years. Sad years, suffering years of more blowouts than I care to remember. Talk about throwing good money after bad. But we loved Baylor
and we believed so we kept the faith and kept spending the money.

.
Then Art Briles caught fire with RG III. It was sweet till his ride came to an end. Us old guys knew it couldn't last but we all hoped it was last longer than it did. And when it all went down, it went down in flames.

So here we are. Back on the corner again. Back where we've always been. Back where we belong.

So Matt Rhule is the new messiah.

Excuse me, but a bunch of us old timers feel like we've met this guy before. Nineteen years was the pattern this time. Nineteen years when it wasn't any fun to be a Baylor Bear fan. Most of you can't even imagine how bad it got in those years. Our golden days have been few and far between.

So, Baylor fans we give you Matt Rhule. I'm sure he is a beautiful guy. A hale fellow well-met. Sunday school teacher, part-time preacher. Family Guy. Teller of inspirational half-time tales. Tougher than a junk-yard dog.

But can the man coach? So far his coaching exhibition shows me that he is bull-headed and unable to adapt to the type of players he inherited. He apparently has the support of his AD and regents to ignore his talent and break them down into some sort of Penn State and B1G model or be damned trying. If that's what he is, then our AD and regents did a piss-poor job of evaluting this young man.

He has found himself at the rock-bottom of a conference where you must score forty points a game or you don't win ANY games.

And right now that's where he is dragging Baylor.

The worst part is, I find myself closing my eyes while he speaks and thinking that I am listening to one Kevin Steele. Same bs. same rap. same, the Good Lord, same building character, same let's take it down so we can build it back up.

This ain't gonna get no better folks. If you are buying this boy's process you've just signed on for 18 more years of wandering the wilderness. We older guys have read this book and seen this movie.

It will not get better anytime soon.

Pay him off and send him back where he came from. Baylor will be better off in the long run.

There has to be somebody that can coach this football team better than this.




I knew I shouldn't have read this. lol really really need for basketball to start
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GoldBear said:

At first I thought, what is this s***. Then I realized it's on the free board. Was going to say I hope you didn't waste too much time on this, but as you were.


They can't handle this sort of reality over on the premium channel. Thanks for coming down here to get a dose of the unvarnished truth as it should be told.

Go Bears!
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Been going to Baylor games since 55 too. I was 7. We probably saw each other at a game. My heart has been broken countless times like you. I' m too old to get upset about this train wreck. But I agree, you and I will more than likely never see the Bears as contenders again. Sad but true and the a** wipes on the BOR could care less.
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The Bruceville-Eddy PTA is highly offended by this post!
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Exactly. While I haven't been around as long as you, I remember cycling through coaches after CGT. That history is forgotten by many, but to those of us that see similarities, it's best to cut bait (if we go 0-12) so we minimize damage.
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Good stories of past times do not the future make....that's where you all are... in the past. You do not know what is in store for the future of Baylor football. While the past is a good predictor of the future, I for one will continue to root for the underdogs as I have all my life.
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keysjaws said:

Good stories of past times do not the future make....that's where you all are... in the past. You do not know what is in store for the future of Baylor football. While the past is a good predictor of the future, I for one will continue to root for the underdogs as I have all my life.
Yes we do. It's called losses. Lots of them.
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keysjaws said:

Good stories of past times do not the future make....that's where you all are... in the past. You do not know what is in store for the future of Baylor football. While the past is a good predictor of the future, I for one will continue to root for the underdogs as I have all my life.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid this will be correct for the foreseeable future.
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keysjaws said:

Good stories of past times do not the future make....that's where you all are... in the past. You do not know what is in store for the future of Baylor football. While the past is a good predictor of the future, I for one will continue to root for the underdogs as I have all my life.
Us old timers have years of experience rooting for BU as underdogs. It is not nearly as much fun as rooting for your team as a double digit favorite but we'll root for the underdogs Saturday.
 
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