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Gameday Thread: Baylor vs. Texas Tech (AT&T Stadium)

November 11, 2017
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BAYLOR (1-8) vs. TEXAS TECH (4-5)

AT&T Stadium | 11 a.m. CT | Fox Sports

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Bears look to build on momentum

Baylor secured their first victory of the season and of the Matt Rhule era last Saturday over the Kansas Jayhawks and now are headed to Arlington to face Texas Tech with hopes of pulling out their second in a row.

If the Bears indeed leave AT&T Stadium with a victory it will be the first time the program has won consecutive games since week five and week seven of the 2016 season when the Bears defeated Iowa State and Kansas. The two wins were the final stretch of a seven-game win streak and 16 of their last 19 games dating back to 2015.

While the Bears cannot become bowl eligible for an eighth consecutive season, a strong close to the season would be a huge boost to the recruiting efforts of the Bears who currently hold verbal pledges from 19 2018 prospects.

Baylor has won five of their last six contests against Texas Tech but lost the most recent of the series in 2016, 54-35. Then freshman Zach Smith threw for 377 yards and three touchdowns while running back Terence Williams rushed for 147 yards and two touchdowns.


SIDENOTE STORYLINE

Texas Tech playing for Kingsbury's job?

As Matt Rhule settles into the final three games of his first season in Waco, Texas Tech head coach Kliff Kingsbury is feeling his seat get warm as the Red Raiders have dropped five of their last six including a heartbreaking overtime loss to Kansas State last weekend when Tech led by eight points in the final minutes. The stretch came after Tech opened the season with wins over Arizona State and Houston and began the season 4-1.

The loss to KSU was the second time in Big 12 play Tech has blown a fourth-quarter lead in Big 12 play. Back on Oct. 14, the Red Raiders held a double-digit lead over West Virginia only to see the lead evaporate in the final quarter, dropping the contest 46-35 in Morgantown after giving up 22 points in the final 15 minutes. In that six-game stretch Tech has claimed only single victory over Kansas and has also lost to Oklahoma State, Iowa State and Oklahoma.

Sitting at 4-5 in 2017, Kingsbury has posted a 28-31 overall record in his time in Lubbock and reached a bowl game twice in 2013 and 2015. With three games remaining this season against Baylor, TCU and Texas, missing a bowl game for a second-straight season and falling apart after another promising start could be the final straw for Kingsbury.


MATT RHULE QUOTE OF THE WEEK

On team earning first victory of 2017 season...

“It was a ton of fun. Those guys have worked so hard and we’ve had to put things in perspective so many times in the locker room. We still had to put things in perspective after the game, because great teams ask what’s next and move forward. But it was good for them to have a chance to celebrate and be happy. I just liked the way they finished the game. I didn’t want a team that, when we finally got up and had a chance to win, would celebrate too early or be careless or sloppy or make the other team look bad or not be respectful. I just like the way our guys handled it at the end of the game. We found a way to keep them out of the end zone. We got our fourth quarter shutout. We ran for 65 yards in the fourth quarter. We got the touchdown to Ish [Wainright]. We won the game, shook their hands, said a prayer, went and saw our fans, and went to the locker room. The nice thing was that the way we handled things when we lost was the same way we handled things when we won. But to get in the locker room and see the happy looks on their faces, and to go in on Monday morning and have the team meeting and call out award winners, which we only do when we win, was really nice. Offensive scout team player of the week was Obim Okeke, and defensive scout team player of the week was James Lockhart, and they might not get a ton of time to play right now, with Lockhart sitting out, but all those guys understand it was a team win. It was all the guys on the scout team. It was all the guys that signaled during the game. It was everyone. That was fun.”


PLAYERS TO WATCH

Jim Black
Charlie Brewer

Charlie Brewer will get his second start of the season against Texas Tech and the freshman will need to be prepared to help the Bears keep pace with the high-flying offense from Lubbock. If Brewer can keep his pace from last week, the Bears should be in good position. 

Jim Black
Verkedric Vaughns

Baylor's safeties have been a weak link throughout the season but junior Verkedric Vaughns has begun to emerge as the season progresses. The success of Baylor's defense will depend on how well the secondary holds up, but a big game from Vaughns would be a big help.

Jim Black
Denzel Mims

As important as the defense is, "keeping up" is just as important as the Red Raiders will get their yards and points. Sophomore Denzel Mims will need to be helped out on the outside, but Baylor's leading receiver needs to make Tech's defense question their defensive alignments.

Jim Black
Offensive Line

The best defense is a good offense and Baylor's offensive line can be the deciding point if they can create running lanes for Baylor's running backs. If the Bears can dominate at the LOS and control the clock, the less time Tech's offense will spend on the field in Arlington.

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Gameday Thread: Baylor vs. Texas Tech (AT&T Stadium)

86,894 Views | 489 Replies | Last: 7 yr ago by Assassin
BaylorProud77
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Now we catch. omg
Assassin
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Mims is a bad, bad man
Dman
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Assassin said:

Dman said:

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Dman said:


Are you kidding? What? It wouldnt have been a short field had we kicked! Onside kicks ARE LOW PROBABILITY! You don't take a chance like that in that situation. We were within 10 and just drove down to score. Sure enough. They score in 2 plays from that short field.

We would be in this game right now otherwise!

We didn't have to be in this situation. HORRIBLE CALL
You're assuming you know the result before the play was called. It was actually a pretty good call to make. Tech wasnt expecting it, we should have gotten the ball back with a short field if the kick was implemented correctly.

Its always easy to be the coach after the fact.
ANYONE ASSUMES you don't succeed on an on-side kick. You're thrilled if you succeed, because you assume you won't! You're trying too hard to defend a statistically low probability and NOT NEEDED call at that moment in the game.

Thank god your not calling plays.
Hey, my teams were pretty good. We were very, very successful. And our head coach was aggressive as hell. Thats where I learned that playing and calling plays aggressively were nearly always better than sitting on your backside and hoping the other team failed.

And as it turned out, Tech would simply have scored on a much longer play than the one they scored on.



There's a time and place. That was NEITHER! Again, you're trying too hard to defend. Sure enough. It snow balls from there while we try to make up a MUCH bigger gap.
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Dman said:

Assassin said:

So the way I see this game, we would be ahead right now except for the drops. Two 4th down drops, the drop in the end zone and at least two 3rd down drops that I remember


Care to explain 2 power plays up the middle on 3rd
And 4th down in the first half with our thin, outmanned offensive line. Versus any QB/RB sweep option or ANYTHING ELSE?
On 4th and goal from the 1 they pulled the left guard to the right and ran up the middle against three defenders with no blockers. It just didn't make any sense.
BaylorProud77
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Tech mouthing again
Assassin
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Dman said:

Assassin said:

Dman said:

Assassin said:

Dman said:


Are you kidding? What? It wouldnt have been a short field had we kicked! Onside kicks ARE LOW PROBABILITY! You don't take a chance like that in that situation. We were within 10 and just drove down to score. Sure enough. They score in 2 plays from that short field.

We would be in this game right now otherwise!

We didn't have to be in this situation. HORRIBLE CALL
You're assuming you know the result before the play was called. It was actually a pretty good call to make. Tech wasnt expecting it, we should have gotten the ball back with a short field if the kick was implemented correctly.

Its always easy to be the coach after the fact.
ANYONE ASSUMES you don't succeed on an on-side kick. You're thrilled if you succeed, because you assume you won't! You're trying too hard to defend a statistically low probability and NOT NEEDED call at that moment in the game.

Thank god your not calling plays.
Hey, my teams were pretty good. We were very, very successful. And our head coach was aggressive as hell. Thats where I learned that playing and calling plays aggressively were nearly always better than sitting on your backside and hoping the other team failed.

And as it turned out, Tech would simply have scored on a much longer play than the one they scored on.

There's a time and place. That was NEITHER! Again, you're trying too hard to defend. Sure enough. It snow balls from there while we try to make up a MUCH bigger gap.
Just curious how much actual coaching experience you have
BaylorProud77
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and here we go.......
JXL
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There's a Baylor TD. Yay.
boognish_bear
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This game could have been had...sucks
Assassin
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JXL said:

There's a Baylor TD. Yay.
sweet. never give up.
Grizz Air
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Completely winnable game.
BaylorProud77
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JXL said:

There's a Baylor TD. Yay.
yep, too late but pretty!
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PartyBear said:

cowboycwr said:

PartyBear said:

WHy is it we decide to go uptemp usually with 8 minutes left in the game down by 3 scores?


Because Rhule thinks he can win by slowing down the game and playing big 10 football and then tries to get the win at the end by playing fast.

Remember he said he was bringing defense to the big 12......


I think it makes him look like an idiot that he hasn't found out 4 quarters of that every game would have lead to a decent season.


Agreed. So much of his coaching makes him look like an idiot. Play calling. QB play. Who is playing QB. Playing Brewer for 2 plays. Switching QBs all game. Etc
Dman
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Assassin said:

Dman said:

Assassin said:

Dman said:

Assassin said:

Dman said:


Are you kidding? What? It wouldnt have been a short field had we kicked! Onside kicks ARE LOW PROBABILITY! You don't take a chance like that in that situation. We were within 10 and just drove down to score. Sure enough. They score in 2 plays from that short field.

We would be in this game right now otherwise!

We didn't have to be in this situation. HORRIBLE CALL
You're assuming you know the result before the play was called. It was actually a pretty good call to make. Tech wasnt expecting it, we should have gotten the ball back with a short field if the kick was implemented correctly.

Its always easy to be the coach after the fact.
ANYONE ASSUMES you don't succeed on an on-side kick. You're thrilled if you succeed, because you assume you won't! You're trying too hard to defend a statistically low probability and NOT NEEDED call at that moment in the game.

Thank god your not calling plays.
Hey, my teams were pretty good. We were very, very successful. And our head coach was aggressive as hell. Thats where I learned that playing and calling plays aggressively were nearly always better than sitting on your backside and hoping the other team failed.

And as it turned out, Tech would simply have scored on a much longer play than the one they scored on.

There's a time and place. That was NEITHER! Again, you're trying too hard to defend. Sure enough. It snow balls from there while we try to make up a MUCH bigger gap.
Just curious how much actual coaching experience you have


Ah. The sign of real desperation. "How long have you coached?". I've watched enough football and "coached" enough peewee football games (sarcasm) to know the statistical probability is not in your favor on ANY on-side kick. And giving a VERY short field was the assumed outcome when you're only down 10. It's statistics. Nothing more.

Please stop. Your embarrassing yourself needlessly. It was. HORRIBLE CALL. move on.
JXL
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well that was about as much fun as a colonoscopy
57Bear
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We slaughtered Tech on TOP: 34:27 to 24:07. The process in action.
Brian Ethridge
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BaylorOkie said:

Dman said:

Assassin said:

So the way I see this game, we would be ahead right now except for the drops. Two 4th down drops, the drop in the end zone and at least two 3rd down drops that I remember


Care to explain 2 power plays up the middle on 3rd
And 4th down in the first half with our thin, outmanned offensive line. Versus any QB/RB sweep option or ANYTHING ELSE?
On 4th and goal from the 1 they pulled the left guard to the right and ran up the middle against three defenders with no blockers. It just didn't make any sense.
Newman tripped and fell before he led the ball carrier into the end zone. He makes any contact and Hasty scores.
Assassin
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Dman said:





Ah. The sign of real desperation. "How long have you coached?". I've watched enough football and "coached" enough peewee football games (sarcasm) to know the statistical probability is not in your favor on ANY on-side kick. And giving a VERY short field was the assumed outcome when you're only down 10. It's statistics. Nothing more.

Please stop. Your embarrassing yourself needlessly. It was. HORRIBLE CALL. move on.
Nah. Not embarrassed at all. I gave you an alternative answer and you simply didnt like it.

If you dont know this - CAPITALIZING is considered SCREAMING on the internet.

Just an FYI
Assassin
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Brewer ended up 43/63 for 417 yds and 3 TDs. I dont really count the INT against him as it was on a Hail Mary right before the half
boognish_bear
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JXL said:

well that was about as much fun as a colonoscopy


At least colonoscopies come with anesthesia up front...
Dman
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Summary:
Positive:
Brewer and Hasty are legit
Defense held them to 24 (could have been less without asinine on-side kick call giving hem short field)

Negative:
WRs drop a lot of balls
Still need an OC
Indefensible On-side kick call
Assassin
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boognish_bear said:

JXL said:

well that was about as much fun as a colonoscopy


At least colonoscopies come with anesthesia up front...
No sh.. kidding
Dman
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Assassin said:

Dman said:





Ah. The sign of real desperation. "How long have you coached?". I've watched enough football and "coached" enough peewee football games (sarcasm) to know the statistical probability is not in your favor on ANY on-side kick. And giving a VERY short field was the assumed outcome when you're only down 10. It's statistics. Nothing more.

Please stop. Your embarrassing yourself needlessly. It was. HORRIBLE CALL. move on.
Nah. Not embarrassed at all. I gave you an alternative answer and you simply didnt like it.

If you dont know this - CAPITALIZING is considered SCREAMING on the internet.

Just an FYI


Your alternate answer was as asinie as the call. Of course I didn't like it. Nor would 9-10 rookie or seasoned coaches.
BaylorProud77
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Assassin said:

Dman said:





Ah. The sign of real desperation. "How long have you coached?". I've watched enough football and "coached" enough peewee football games (sarcasm) to know the statistical probability is not in your favor on ANY on-side kick. And giving a VERY short field was the assumed outcome when you're only down 10. It's statistics. Nothing more.

Please stop. Your embarrassing yourself needlessly. It was. HORRIBLE CALL. move on.
Nah. Not embarrassed at all. I gave you an alternative answer and you simply didnt like it.

If you dont know this - CAPITALIZING is considered SCREAMING on the internet.

Just an FYI
ha
Assassin
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Dman said:

Assassin said:

Dman said:





Ah. The sign of real desperation. "How long have you coached?". I've watched enough football and "coached" enough peewee football games (sarcasm) to know the statistical probability is not in your favor on ANY on-side kick. And giving a VERY short field was the assumed outcome when you're only down 10. It's statistics. Nothing more.

Please stop. Your embarrassing yourself needlessly. It was. HORRIBLE CALL. move on.
Nah. Not embarrassed at all. I gave you an alternative answer and you simply didnt like it.

If you dont know this - CAPITALIZING is considered SCREAMING on the internet.

Just an FYI
Your alternate answer was as asinie as the call. Of course I didn't like it. Nor would 9-10 rookie or seasoned coaches.
WAH WAH WAH

Just wanted to get that out of the way.

Now, please list the 9 rookie or seasoned coaches that you've polled
boognish_bear
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Not sure Jerrah made enough today to cover utilities...

BaylorOkie
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Assassin said:

Brewer ended up 43/63 for 417 yds and 3 TDs. I dont really count the INT against him as it was on a Hail Mary right before the half
IMO, that interception was definitely on him. He had no business throwing that ball, we could have set up for a field goal before the half.

Overall, I like what I'm seeing from the freshman. Tough day.
Dman
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Assassin said:

Dman said:

Assassin said:

Dman said:





Ah. The sign of real desperation. "How long have you coached?". I've watched enough football and "coached" enough peewee football games (sarcasm) to know the statistical probability is not in your favor on ANY on-side kick. And giving a VERY short field was the assumed outcome when you're only down 10. It's statistics. Nothing more.

Please stop. Your embarrassing yourself needlessly. It was. HORRIBLE CALL. move on.
Nah. Not embarrassed at all. I gave you an alternative answer and you simply didnt like it.

If you dont know this - CAPITALIZING is considered SCREAMING on the internet.

Just an FYI
Your alternate answer was as asinie as the call. Of course I didn't like it. Nor would 9-10 rookie or seasoned coaches.
WAH WAH WAH

Just wanted to get that out of the way.

Now, please list the 9 rookie or seasoned coaches that you've polled


Good lord you're obtuse. I don't blame you. It's an uphill battle if you're sticking to your guns on that call. You're wasting my time now.
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Brian Ethridge said:

BaylorOkie said:

Dman said:

Assassin said:

So the way I see this game, we would be ahead right now except for the drops. Two 4th down drops, the drop in the end zone and at least two 3rd down drops that I remember


Care to explain 2 power plays up the middle on 3rd
And 4th down in the first half with our thin, outmanned offensive line. Versus any QB/RB sweep option or ANYTHING ELSE?
On 4th and goal from the 1 they pulled the left guard to the right and ran up the middle against three defenders with no blockers. It just didn't make any sense.
Newman tripped and fell before he led the ball carrier into the end zone. He makes any contact and Hasty scores.
Nah man. Hasty and him weren't headed to the same spot.
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Chanceux said:

Brian Ethridge said:

BaylorOkie said:

Dman said:

Assassin said:

So the way I see this game, we would be ahead right now except for the drops. Two 4th down drops, the drop in the end zone and at least two 3rd down drops that I remember


Care to explain 2 power plays up the middle on 3rd
And 4th down in the first half with our thin, outmanned offensive line. Versus any QB/RB sweep option or ANYTHING ELSE?
On 4th and goal from the 1 they pulled the left guard to the right and ran up the middle against three defenders with no blockers. It just didn't make any sense.
Newman tripped and fell before he led the ball carrier into the end zone. He makes any contact and Hasty scores.
Nah man. Hasty and him weren't headed to the same spot.
Newman fell on the curl into the hole and Hasty had to miss him.
RioRata
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Hey guys,

I'm back...it was my weekend to shave the ol mother-in-laws back. What's the score???
RioRata
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boognish_bear said:

Not sure Jerrah made enough today to cover utilities...



Jerrah needs to buy a f***in tarp. So will we...




SOON!!!
Private Pyle
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We were just 12 plays away from winning!!!!
Bro
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boognish_bear said:

JXL said:

well that was about as much fun as a colonoscopy


At least colonoscopies come with anesthesia up front...

Uh, when I had that colonoscopy the anesthesia wasn't up front.
Assassin
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Bro said:

boognish_bear said:

JXL said:

well that was about as much fun as a colonoscopy
At least colonoscopies come with anesthesia up front...
Uh, when I had that colonoscopy the anesthesia wasn't up front.
 
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