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Gunny Hartman said:

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Krieg said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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Krieg said:

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SicThe12 said:

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Loyalty has NOTHING to do with business. College football is business, and our OC is tanking our stock.

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So is the DC. We played at least 1/3 of the game with what amounted to 10 guys yesterday since we kept removing the safety and putting him literally 20 yards off the ball.

Both coordinators are really bad...so why keep the guy that hired them and let him fail twice?

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Enough of the hyperbole. No head coach Is getting fired after one year, nor should they be. A university would essentially kill its chances of hiring any future candidate worth a damn, because no coach worth his salt would take a job where he'd only have one year to turn the program around.

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Where's the hyperbole? Both coordinators have shown the same stupidity for 11 games with some of the same strategic mistakes. That's all on Rhule.

I get what you're saying about hiring someone else, but it can't really get worse than what he did this year. We could EASILY hire a coordinator or FCS HC that's been successful and none of them would've finished 1-11 this year. None. Maybe he gets better, but he shouldn't have the opportunity. If they won't do that (and they won't) they need to fire everyone in on his hiring process so that Rhule can have pressure applied to go bowling next year, and then can be kicked to the curb without a MASSIVE improvement in year 2.

Also, next year needs to be judged on what this year should've been. You can't hire someone and let them remove your prior expectations regarding their job and then set really low standards from there. No way should we not win 8 next year, and if he can't win at least 6 he needs to be fired.

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I think Rhule did a craptastic job this year, but you expect 8 wins next year? Lol. Okay, so who on the OL is going to provide the protection and the running lanes necessary to make that happen? Perhaps we can sign a few NFL free agents?

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So you think that 1) no JUCO or major HS prospects that could come in day one and make an impact will sign with us, and 2) none of our current batch of O Linemen, who now have an entire season of experience / starts, will get any stronger or better during the offseason?

Seems to say a lot about the esteem in which you hold our coaching staff.

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Our offensive roster (assuming most come back healthy and Rhule doesn't grind them into dust) will be pretty talented. Hurd is among the most talented players in the whole conference right now. Mims and Platt. Holmes if we get him back healthy. The backs were so young and should be much improved. There is enough to win 6 games easily. Anybody suggesting something else is aiming way way too low

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Shouldn't this be one area we can all agree on by now? I'm actually in favor of giving Rhule more time, but he has to adjust. Paterson did. And I hate Patterson.

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Patterson is an incredibly strategic coach. He can adjust and change depending on opponents and personnel.

Rhule by all accounts is stubborn to a philosophy that will never be successful without superior OL and DL talent that he/we will never get. His is simply not strategic in any way I have sen so far.

Its a pretty hopeless situation. I have seen this movie before. Only way Rhule changes is if someone goes to Rhule and says run the HUNH offense or go find another job (good luck with that after going 1-11) and we don't have that kind of leadership strength.

He gets another year. If our fans completely stop going to games we might can limit the loss to two years.

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Dman said:

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Shouldn't this be one area we can all agree on by now? I'm actually in favor of giving Rhule more time, but he has to adjust. Paterson did. And I hate Patterson.

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Patterson is an incredibly strategic coach. He can adjust and change depending on opponents and personnel.

Rhule by all accounts is stubborn to a philosophy that will never be successful without superior OL and DL talent that he/we will never get. His is simply not strategic in any way I have sen so far.

Its a pretty hopeless situation. I have seen this movie before. Only way Rhule changes is if someone goes to Rhule and says run the HUNH offense or go find another job (good luck with that after going 1-11) and we don't have that kind of leadership strength.

He gets another year. If our fans completely stop going to games we might can limit the loss to two years.

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Agree. It'll have to be ADMR that forces Nixn out. CMR won't oust his buddy of his own initiative.

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Jacques Strap said:

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I think he should be who he is and stick with his style. If he puts in a spread he'll always want to second guess the OC and mess up the flow. So I think he'd be worse with Kliff Kingsbury for example as his OC because he would always overrule him. You cannot coach what you do not believe in and he does not believe in the spread.

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We've been running the Oregon spread all season

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More like the Oregon Trail.

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Lol. To be more accurate, it's the Chip Kelly spread with some pro concepts sprinkled in. I keep reading on here that we're not running the spread and that's just simply not accurate. Our offensive system is not the issue.

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There is no way one can know that for sure. Kelly's spread is a lot like Briles in that the only teams that seem to have been able to run it with great success are teams coached by Kelly and Briles (discounting Kelly's failed NFL attempts). The idea that a novice OC who spent one season as Kelly's tight ends coach is going to not only run it successfully, but also improve on it with pro style concepts that don't seem to work in the Big 12 is an interesting idea that unfortunately isn't supported by much evidence (other than of course the abysmal results on the field, which we know you pin all on the players). You guys sure put a lot of faith in a novice OC wh has won 1 game all season and looked terrible for most of it.

The good news is that excuse disappears next season.

ColomboLQ said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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I think he should be who he is and stick with his style. If he puts in a spread he'll always want to second guess the OC and mess up the flow. So I think he'd be worse with Kliff Kingsbury for example as his OC because he would always overrule him. You cannot coach what you do not believe in and he does not believe in the spread.

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We've been running the Oregon spread all season

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More like the Oregon Trail.

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So we died of Dysentery?>

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Gunny Hartman said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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I think he should be who he is and stick with his style. If he puts in a spread he'll always want to second guess the OC and mess up the flow. So I think he'd be worse with Kliff Kingsbury for example as his OC because he would always overrule him. You cannot coach what you do not believe in and he does not believe in the spread.

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We've been running the Oregon spread all season

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More like the Oregon Trail.

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Lol. To be more accurate, it's the Chip Kelly spread with some pro concepts sprinkled in. I keep reading on here that we're not running the spread and that's just simply not accurate. Our offensive system is not the issue.

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There is no way one can know that for sure. Kelly's spread is a lot like Briles in that the only teams that seem to have been able to run it with great success are teams coached by Kelly and Briles (discounting Kelly's failed NFL attempts). The idea that a novice OC who spent one season as Kelly's tight ends coach is going to not only run it successfully, but also improve on it with pro style concepts that don't seem to work in the Big 12 is an interesting idea that unfortunately isn't supported by much evidence (other than of course the abysmal results on the field, which we know you pin all on the players). You guys sure put a lot of faith in a novice OC wh has won 1 game all season and looked terrible for most of it.

The good news is that excuse disappears next season.

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Who the hell are "you guys"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? I've been critical of Nixn on this board all season. Hell I've been critical of him in this very thread. Go look on page 2.

I expressed extreme dismay when we hired a first-time OC. Baylor's OC position should not be handed to someone that needs on-the-job training.

I call it like I see it, and I might know a thing or two about football considering I played it for 14 years. Play design and playcalling have vastly improved throughout the season, to the point of the last couple games having some extremely creative designs that give me great hope, but it still continues to be offset by absolutely boneheaded decisions like putting 11 in the box with our ineffective OL on a critical down on the opponents 2 yard line. I don't know if Nixn or Rhule made that call, and it was probably made to set up the next play, but that's a stupid risk when you have a bunch of freshmen handling the ball, and it led to a fumble that essentially cost us any chance of getting back into the game.

So I'll continue to be critical of our leadership on offense until I see these indefensible decisions cease to happen so often.

Gunny Hartman said:

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Mothra said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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ColomboLQ said:

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Gunny Hartman said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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I think he should be who he is and stick with his style. If he puts in a spread he'll always want to second guess the OC and mess up the flow. So I think he'd be worse with Kliff Kingsbury for example as his OC because he would always overrule him. You cannot coach what you do not believe in and he does not believe in the spread.

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We've been running the Oregon spread all season

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More like the Oregon Trail.

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Lol. To be more accurate, it's the Chip Kelly spread with some pro concepts sprinkled in. I keep reading on here that we're not running the spread and that's just simply not accurate. Our offensive system is not the issue.

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There is no way one can know that for sure. Kelly's spread is a lot like Briles in that the only teams that seem to have been able to run it with great success are teams coached by Kelly and Briles (discounting Kelly's failed NFL attempts). The idea that a novice OC who spent one season as Kelly's tight ends coach is going to not only run it successfully, but also improve on it with pro style concepts that don't seem to work in the Big 12 is an interesting idea that unfortunately isn't supported by much evidence (other than of course the abysmal results on the field, which we know you pin all on the players). You guys sure put a lot of faith in a novice OC wh has won 1 game all season and looked terrible for most of it.

The good news is that excuse disappears next season.

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Who the hell are "you guys"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? I've been critical of Nixn on this board all season. Hell I've been critical of him in this very thread. Go look on page 2.

I expressed extreme dismay when we hired a first-time OC. Baylor's OC position should not be handed to someone that needs on-the-job training.

I call it like I see it, and I might know a thing or two about football considering I played it for 14 years. Play design and playcalling have vastly improved throughout the season, to the point of the last couple games having some extremely creative designs that give me great hope, but it still continues to be offset by absolutely boneheaded decisions like putting 11 in the box with our ineffective OL on a critical down on the opponents 2 yard line. I don't know if Nixn or Rhule made that call, and it was probably made to set up the next play, but that's a stupid risk when you have a bunch of freshmen handling the ball, and it led to a fumble that essentially cost us any chance of getting back into the game.

So I'll continue to be critical of our leadership on offense until I see these indefensible decisions cease to happen so often.

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Incorrect assumption on my part. No offense meant.

But if we are combining bad schemes with creative play designs, how are schemes still not a problem? I've always thought if Rhule runs the Oregon offense that would give us at least some semblance of the success we experienced offensively under Briles, but this hybrid crap seems to be what he wants to run. He doesn't seem to realize our greatest success on offense has come when he runs up tempo Oregon.

Perhaps if he would stay out of the headset and let Nixon run the offense...

I give Iowa St credit for the win- They got a sound team. But 13 measly pts by our offense is pitiful

McCavebear said:

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I give Iowa St credit for the win- They got a sound team. But 13 measly pts by our offense is pitiful

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Two red zone turnovers and it's a different ball game.