One more season anywhere close to this level of epic fail and we can probably start measuring for the new tarp we're going to need.
Athletic Dept. may be ordering a brand new Ian tarp instead.57Bear said:
I'm thinking that BU will not increase the stadium seating for 2018.
MackTarpBig guy said:Athletic Dept. may be ordering a brand new Ian tarp instead.57Bear said:
I'm thinking that BU will not increase the stadium seating for 2018.
See the bold, italic above and that is exactly what it was like around us yesterday. During the first quarter it was actually pretty energetic but apparently everyone has lost faith because as soon as BU lost momentum then everyone seemed to just sit down and watch lethargically. We were all just going through the motions on the fight song....really couldn't even hear anyone spelling but we were all pumping our fists. When they would call "That's another Baylor first down" everyone moved their hands but nobody was yelling FIRST DOWN as they usually would. Very much a beaten fan base just waiting for the death blow. I never thought I would see these types of crowds in McLane but it was a reality yesterday....reminded me of the days in the Case when people got free tickets and came just to say that they went but not really caring about winning. Sad, very sad.lakersfan34 said:I agree, it was at best 1/2 full. The end-zone upper deck was empty, the bern had about 10 people at most. That being said, I expected worse for today. The crowd filed out throughout halftime and second half. Quite frankly, the product is boring and uninspiring.PartyBear said:
There is no way the stadium was 2/3 full to all the people estimating about 30k. It really was at about 1/2 capacity at the most.
As for the process, I have seen the same disorganized, sloppy play throughout all of these home games all season. At no point during the game did I feel that Iowa State was worried about losing. In fact, they basically ran the most vanilla and conservative game plan on both sides, daring Baylor to make a mistake, which they were more than happy to do.
Honestly, I am lost with this hope and optimism for next year that others proclaim after attending these games. Where does this sentiment come from? Is it all from how a coach speaks and acts? The game performance does not correlate to the level of belief from these fans. I hope it comes true as a long-time fan, but I honestly think those believing this are being deceived.
Upper deck in the end zone is part of the opponent allotment. It is not a Baylor season ticket area. That area is a case of not selling game tickets for this game versus Baylor people having tickets there and not showing up.Volunteer said:
Actual attendance was no more than 25,000. Probably a lot less than that. Embarrassing. Upper deck in the end zone was essentially void of people.
blackie said:Upper deck in the end zone is part of the opponent allotment. It is not a Baylor season ticket area. That area is a case of not selling game tickets for this game versus Baylor people having tickets there and not showing up.Volunteer said:
Actual attendance was no more than 25,000. Probably a lot less than that. Embarrassing. Upper deck in the end zone was essentially void of people.
Stretch said:
My wife and I was there. Could not have been more than 25,000. We were there for a full house for the Liberty game. Saw enough football in my life to know when I'm watching bad football and the rest of the season we have our season tickets to friends until today's game when we decide one more time. After the game was over it was the first time I felt no emotion after a game since Morris era. It was like deja vu all over again. We made the walk toward Ferrell parking and stopped at the practice field. My wife and I turned around and looked in amazement of our surroundings. Although we've made that walk many times we had taken it for granted an incredible stadium, indoor practice facility, practice field that looks like it's never had a cleat on it, and the athletic student weight training coaches offices tutorial building and a nutritional center and wondered what the hell. It was a very humbling and empty feeling. We looked at each other and agreed it was our last walk for football. 40 years and I told her I've had enough of the green and gold enema. We are Not going to go thru another emotional "Process Trusting Again". To all on this board you have your agendas as I have my own. Yesterday's walk more than woke us up that in those 40 years as ticket holders the process never changed. Baylor football is and has always been about mediocrity and hope more than a determination to play successful big time football . There's a certain inner circle within Baylor that just don't get what it takes or don't want big time college football at a consistent level. If I was McLane and other major contributors I would personally feel high jacked at where we've come in the last two years. Looking back yesterday across that river and thinking what really should have been happening on that field and what I saw I know we felt high jacked. At some point when is enough - enough.
I get what you and others are saying. However, I think if BU returns to winning fans will return. Going to a football game is a big time and money investment versus watching on TV. For most folks football is entertainment and for most people winning at home is part of the entertainment expectation. There is always a core of fans that show up because for them the entertainment is watching football win or lose and there is a social aspect. But for many it is a stretch both time and money wise to go to these games and those are the fans who are gone. Winning will bring them back and maybe you too Stretch. With that said I agree with your thoughts regarding the new facilities and unwillingness to go through another series of coaches until we can catch coaching lightning in a bottle again.Stretch said:
My wife and I was there. Could not have been more than 25,000. We were there for a full house for the Liberty game. Saw enough football in my life to know when I'm watching bad football and the rest of the season we have our season tickets to friends until today's game when we decide one more time. After the game was over it was the first time I felt no emotion after a game since Morris era. It was like deja vu all over again. We made the walk toward Ferrell parking and stopped at the practice field. My wife and I turned around and looked in amazement of our surroundings. Although we've made that walk many times we had taken it for granted an incredible stadium, indoor practice facility, practice field that looks like it's never had a cleat on it, and the athletic student weight training coaches offices tutorial building and a nutritional center and wondered what the hell. It was a very humbling and empty feeling. We looked at each other and agreed it was our last walk for football. 40 years and I told her I've had enough of the green and gold enema. We are Not going to go thru another emotional "Process Trusting Again". To all on this board you have your agendas as I have my own. Yesterday's walk more than woke us up that in those 40 years as ticket holders the process never changed. Baylor football is and has always been about mediocrity and hope more than a determination to play successful big time football . There's a certain inner circle within Baylor that just don't get what it takes or don't want big time college football at a consistent level. If I was McLane and other major contributors I would personally feel high jacked at where we've come in the last two years. Looking back yesterday across that river and thinking what really should have been happening on that field and what I saw I know we felt high jacked. At some point when is enough - enough.
No doubt and people are just tired of waiting.Osodecentx said:
I've seen this process before
Long wait
Get used to itJacques Strap said:No doubt and people are just tired of waiting.Osodecentx said:
I've seen this process before
Long wait
Yeah, and at least we're getting all kinds of respect and kudos from that same media that trashed us into oblivion last year.........oh wait..............Osodecentx said:Quote:
Remember, though, we have the finest Title IX program around
Osodecentx said:Get used to itJacques Strap said:No doubt and people are just tired of waiting.Osodecentx said:
I've seen this process before
Long wait
Remember, though, we have the finest Title IX program around
Many of us are thinking and feeling the same thing as you are and still shaking our heads while failing to understand why what happened rose the level of requiring that all of the effort, sacrifice (financially and otherwise), blood, sweat, and tears that it took to build a nationally relevant program over a multi-year period be completely nuked into ashes. Still makes no sense whatsoever.Stretch said:
My wife and I was there. Could not have been more than 25,000. We were there for a full house for the Liberty game. Saw enough football in my life to know when I'm watching bad football and the rest of the season we have our season tickets to friends until today's game when we decide one more time. After the game was over it was the first time I felt no emotion after a game since Morris era. It was like deja vu all over again. We made the walk toward Ferrell parking and stopped at the practice field. My wife and I turned around and looked in amazement of our surroundings. Although we've made that walk many times we had taken it for granted an incredible stadium, indoor practice facility, practice field that looks like it's never had a cleat on it, and the athletic student weight training coaches offices tutorial building and a nutritional center and wondered what the hell. It was a very humbling and empty feeling. We looked at each other and agreed it was our last walk for football. 40 years and I told her I've had enough of the green and gold enema. We are Not going to go thru another emotional "Process Trusting Again". To all on this board you have your agendas as I have my own. Yesterday's walk more than woke us up that in those 40 years as ticket holders the process never changed. Baylor football is and has always been about mediocrity and hope more than a determination to play successful big time football . There's a certain inner circle within Baylor that just don't get what it takes or don't want big time college football at a consistent level. If I was McLane and other major contributors I would personally feel high jacked at where we've come in the last two years. Looking back yesterday across that river and thinking what really should have been happening on that field and what I saw I know we felt high jacked. At some point when is enough - enough.
I think with hiring you just have to get lucky if you are not an elite Blue Blood. Even elite Blue Bloods like Florida fire and miss but their odds are better. Absent hiring lock like Saban or Urban Meyer Blue Bloods, P5s, G5s and FCS teams strike out all the time in hiring.PartyBear said:
Ironically the very things y'all speak of indicate an incredible pressure to get back to the top. The things y'all speak of show big time commitment to big time football, including one of the highest budgets in the nation now for coaches salaries. The problem here is that we have idiots making the personel decisions. That is the problem right now, not hiring the right personel to do this. Everything else is in place. The problem is that you cant cure idiocy. So that is a bigger hurdle than I made it sound, I admit, but not one that cant be over come.
I will reiterate again the empty stadium and empty tail gate lots surely has the current AD in a freak out mode, his survival in one of the highest paid AD positions is on the line and depends on Rhule or what he does with Rhule. I'm pretty sure the AD saw and understood he looked out upon the dawning of the apocalypse for his program under his watch. He understands he is out, and his AD career is over in all likelihood, if he doesnt turn it around really, really soon as well. I will say again the disasterous turn out on Saturday may have been a game changer.
Jacques Strap said:I think with hiring you just have to get lucky if you are not an elite Blue Blood. Even elite Blue Bloods like Florida fire and miss but their odds are better. Absent hiring lock like Saban or Urban Meyer Blue Bloods, P5s, G5s and FCS teams strike out all the time in hiring.PartyBear said:
Ironically the very things y'all speak of indicate an incredible pressure to get back to the top. The things y'all speak of show big time commitment to big time football, including one of the highest budgets in the nation now for coaches salaries. The problem here is that we have idiots making the personel decisions. That is the problem right now, not hiring the right personel to do this. Everything else is in place. The problem is that you cant cure idiocy. So that is a bigger hurdle than I made it sound, I admit, but not one that cant be over come.
I will reiterate again the empty stadium and empty tail gate lots surely has the current AD in a freak out mode, his survival in one of the highest paid AD positions is on the line and depends on Rhule or what he does with Rhule. I'm pretty sure the AD saw and understood he looked out upon the dawning of the apocalypse for his program under his watch. He understands he is out, and his AD career is over in all likelihood, if he doesnt turn it around really, really soon as well. I will say again the disasterous turn out on Saturday may have been a game changer.
Once you get that great coach enjoy it because it is a rare thing and more than a little luck you picked the one Unicorn out of a herd of plow horses.
Our women's Basketball coach is lightning (and thunder and piss and vinegar) in a bottle so better enjoy her too while she is still coaching.
The optimism being spewed has three sourceslakersfan34 said:I agree, it was at best 1/2 full. The end-zone upper deck was empty, the bern had about 10 people at most. That being said, I expected worse for today. The crowd filed out throughout halftime and second half. Quite frankly, the product is boring and uninspiring.PartyBear said:
There is no way the stadium was 2/3 full to all the people estimating about 30k. It really was at about 1/2 capacity at the most.
As for the process, I have seen the same disorganized, sloppy play throughout all of these home games all season. At no point during the game did I feel that Iowa State was worried about losing. In fact, they basically ran the most vanilla and conservative game plan on both sides, daring Baylor to make a mistake, which they were more than happy to do.
Honestly, I am lost with this hope and optimism for next year that others proclaim after attending these games. Where does this sentiment come from? Is it all from how a coach speaks and acts? The game performance does not correlate to the level of belief from these fans. I hope it comes true as a long-time fan, but I honestly think those believing this are being deceived.
Nailed it. The irony is some people will question your love of Baylor. While I can see you love Baylor more than most and one can only take so much disappointment before you just can't take it any more.Stretch said:
My wife and I was there. Could not have been more than 25,000. We were there for a full house for the Liberty game. Saw enough football in my life to know when I'm watching bad football and the rest of the season we have our season tickets to friends until today's game when we decide one more time. After the game was over it was the first time I felt no emotion after a game since Morris era. It was like deja vu all over again. We made the walk toward Ferrell parking and stopped at the practice field. My wife and I turned around and looked in amazement of our surroundings. Although we've made that walk many times we had taken it for granted an incredible stadium, indoor practice facility, practice field that looks like it's never had a cleat on it, and the athletic student weight training coaches offices tutorial building and a nutritional center and wondered what the hell. It was a very humbling and empty feeling. We looked at each other and agreed it was our last walk for football. 40 years and I told her I've had enough of the green and gold enema. We are Not going to go thru another emotional "Process Trusting Again". To all on this board you have your agendas as I have my own. Yesterday's walk more than woke us up that in those 40 years as ticket holders the process never changed. Baylor football is and has always been about mediocrity and hope more than a determination to play successful big time football . There's a certain inner circle within Baylor that just don't get what it takes or don't want big time college football at a consistent level. If I was McLane and other major contributors I would personally feel high jacked at where we've come in the last two years. Looking back yesterday across that river and thinking what really should have been happening on that field and what I saw I know we felt high jacked. At some point when is enough - enough.
The other 27 or 28 say hello. If you meant P5 instead, there are still at least three -- Duke, Wake Forest and TCU.la1037 said:Nailed it. The irony is some people will question your love of Baylor. While I can see you love Baylor more than most and one can only take so much disappointment before you just can't take it any more.Stretch said:
UMy wife and I was there. Could not have been more than 25,000. We were there for a full house for the Liberty game. Saw enough football in my life to know when I'm watching bad football and the rest of the season we have our season tickets to friends until today's game when we decide one more time. After the game was over it was the first time I felt no emotion after a game since Morris era. It was like deja vu all over again. We made the walk toward Ferrell parking and stopped at the practice field. My wife and I turned around and looked in amazement of our surroundings. Although we've made that walk many times we had taken it for granted an incredible stadium, indoor practice facility, practice field that looks like it's never had a cleat on it, and the athletic student weight training coaches offices tutorial building and a nutritional center and wondered what the hell. It was a very humbling and empty feeling. We looked at each other and agreed it was our last walk for football. 40 years and I told her I've had enough of the green and gold enema. We are Not going to go thru another emotional "Process Trusting Again". To all on this board you have your agendas as I have my own. Yesterday's walk more than woke us up that in those 40 years as ticket holders the process never changed. Baylor football is and has always been about mediocrity and hope more than a determination to play successful big time football . There's a certain inner circle within Baylor that just don't get what it takes or don't want big time college football at a consistent level. If I was McLane and other major contributors I would personally feel high jacked at where we've come in the last two years. Looking back yesterday across that river and thinking what really should have been happening on that field and what I saw I know we felt high jacked. At some point when is enough - enough.
The one thing that gives me hope is that despite our idiot decision makers of Baylor's unelected leadership, we are still the only D1 Non-Catholic Christian School in the Nation. There are hundreds of state supported public schools. That one difference if used to our advantage, can pull us through the other side. Baylor is different. That difference after the negative hate dust settles will allow us to attract kids who want more than a being at just another state school. I just hope we find the right guy to push that fact and turn us around before we get kicked out of our P5 league - if that happens, we become no different than Liberty.
I meant P5 but many of the 28 others you claim are no longer associated with a Christian world view. TCU for example is no longer a school who emphasizes a Christian view. Duke and Wake Forest are even farther removed from Christianity than TCU. Find anything about being "Christian" on their web sites. TCU is not even Texas "Christian University anymore... its just TCU. Like Kentucky Fried Chicken is now KFC because they want to avoid the word "Fried", TCU wants to avoid the word "Christian".Nguyen One Soon said:The other 27 or 28 say hello. If you meant P5 instead, there are still at least three -- Duke, Wake Forest and TCU.la1037 said:Nailed it. The irony is some people will question your love of Baylor. While I can see you love Baylor more than most and one can only take so much disappointment before you just can't take it any more.Stretch said:
UMy wife and I was there. Could not have been more than 25,000. We were there for a full house for the Liberty game. Saw enough football in my life to know when I'm watching bad football and the rest of the season we have our season tickets to friends until today's game when we decide one more time. After the game was over it was the first time I felt no emotion after a game since Morris era. It was like deja vu all over again. We made the walk toward Ferrell parking and stopped at the practice field. My wife and I turned around and looked in amazement of our surroundings. Although we've made that walk many times we had taken it for granted an incredible stadium, indoor practice facility, practice field that looks like it's never had a cleat on it, and the athletic student weight training coaches offices tutorial building and a nutritional center and wondered what the hell. It was a very humbling and empty feeling. We looked at each other and agreed it was our last walk for football. 40 years and I told her I've had enough of the green and gold enema. We are Not going to go thru another emotional "Process Trusting Again". To all on this board you have your agendas as I have my own. Yesterday's walk more than woke us up that in those 40 years as ticket holders the process never changed. Baylor football is and has always been about mediocrity and hope more than a determination to play successful big time football . There's a certain inner circle within Baylor that just don't get what it takes or don't want big time college football at a consistent level. If I was McLane and other major contributors I would personally feel high jacked at where we've come in the last two years. Looking back yesterday across that river and thinking what really should have been happening on that field and what I saw I know we felt high jacked. At some point when is enough - enough.
The one thing that gives me hope is that despite our idiot decision makers of Baylor's unelected leadership, we are still the only D1 Non-Catholic Christian School in the Nation. There are hundreds of state supported public schools. That one difference if used to our advantage, can pull us through the other side. Baylor is different. That difference after the negative hate dust settles will allow us to attract kids who want more than a being at just another state school. I just hope we find the right guy to push that fact and turn us around before we get kicked out of our P5 league - if that happens, we become no different than Liberty.