PartyBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Considering the pending results of the NCAA investigation where its notice cited a "Lack of Institutional Control" back in October 2018, it would be interesting if USM actually hired him.

Technically, it could make sense to hire him if his contract allowed for USM to terminate him if the results of the NCAA investigation found any fault with him, but, at the same time, it may not be worth the negative press if there is a serious possibility that he would not make it through the final results of the investigation unscathed.

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I'm no expert on this....would the show cause just prevent him from being HC....and not keep him from being an assistant?

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It would keep him from being an assistant as well, I believe.

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A show cause wouldn't "prevent" anything. It's not a ban. It could potentially mean that penalties would follow him, if any. It would mean the new school would have to institute certain monitoring measures and compliance protocols that include periodic reporting. But, it does not prevent anyone from making the hire. Most schools wouldn't hire a coach under a show cause order because of the extension of sanctions.

PrideBU said:

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at least she was accurate in her reporting. Most leave out the fact most of the BOR allegations include DV cases too... the law suit alleged 52 rapes which is total bull shi...

All this backlash begs the question...

Which former Baylor coach would be more accepted on another college campus...


Dave Bliss or Art Briles?

Beaneater said:

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Southern Miss Golden Eagles
C-USA
30-21 in last 5 years
Best seasons: 11-2 in 2011; 10-2 in 88 & 52.
Worst season: 0-12 in 2012
36000 seat stadium
Bowls in 15, 16, 17
Last conf champ 2011; 5 C-USA champ teams
Plays Bama in 2021

Mandel: this is why two different media companies had to take out ads in the Super Bowl

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What happened between 2011 and 2012...coaching change?

PrideBU said:

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All this backlash begs the question...

Which former Baylor coach would be more accepted on another college campus...


Dave Bliss or Art Briles?

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Wasn't Dave Bliss coaching at some small potatoes school until recently when that "Disgraced" documentary came out?

PartyBear said:

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It's weird he may get hired with a show cause over his head. Seems like they know something. Livingston's comments were kind of weird and random as well explaining why top people involved weren't fired and trying say why that was good. Kind of like trying to explain things before having to.

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A lot of weird coincidences going on right now...

1. Why would IAN stick his neck out and say he expects CAB to be exonerated b NCAA...who does that right before the actual ruling...
2. CAB gets an interview now before the ruling...why now? whether he gets the job or not why would you consider him with the NCAA hanging out there?
3. Livingstone and her comments...I get that she had to speak up in regard to the recent report of the dorm rapes but to throw in the stuff about this not really being an athletics problem but a campus problem...once again why now?

I just am puzzled by the timing of all this...should I remove my tin foil cap or does someone know something they are not saying?

Eball said:

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PartyBear said:

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It's weird he may get hired with a show cause over his head. Seems like they know something. Livingston's comments were kind of weird and random as well explaining why top people involved weren't fired and trying say why that was good. Kind of like trying to explain things before having to.

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A lot of weird coincidences going on right now...

1. Why would IAN stick his neck out and say he expects CAB to be exonerated b NCAA...who does that right before the actual ruling...
2. CAB gets an interview now before the ruling...why now? whether he gets the job or not why would you consider him with the NCAA hanging out there?
3. Livingstone and her comments...I get that she had to speak up in regard to the recent report of the dorm rapes but to throw in the stuff about this not really being an athletics problem but a campus problem...once again why now?

I just am puzzled by the timing of all this...should I remove my tin foil cap or does someone know something they are not saying?

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The lawyers know. I can tell you that.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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Eball said:

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PartyBear said:

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It's weird he may get hired with a show cause over his head. Seems like they know something. Livingston's comments were kind of weird and random as well explaining why top people involved weren't fired and trying say why that was good. Kind of like trying to explain things before having to.

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A lot of weird coincidences going on right now...

1. Why would IAN stick his neck out and say he expects CAB to be exonerated b NCAA...who does that right before the actual ruling...
2. CAB gets an interview now before the ruling...why now? whether he gets the job or not why would you consider him with the NCAA hanging out there?
3. Livingstone and her comments...I get that she had to speak up in regard to the recent report of the dorm rapes but to throw in the stuff about this not really being an athletics problem but a campus problem...once again why now?

I just am puzzled by the timing of all this...should I remove my tin foil cap or does someone know something they are not saying?

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The lawyers know. I can tell you that.

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This is what I wonder if everyone has unofficial word including the NCAA clearing house hence so does Southern Miss. I just think it odd Briles might suddenly get hired with a potential show cause and Baylor is trying to explain why top level people involved in the scandal are still at Baylor and why that is good. Like trying to explain away that being sanctioned for them is better than losing them.

PartyBear said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Eball said:

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PartyBear said:

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It's weird he may get hired with a show cause over his head. Seems like they know something. Livingston's comments were kind of weird and random as well explaining why top people involved weren't fired and trying say why that was good. Kind of like trying to explain things before having to.

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A lot of weird coincidences going on right now...

1. Why would IAN stick his neck out and say he expects CAB to be exonerated b NCAA...who does that right before the actual ruling...
2. CAB gets an interview now before the ruling...why now? whether he gets the job or not why would you consider him with the NCAA hanging out there?
3. Livingstone and her comments...I get that she had to speak up in regard to the recent report of the dorm rapes but to throw in the stuff about this not really being an athletics problem but a campus problem...once again why now?

I just am puzzled by the timing of all this...should I remove my tin foil cap or does someone know something they are not saying?

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The lawyers know. I can tell you that.

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This is what I wonder if everyone has unofficial word including the NCAA clearing house hence so does Southern Miss. I just think it odd Briles might suddenly get hired with a potential show cause and Baylor is trying to explain why top level people involved in the scandal are still at Baylor and why that is good. Like trying to explain away that being sanctioned for them is better than losing them.

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Yup.

Bearnuts said:

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Beaneater said:

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Southern Miss Golden Eagles
C-USA
30-21 in last 5 years
Best seasons: 11-2 in 2011; 10-2 in 88 & 52.
Worst season: 0-12 in 2012
36000 seat stadium
Bowls in 15, 16, 17
Last conf champ 2011; 5 C-USA champ teams
Plays Bama in 2021

Mandel: this is why two different media companies had to take out ads in the Super Bowl

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What happened between 2011 and 2012...coaching change?

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Larry Fedora 2008-11
Ellis Johnson 2012 (the 0-12 year)
Todd Monken 2013-15
Jay Hopson 2016-present

Bowls:
97-2000 (beat toad in 2000)
2002-11
2015, 16, 17
Overall bowl record 12-13

Finished 6-5 in 2018, tied for 2d in C-USA West w/ La Tech & North TX, but apparently no bowl

I think someone earlier in the thread said they wondered what the local reaction was on this news fwiw

PartyBear said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Eball said:

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PartyBear said:

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It's weird he may get hired with a show cause over his head. Seems like they know something. Livingston's comments were kind of weird and random as well explaining why top people involved weren't fired and trying say why that was good. Kind of like trying to explain things before having to.

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A lot of weird coincidences going on right now...

1. Why would IAN stick his neck out and say he expects CAB to be exonerated b NCAA...who does that right before the actual ruling...
2. CAB gets an interview now before the ruling...why now? whether he gets the job or not why would you consider him with the NCAA hanging out there?
3. Livingstone and her comments...I get that she had to speak up in regard to the recent report of the dorm rapes but to throw in the stuff about this not really being an athletics problem but a campus problem...once again why now?

I just am puzzled by the timing of all this...should I remove my tin foil cap or does someone know something they are not saying?

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The lawyers know. I can tell you that.

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This is what I wonder if everyone has unofficial word including the NCAA clearing house hence so does Southern Miss. I just think it odd Briles might suddenly get hired with a potential show cause and Baylor is trying to explain why top level people involved in the scandal are still at Baylor and why that is good. Like trying to explain away that being sanctioned for them is better than losing them.

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I agree

Baylor did fire their employees. What top level is left?
Perhaps, we forget the NCAA is made up of schools, not coaches.

Interesting note in the article that SMU actually reduced their BOR numbers significantly post scandal

REX said:

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X?
Thee?
Brenda?

Three amigos

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And PrideBU

I really hope they hire him, so all you Briles cucks can leave here and go to the Southern Miss message boards.

CizzLark said:

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I really hope they hire him, so all you Briles cucks can leave here and go to the Southern Miss message boards.

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Subtle.

BaylorOkie said:

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Stuck-In-Idaho said:

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I hope Art gets ALL that he wants. He was screwed by Baylor. My hope is that he eventually becomes a head coach at a Big12 school and wipes Baylors ass. BU deserves it!!!

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People usually prefer to whip other people's asses.

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Forest Bueller said:

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PrideBU said:

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The people who defend Art, still, on here probably sat around the campfire with Clayton Williams and laughed when he said women should just enjoy an imminent rape...

That being said, if Briles launders his name by getting hired, will he finally get that statue next to RG3?

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This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen. Possibly USM is aware of what the NCAA investigation did not find and feel more comfortable with an interview of him.

What does Clayton Williams and his male chauvinist pig self have to do with Briles? Nothing.

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Hyperbole is an internet staple, bud! And if you don't like it, I suggest something stupid like "talking to your family" or "doing something nice for someone." Not me. I'm digging in!

boognish_bear said:

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This partly explains why he is currently a head football coach in Italy, and hoping to be an offensive coordinator in Conference USA.

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ok, that's just a tad funny(and sad). And this is why Briles should learn to 'manage' the media, rather than let his former assistant talk with them. ***** is trying to write an anti-Baylor piece, not a pro-Briles piece.

It's understandable that Briles has toed the line on not disparaging Baylor in the press. He made an agreement and he's sticking with it. Btw, for those unaware, Baylor has used that policy to consistent effect over at least 30 years, probably longer There are a long list of people that have been terminated where Baylor had enough information to make their decision without feeling like they needed to destroy that person for the sake of the news media, but kept the information to protect itself.

But Briles has every right to defend himself, it's frustrating to people that wish him well that he struggles with doing so.

BaylorOkie said:

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Stuck-In-Idaho said:

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I hope Art gets ALL that he wants. He was screwed by Baylor. My hope is that he eventually becomes a head coach at a Big12 school and wipes Baylors ass. BU deserves it!!!

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People usually prefer to whip other people's asses.

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You say tomato, I say butthole.

CizzLark said:

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I really hope they hire him, so all you Briles cucks can leave here and go to the Southern Miss message boards.

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CIZZLark, I'm thinking anger management. Reruns of Mr. Rogers or Daniel Tiger would be a good start.

xiledinok said:

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Baylor did fire their employees. What top level is left?
Perhaps, we forget the NCAA is made up of schools, not coaches.

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No they didn't. Jackson, Holmes, Murdock, McCraw, and Scott are still there. Doak retired. RR and TLD went on a year sabbatical before they retire.

BarleyMcDougal said:

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BaylorOkie said:

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Stuck-In-Idaho said:

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I hope Art gets ALL that he wants. He was screwed by Baylor. My hope is that he eventually becomes a head coach at a Big12 school and wipes Baylors ass. BU deserves it!!!

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People usually prefer to whip other people's asses.

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You say tomato, I say butthole.

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S Miss HC is going to stand firm I was told this AM.

We shall see.

Not much negative press in tha Sip. State plays them this year and some of their fans are trashing Briles. Then others bring up Simmons at State, the all SEC woman beater.

It sounds like this is going to happen if coaches of other sports there are endorsing it. Which begs the question why when there is a show cause hanging over his head, unless they have the unofficial word he is cleared and he will not be sanctioned.

I will be highly pissed if the NCAA declared Briles clean but sanctions the university because it did not clean out the high level administrators who actually were involved in wrong doing. It is going to be at revolution levels I think at that point. If the BOR and current administration thought May of 2016 through now has been rough, they havent seen anything yet if that is the ultimate outcome of all of this.

It's so close that Briles' lawyers and people were making vague threats yesterday about anything that the bloggers were posting.
It is clear they don't want the media digging up more bad news.

I was well aware Southern Mississippi is gasping for air as a football program. The football program and athletic department might be in danger of folding. Desperate people do desperate things. Most school presidents would fire their head football coach with the thought. It's panic time.

PartyBear said:

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It sounds like this is going to happen if coaches of other sports there are endorsing it. Which begs the question why when there is a show cause hanging over his head, unless they have the unofficial word he is cleared and he will not be sanctioned.

I will be highly pissed if the NCAA declared Briles clean but sanctions the university because it did not clean out the high level administrators who actually were involved in wrong doing. It is going to be at revolution levels I think at that point. If the BOR and current administration thought May of 2016 through now has been rough, they havent seen anything yet if that is the ultimate outcome of all of this.

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The NCAA can't hand down a punishment based on who's governing Baylor. They are allowed to look for infractions and let that committee do its job. The purview of the NCAA is quite miniscule.