Bear8084 said:applemacg4 said:
So it's February 2019.
How many Baylor football players have been prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned for these allegations against them?
Just the facts.
Lack of Institutional Control and failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance.
Chuckroast said:Bear8084 said:applemacg4 said:
So it's February 2019.
How many Baylor football players have been prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned for these allegations against them?
Just the facts.
Lack of Institutional Control and failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance.
May be - but our administration is helping to promote a narrative that he looked the other way on sexual assaults, and that is why no one is hiring him.
Bear8084 said:Chuckroast said:Bear8084 said:applemacg4 said:
So it's February 2019.
How many Baylor football players have been prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned for these allegations against them?
Just the facts.
Lack of Institutional Control and failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance.
May be - but our administration is helping to promote a narrative that he looked the other way on sexual assaults, and that is why no one is hiring him.
Maybe so, but even the USM coach admitted Briles didn't follow proper procedures. The NCAA finds that it was egregious enough to put that label on him, whatever they found.
Malbec said:
I'd like to see the NCAA rule that says, "The member institution is required to promote an atmosphere of compliance." Talk about your made-up load of horse #$&@. Oh, they complied with the rules, but the atmosphere of compliance was lacking. Holy sump pump Batman!
Disingenuous. An atmosphere of compliance is a rebuttal to a responsible finding, not a rule unto itself. It's a theory the NCAA has created to shield responsible parties from personal sanction. If a coach or administrator is in charge of a program that is presumed to have violated the rules, that person can use the "atmosphere of compliance" as a tool to show a good-faith effort to follow the rules. If you haven't broken the rules of the NCAA, "atmosphere of compliance" is nothing but bull%$#@. And BTW, Title IX compliance is not an NCAA purview.Bear8084 said:Malbec said:
I'd like to see the NCAA rule that says, "The member institution is required to promote an atmosphere of compliance." Talk about your made-up load of horse #$&@. Oh, they complied with the rules, but the atmosphere of compliance was lacking. Holy sump pump Batman!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2018DIEnf_HeadCoachResponsibilites_20180411.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi8jJbUmrLgAhVMQq0KHQPuCasQFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1cX3R8YWwiUEjvmKtJAa6r
Malbec said:Disingenuous. An atmosphere of compliance is a rebuttal to a responsible finding, not a rule unto itself. It's a theory the NCAA has created to shield responsible parties from personal sanction. If a coach or administrator is in charge of a program that is presumed to have violated the rules, that person can use the "atmosphere of compliance" as a tool to show a good-faith effort to follow the rules. If you haven't broken the rules of the NCAA, "atmosphere of compliance" is nothing but bull%$#@. And BTW, Title IX compliance is not an NCAA purview.Bear8084 said:Malbec said:
I'd like to see the NCAA rule that says, "The member institution is required to promote an atmosphere of compliance." Talk about your made-up load of horse #$&@. Oh, they complied with the rules, but the atmosphere of compliance was lacking. Holy sump pump Batman!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2018DIEnf_HeadCoachResponsibilites_20180411.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi8jJbUmrLgAhVMQq0KHQPuCasQFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1cX3R8YWwiUEjvmKtJAa6r
Thanks for the clarity on that one. Given that a HC is presumptively responsible for the actions of coaches under him, it's starting to make more sense why the NCAA indicated in its notice to Briles that he is going to get hit (unless his response during the extension made a difference).Bear8084 said:
https://www.collegeandprosportslaw.com/collegiate-sports/ncaa-head-coaches-beware-you-are-presumptively-responsible-for-acts-of-assistant-coaches-administrators/
Sure sounds like a rule to me. And who said anything about Title IX?
Baylor and Briles will likely be the recipients of minor penalties, despite how the NCAA's grandstanding makes the situation seem so dire for both parties.Aberzombie1892 said:Thanks for the clarity on that one. Given that a HC is presumptively responsible for the actions of coaches under him, it's starting to make more sense why the NCAA indicated in its notice to Briles that he is going to get hit (unless his response during the extension made a difference).Bear8084 said:
https://www.collegeandprosportslaw.com/collegiate-sports/ncaa-head-coaches-beware-you-are-presumptively-responsible-for-acts-of-assistant-coaches-administrators/
Sure sounds like a rule to me. And who said anything about Title IX?
PartyBear said:
If Briles is exhonerated by the NCAA then it is clear he wasn't one who had to go.
I asked this somewhere else but never got an answer...do we actually know for sure what the notice letters said in regards to violations as to BU and CAB? Some sports person said they were level one violations and I just don't know if they were guessing or if it was confirmed? Also anyone else get a notice letter or just CAB and BU?ScottS said:PartyBear said:
If Briles is exhonerated by the NCAA then it is clear he wasn't one who had to go.
Which means we can rehire him.
Wichitabear said:
But, we will not be rehiring him
You do not know this. He was almost hired by USM. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.
Guy Noir said:You do not know this. He was almost hired. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.
University of Southern Mississippixiledinok said:Guy Noir said:You do not know this. He was almost hired. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.
Because there's no excitement outside the bubble to hire him.
"Almost hired him"....Southern Mississippi has been bottom G5 for a decade.
Ostracized isn't the word. He has been avoided. He is on par as a road hazard.
Malbec said:University of Southern Mississippixiledinok said:Guy Noir said:You do not know this. He was almost hired. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.
Because there's no excitement outside the bubble to hire him.
"Almost hired him"....Southern Mississippi has been bottom G5 for a decade.
Ostracized isn't the word. He has been avoided. He is on par as a road hazard.
Football Records
2009: 7-6
2010: 8-5
2011: 11-2
2012: 0-12
2013: 1-11
2014: 3-9
2015: 9-5
2016: 7-6
2017: 8-5
2018: 6-5
USM has appeared in a bowl game in 18 of the last 22 years. They have had a winning record in 22 of the last 25 seasons.
At least get your facts straight. G5 bottom indeed.
4 non-conference games (including @Mississippi State and @Nebraska), 8 conference games (7-1), the conference championship game, and the bowl game at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas against Washington = 14. Keep going Elmer.xiledinok said:
How did they play 14 games? 9-5? ....
Malbec said:4 non-conference games (including @Mississippi State and @Nebraska), 8 conference games (7-1), the conference championship game, and the bowl game at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas against Washington = 14. Keep going Elmer.xiledinok said:
How did they play 14 games? 9-5? ....
That has never been his strong suit.Malbec said:University of Southern Mississippixiledinok said:Guy Noir said:You do not know this. He was almost hired. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.
Because there's no excitement outside the bubble to hire him.
"Almost hired him"....Southern Mississippi has been bottom G5 for a decade.
Ostracized isn't the word. He has been avoided. He is on par as a road hazard.
Football Records
2009: 7-6
2010: 8-5
2011: 11-2
2012: 0-12
2013: 1-11
2014: 3-9
2015: 9-5
2016: 7-6
2017: 8-5
2018: 6-5
USM has appeared in a bowl game in 18 of the last 22 years. They have had a winning record in 22 of the last 25 seasons.
At least get your facts straight. G5 bottom indeed.
If the report does not slam him, I think he will get hired somewhere . . . I hope as a HCGuy Noir said:You do not know this. He was almost hired by USM. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.
X never lets facts get in the way..when it comes to hating on cab....Malbec said:University of Southern Mississippixiledinok said:Guy Noir said:You do not know this. He was almost hired. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.
Because there's no excitement outside the bubble to hire him.
"Almost hired him"....Southern Mississippi has been bottom G5 for a decade.
Ostracized isn't the word. He has been avoided. He is on par as a road hazard.
Football Records
2009: 7-6
2010: 8-5
2011: 11-2
2012: 0-12
2013: 1-11
2014: 3-9
2015: 9-5
2016: 7-6
2017: 8-5
2018: 6-5
USM has appeared in a bowl game in 18 of the last 22 years. They have had a winning record in 22 of the last 25 seasons.
At least get your facts straight. G5 bottom indeed.
There may be some truth to that since USM does pay the lowest HC salary in the CUSA conference, and given that USM pays roughly 1/3 of what the highest paying CUSA program pays, that is certainly saying something. However, given Jay Hopson's okay-by-mid-tier-G5-standards record, USM may be getting a pretty good deal return on investment, and, further, that kind of return may be what is keeping Jay employed after the events over the last couple of weeks.xiledinok said:
Look, the other one takes over to run a bill.
Southern Mississippi is bottom five. Their financial situation is a bad one. Maybe they can buy some RPO t shirts.
It's shameful that I have you two pumping up Southern Mississippi. When is Brett Farve getting brought up?
It's a poor situation for a football coach.Aberzombie1892 said:There may be some truth to that since USM does pay the lowest HC salary in the CUSA conference, and given that USM pays roughly 1/3 of what the highest paying CUSA program pays, that is certainly saying something. However, given Jay Hopson's okay-by-mid-tier-G5-standards record, USM may be getting a pretty good deal return on investment, and, further, that kind of return may be what is keeping Jay employed after the events over the last couple of weeks.xiledinok said:
Look, the other one takes over to run a bill.
Southern Mississippi is bottom five. Their financial situation is a bad one. Maybe they can buy some RPO t shirts.
It's shameful that I have you two pumping up Southern Mississippi. When is Brett Farve getting brought up?
https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2018/10/4/17937554/breaking-down-coaches-salaries-in-conference-usa-football-salary-head-coach-cusa
Because he's a mouthpiece for the administration thatGuy Noir said:You do not know this. He was almost hired by USM. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.
Quote:
seems fine with...destroying him as long as it serves their own self interest.
applemacg4 said:Because he's a mouthpiece for the administration thatGuy Noir said:You do not know this. He was almost hired by USM. It has been 3 years of being ostracised from US College Football Coaching. Why do you feel it is your duty to keep slamming Art Briles?xiledinok said:
No one will be rehiring him.
It's our mistake not getting him under control before he blew himself up.
Oh well, it would have been cotton gin employment for Art without football.Quote:
seems fine with...destroying him as long as it serves their own self interest.
...meanwhile he thinks the guy who brought a Heisman trophy and state of the Art stadium to Waco is only capable of working an oil rig in West Texas.
...and for those of you looking at records, something about stones and glass houses comes to mind.
1997
Roberts
2-9
6th South
1998
Roberts
2-9
6th South
Kevin Steele (Big 12) (19992002)
1999
Steele
1-10
6th South
2000
Steele
2-9
6th South
2001
Steele
3-8
6th South
2002
Steele
3-9
6th South
Guy Morriss (Big 12) (20032007)
2003
Morriss
3-9
6th South
2004
Morriss
3-8
6th South
2005
Morriss
5-6
5th South
2006
Morriss
4-8
T-5th South
2007
Morriss
3-9
6th South
Fair enough. I want to like Briles and I think he has a lot of redeeming qualities.Aberzombie1892 said:
At this point, it would be in his best interest to wait until the results of the NCAA investigation are released and that is honestly something that he should have strongly considered during from the beginning. If he says things now that even remotely appear to conflict with those results when they are released, it would be held against him.
xiledinok said:
Because there's no excitement outside the bubble to hire him.
"Almost hired him"....Southern Mississippi has been bottom G5 for a decade.
Ostracized isn't the word. He has been avoided. He is on par as a road hazard.
I checked the dictionary and avoid is used to define Ostracize. You lexical judgement is a little off.
I suggest you avoid correcting people when you are wrong.
ostracize
Dictionary result for ostracize
/strsz/
verb
past tense: ostracized; past participle: ostracized
[ol]exclude (someone) from a society or group. [/ol]
"a group of people who have been ridiculed, ostracized, and persecuted for centuries"
synonyms:
exclude, shun, spurn, cold-shoulder, give someone the cold shoulder, reject, repudiate, boycott, blackball, blacklist, cast off, cast out, shut out, avoid, ignore, snub, cut dead, keep at arm's length, leave out in the cold, bar, ban, debar, banish, exile, expel; More
