TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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REX said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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That .... and (allegidly)

Rape
Assault
Academic fraud
Not vetting transfers
Masking agents
Trains
Pulling guns
Exposure
Breaking and entering
Harassing rape victim
Date rape drugs
Vandalizing rape victims car
Not reporting to Judicial Affairs

But yes, Title 9

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Oakman did all that? Oh wait. He did nothing, but y'all still proclaimed him guilty.

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Wasn't speaking about Oakman specifically - you might note the words "entire scandal" that I was replying to

Oakman did allegedly assault a different girlfriend while at Baylor. Athletics knew about this and did not report this to Title IX / Judicial Affairs.

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That darn little allegedly word that you have to keep on using.

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Alleged is very appropriate, but you are burying the lead.

What is not alleged is athletics knew about this and did nothing. Briles' fixer, assistant AD Shillinglaw, lied to PH investigators and was busted with information about this on his computer.

Baylor had an obligation to the victim to offer counseling, academic help, financial aid, and many other things as required under Title IX. Since Baylor did not know about this because of athletics, they could not possibly fulfill their obligations. Athletics not only lied and deceived their employer, Baylor, they created a large financial liability for them too. This gets you justifiably fired.

You report alleged assaults. End of story. You don't prove the allegation and then report. Coaches don't investigate and meet with victims and their parents.

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The problem is "Baylor" "their employer" didn't have a functioning Title IX process with protocols in place. You can't hang the Athletic Department for Administrative failures - oh, but I guess that's what happened. This is what happens when the government tries to pass off law enforcement and investigation to colleges and universities, instead of leaving that responsibility where it belongs with the district attorney's or federal attorneys. where criminal issues belong.

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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In our system of government, justice is better served with criminal enforcement actions brought through the prosecutorial system. When you try to create a quasi government enforcement alternative route, you get problems like Baylor. Universities are not law enforcement agencies. We have restraining orders, and we have school suspension/expulsion rules for people like Tevin.

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xiledinok said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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In our system of government, justice is better served with criminal enforcement actions brought through the prosecutorial system. When you try to create a quasi government enforcement alternative route, you get problems like Baylor. Universities are not law enforcement agencies. We have restraining orders, and we have school suspension/expulsion rules for people like Tevin.

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Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't give a damn about Title IX but does give a damn about the incidents and Oakman's behavior.
They also don't want Briles. Very similar reason.

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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In our system of government, justice is better served with criminal enforcement actions brought through the prosecutorial system. When you try to create a quasi government enforcement alternative route, you get problems like Baylor. Universities are not law enforcement agencies. We have restraining orders, and we have school suspension/expulsion rules for people like Tevin.

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Couldn't agree more.

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Keyser Soze said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Couldn't agree more.

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T9 is helping victims of assault. What is your beef about that?

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Couldn't agree more.

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T9 is helping victims of assault. What is your beef about that?

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As it stands now, it's unbalanced in favor of an accuser, but that's about to change.

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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In our system of government, justice is better served with criminal enforcement actions brought through the prosecutorial system. When you try to create a quasi government enforcement alternative route, you get problems like Baylor. Universities are not law enforcement agencies. We have restraining orders, and we have school suspension/expulsion rules for people like Tevin.

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You do realize outside of mandatory help given to victims, ie) counselors, academic accommodations, the right to retake a class - all the T9 suspension rules are not particularly different that student conduct code policies which have been around forever.

When Shillinglaw / Briles did not report the alleged assault by Oakman to Title IX - they also failed to report student conduct code violations. They did not just fail newer Title IX policy, the failed School policy which was in effect long before either Shillinglaw or Briles were hired.

There is not a school in the country that is going to keep a known rapist on their campus with or without T9.

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You're making my point. Schools shouldn't be burdened with Title IX. Glad you realize Baylor had a failed school policy long before Briles. Shouldn't the BOR be held accountable for that?

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Keyser Soze said:

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Couldn't agree more.

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T9 is helping victims of assault. What is your beef about that?

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As it stands now, it's unbalanced in favor of an accuser, but that's about to change.

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That is incorrect.

Humans have certainly made such errors, but that is a faulty application of the law, not a problem with the law itself.

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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In our system of government, justice is better served with criminal enforcement actions brought through the prosecutorial system. When you try to create a quasi government enforcement alternative route, you get problems like Baylor. Universities are not law enforcement agencies. We have restraining orders, and we have school suspension/expulsion rules for people like Tevin.

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You do realize outside of mandatory help given to victims, ie) counselors, academic accommodations, the right to retake a class - all the T9 suspension rules are not particularly different that student conduct code policies which have been around forever.

When Shillinglaw / Briles did not report the alleged assault by Oakman to Title IX - they also failed to report student conduct code violations. They did not just fail newer Title IX policy, the failed School policy which was in effect long before either Shillinglaw or Briles were hired.

There is not a school in the country that is going to keep a known rapist on their campus with or without T9.

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Doc Holliday said:

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xiledinok said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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That .... and (allegidly)

Rape
Assault
Academic fraud
Not vetting transfers
Masking agents
Trains
Pulling guns
Exposure
Breaking and entering
Harassing rape victim
Date rape drugs
Vandalizing rape victims car
Not reporting to Judicial Affairs

But yes, Title 9

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Title IX perpetuates all of those problems is what I'm getting at.

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Title IX has nothing to do with grade changes. It has nothing to do with a bunch of that list. Keep trying to sale a Briles. Like the effort at the Alamo, admirable but still getting killed.

Our former regime needs to be at a football finishing school. The problem is that there are no football finishing schools. Art needs to coach in a European model of athletic development. Unfortunately, a place that teaches cotton picking in the United States doesn't have a football team. No academics want him near them.

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It has nothing to do with Briles and everything to do with horrible politics and legislation rendering the process of assault crimes to be carried out by people have NO BUSINESS handling assault. This is how you end up with a scandal: unqualified people perpetuating the very thing they are supposed to be solving.

The equity amendment within title IX has become a tool for policing sexual violence and sexual behavior of students on campuses. The sheer amount of lawsuits stemming from investigations should be a huge red flag. It's downright unconstitutional: you don't give 45 year old bleeding heart Debra, whose background is administration jobs, full authority to conduct criminal investigations. It's asinine.

By requiring universities and other institutions to set and enforce standards of accountability that are often higher than required by law, is just asking for unfair treatment and problems.

You see, Title IX places the responsibility and ultimately the blame on the institution/school, instead of a criminal process that has developed over hundreds of years.

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Keyser Soze said:

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A traditional he said she said absent other facts should never result in an accused being removed from school.

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BarleyMcDougal said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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A traditional he said she said absent other facts should never result in an accused being removed from school.

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I think you discount how often that's occurring, or that there's a scenario where both parties admit certain facts that in a court of law tend to mitigate each other, yet on the university level could result in a dismissal.

Both parties being under the influence comes to mind...which, you guessed it, is the most common scenario in these situations!

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xiledinok said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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In our system of government, justice is better served with criminal enforcement actions brought through the prosecutorial system. When you try to create a quasi government enforcement alternative route, you get problems like Baylor. Universities are not law enforcement agencies. We have restraining orders, and we have school suspension/expulsion rules for people like Tevin.

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Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't give a damn about Title IX but does give a damn about the incidents and Oakman's behavior.
They also don't want Briles. Very similar reason.

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OldBurlyBear86 said:

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xiledinok said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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In our system of government, justice is better served with criminal enforcement actions brought through the prosecutorial system. When you try to create a quasi government enforcement alternative route, you get problems like Baylor. Universities are not law enforcement agencies. We have restraining orders, and we have school suspension/expulsion rules for people like Tevin.

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Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't give a damn about Title IX but does give a damn about the incidents and Oakman's behavior.
They also don't want Briles. Very similar reason.

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You are laughable. NFL is full ex cons and okies who have committed atrocities.

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OldBurlyBear86 said:

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xiledinok said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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.... because the Tevin Elliotts of the world need a safe college campus to hang out for 12 - 24 months before their trial

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In our system of government, justice is better served with criminal enforcement actions brought through the prosecutorial system. When you try to create a quasi government enforcement alternative route, you get problems like Baylor. Universities are not law enforcement agencies. We have restraining orders, and we have school suspension/expulsion rules for people like Tevin.

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Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't give a damn about Title IX but does give a damn about the incidents and Oakman's behavior.
They also don't want Briles. Very similar reason.

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You are laughable. NFL is full ex cons and okies who have committed atrocities.

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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REX said:

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xiledinok said:

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There must be a joke here that the NFL is going to take him. He should have figured out after Penn State that his behavior needed to be changed. He didn't and now gets to play in the semi pros for good.

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Why are you still here?
Constantly running down Baylor alumni.
STOP

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Forest Bueller said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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Away from the religion pages we pretty much agree 100%.

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TexasScientist said:

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Forest Bueller said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The real tragedy in the entire scandal is the garbage known as Title IX.

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Schools shouldn't be in the business of receiving assault complaints and acting upon them. That should fall within the purview of the DA's office.

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Away from the religion pages we pretty much agree 100%.

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Maybe we should stay off the religion pages - LOL

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Timbear said:

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X, what do you gain by continually bashing an innocent man who played for Baylor? You're sick .

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