So, I don't get it. Cali passes a law that says a college student (adult) can sell their likeness and get money. Was this ever illegal before? Pretty sure once you are an adult you can do this in every state in the good ol' USA.
NCAA is a voluntary Association. In order to be in it you have to follow their rules which may or may not be the same as the state or federal law. As long as the rules do not violate the law then the NCAA can enforce them as they see fit in their voluntary Association. Telling a kid they have to be an amateur meaning they cannot get paid for their performance or likeness in order to be in their Association is not illegal - it is a term of membership.
Looks like Cali's point was to make people talk about paying Student Athletes and force a fake sense of urgency into the issue. I guess they succeeded.
Regardless of which side you stand on the issue I am not sure why it even matters if a state (no matter which state) would have this law as it basically is a waste of time. The law already allows you to be paid for your likeness once you are an adult...
I could be wrong but I think the wording of the law is that state universities in California cannot prohibit their athletes from profiting from their likeness, which would be a legal demand that state universities not abide by NCAA rules. Again, I could be wrong.
College sports is a billion dollar industry, and the only ones not allowed to make money are now the players actually playing on the field. You can bet and make money as a fan, a school makes money, 20 coaches get a combined 15 million a year at big schools, but the players can't get a dime?
You are starting with the false assumption that college sports as it is is pure, and not about the money. Wrong!
It is about the money, it's just that coaches, schools, and the ncaa want all of the money. And pure!?????? Lmao, it is corrupt as hell.
Allowing the players to be paid for the product they put on the field will actually make it less corrupt, and more pure. You know, free market capitalism? Getting people to work for free sounds more like some commie dictator scheme than anything else, sorry your blood doesn't run red white and blue, stop being so butt hurt the slaving scheme you love is coming to an end.
So that scholarship, room, and board are worth zero?
To Zion Williamson the scholarship, room, and board did not compensate him for the millions he could have made coming straight out of high school, but to others it would have like Seth Russell for example. He was not anybody coming out of high school and was glad to be on scholarship and what not for the years he was on the Baylor team.
College sports is a billion dollar industry, and the only ones not allowed to make money are now the players actually playing on the field. You can bet and make money as a fan, a school makes money, 20 coaches get a combined 15 million a year at big schools, but the players can't get a dime?
You are starting with the false assumption that college sports as it is is pure, and not about the money. Wrong!
It is about the money, it's just that coaches, schools, and the ncaa want all of the money. And pure!?????? Lmao, it is corrupt as hell.
Allowing the players to be paid for the product they put on the field will actually make it less corrupt, and more pure. You know, free market capitalism? Getting people to work for free sounds more like some commie dictator scheme than anything else, sorry your blood doesn't run red white and blue, stop being so butt hurt the slaving scheme you love is coming to an end.
So that scholarship, room, and board are worth zero?
To Zion Williamson the scholarship, room, and board did not compensate him for the millions he could have made coming straight out of high school, but to others it would have like Seth Russell for example. He was not anybody coming out of high school and was glad to be on scholarship and what not for the years he was on the Baylor team.
It's funny how the NBA and NFL skirt all criticism on this issue. The only reason Zion Williamson went to college at all is because of the NBA's arbitrary age limit, yet it's the NCAA that takes all the heat for "exploiting" him.
I'm no water-carrier for the NCAA, which has its share of problems, but on this particularly issue, it's the pro leagues calling the shots, not the NCAA. In the sports with established minor league systems, you don't have these issues. Guys who don't want to be in college don't go. They get their signing bonuses and start their professional careers in the minor leagues. And those that did choose college don't whine about being exploited.
So, I don't get it. Cali passes a law that says a college student (adult) can sell their likeness and get money. Was this ever illegal before? Pretty sure once you are an adult you can do this in every state in the good ol' USA.
NCAA is a voluntary Association. In order to be in it you have to follow their rules which may or may not be the same as the state or federal law. As long as the rules do not violate the law then the NCAA can enforce them as they see fit in their voluntary Association. Telling a kid they have to be an amateur meaning they cannot get paid for their performance or likeness in order to be in their Association is not illegal - it is a term of membership.
Looks like Cali's point was to make people talk about paying Student Athletes and force a fake sense of urgency into the issue. I guess they succeeded.
Regardless of which side you stand on the issue I am not sure why it even matters if a state (no matter which state) would have this law as it basically is a waste of time. The law already allows you to be paid for your likeness once you are an adult...
I could be wrong but I think the wording of the law is that state universities in California cannot prohibit their athletes from profiting from their likeness, which would be a legal demand that state universities not abide by NCAA rules. Again, I could be wrong.
You are right. There is another thread on R&P that has a link to more information with the law.
Looks like it is the line in the sand - basically NCAA will have to either allow the Cali Schools in and change their rules or kick them out and face the prospect of a new Association being formed to compete with them.
Probably is about time this happens, but I am not sure where it is going to leave our Baylor.
The OP is spot on. If the NCAA caves, it will most assuredly be the death of not just college football, but all of college athletics and sites like SE365. Most importantly, it will end educational opportunities for thousands and thousands of student-athletes.
You can talk all you want about how schools are making all this money off the backs of athletes (very few of those schools make any money at all), but the fact is that this law will not give those student-athletes access to that money. It will be different money; money that will create an unlevel playing field and that will be free from any system to control abuse.
The NCAA will have this liberal decision tied up in court for years to come.
As others have said, I don't see how this is liberal. I think people are reacting emotionally because it's coming from California. It's a pretty pro-capitalism/ anti-socialism move.
In any case, it opens a can of worms. Agreed with others who say this would be better than the schools paying players, in which case the arms race would rapidly dwindle the field of competitive teams. This just allows players to sign autographs, get into a local auto commercial, etc. For the majority of athletes, this will be a minor thing.
If I'm a wealthy Alabama or UT donor and own several car lots, is there a limit to what I can pay a student to use his likeness? Can a recruit be swayed to my university because I'm going to pay him $40,000 per commercial?
Don't you think Bama is probably doing something like that already? This just makes it above board. I'd expect a market to stabilize; how many athletes and how much money is someone gonna pay? Guess we'll see. I think there's been too much momentum in this direction to completely stop it. Everyone but the players themselves is making millions off them risking their bodies for our entertainment.
They choose to do that. If nothing else, let ESPN pay every player the same amount. Baylor is not making millions.
No, but this isn't about Baylor. It's about what local businesses or boosters may feel like giving. Bama levels? Of course not. Washington State levels? Also no, not in sport-crazed Texas.
To be clear I think there's a lot of potential harm/ I'm not arguing I would prefer this pass and become the norm. I'm just saying it's also not the death knell of college sports.
My son went to an FCS school and may daughter attends a D2 school, football games are still "football games" at that level.
Ya, FCS football at places like U of Montana is still a heck of a lot of fun.
Been to the Brawl of the Wild twice...incredible atmosphere
Hell yes. That may well be the apex of FCS football. And UM's stadium is awesome.
Both games were in Bozeman..we were/are Bobcats.
Well, still a pretty good stadium Views from Bobcat Stadium are great, and Bozeman is amazing. Would love to end up there someday (like so many others). Bobcats have had the better of the series as of late too.
If my wife would agree, I could easily live in Bozeman or Missoula. Bozeman is way expensive on housing...Missoula and it's suburbs are a bit better. I'd even like to rent an aprtment and live there a few years...then move back to Texas.
Heck, I'd even live in a mobile home in Montana...no twisters...at least not in that part.
Luckily my wife is fully on board, and our top choices are Bozeman, Missoula, and Durango. Now we just both gotta find jobs in one of those spots.
Although I love college football, I've always thought it was ridiculous that college was the only acceptable minor league for pro football. At least in baseball, a high school kid has the option of foregoing college and playing in the minor leagues and getting paid.
Somehow, the NFL has set up a system that essentially requires a kid to go to college . . . and not get paid for playing . . . and has eliminated the expense on behalf of the NFL teams of maintaining their own minor league system. NCAA member institutions are complicit in this because they are all too willing to be the minor league system for the NFL.
It really makes no sense that a great high school player has to go to college and risk injury and play for free if he wants to play in the NFL.
So, I don't get it. Cali passes a law that says a college student (adult) can sell their likeness and get money. Was this ever illegal before? Pretty sure once you are an adult you can do this in every state in the good ol' USA.
NCAA is a voluntary Association. In order to be in it you have to follow their rules which may or may not be the same as the state or federal law. As long as the rules do not violate the law then the NCAA can enforce them as they see fit in their voluntary Association. Telling a kid they have to be an amateur meaning they cannot get paid for their performance or likeness in order to be in their Association is not illegal - it is a term of membership.
Looks like Cali's point was to make people talk about paying Student Athletes and force a fake sense of urgency into the issue. I guess they succeeded.
Regardless of which side you stand on the issue I am not sure why it even matters if a state (no matter which state) would have this law as it basically is a waste of time. The law already allows you to be paid for your likeness once you are an adult...
It's not illegal. Cali is flexing on the NCAA because the NCAA prevents student athletes from profiting off of one's own likeness.
It's why NCAA '14 was the last video game because of lawsuits that the players were not being compensated for their likeness as EA and the NCAA raked in the money.
So student athletes are not violating law, but they are violating NCAA rules if they do.
Cali is trying to force a conversation on a rule change.
So, I don't get it. Cali passes a law that says a college student (adult) can sell their likeness and get money. Was this ever illegal before? Pretty sure once you are an adult you can do this in every state in the good ol' USA.
NCAA is a voluntary Association. In order to be in it you have to follow their rules which may or may not be the same as the state or federal law. As long as the rules do not violate the law then the NCAA can enforce them as they see fit in their voluntary Association. Telling a kid they have to be an amateur meaning they cannot get paid for their performance or likeness in order to be in their Association is not illegal - it is a term of membership.
Looks like Cali's point was to make people talk about paying Student Athletes and force a fake sense of urgency into the issue. I guess they succeeded.
Regardless of which side you stand on the issue I am not sure why it even matters if a state (no matter which state) would have this law as it basically is a waste of time. The law already allows you to be paid for your likeness once you are an adult...
It's not illegal. Cali is flexing on the NCAA because the NCAA prevents student athletes from profiting off of one's own likeness.
It's why NCAA '14 was the last video game because of lawsuits that the players were not being compensated for their likeness as EA and the NCAA raked in the money.
So student athletes are not violating law, but they are violating NCAA rules if they do.
Cali is trying to force a conversation on a rule change.
Another example is former Colorado player Jeremy Bloom who was an expert snowboarder. He had to turn down a board endorsement deal. Or the kid from Vanderbilt who is not allowed to make money off his popular YouTube channel
All this does is force the NCAA to develop some rational rules so that players can make money off their likeness.
If they NCAA outright opposes this, it'll be the death of the NCAA.
So let's just enjoy the fact that we are finally going to get another NCAA Football game in the next few years.
The NCAA is far bigger than Nutfyuk Newsom and the State of California.
This is not the way you change things. Supreme Dictator Newsom doesn't believe in any other way.
Players should get some sort of stipend, depending on their background...I have no problem with that.
But they're not pro athletes either, demanding billions a year to take a fyucking knee either. At least not until they get talked into the NFL after their freshman year or later.
If the schools want to talk to the NCAA like adults and work out a compromise? Cool!
But if no, those schools are athletically ineligible for sanctioned events once the law is in effect.
You all seem to think this is isolated to California.
They are just the first. The tide is changing, and everyone who thinks it is a violation of ethics needs to be reminded that billion-dollar sports industries associated with academic schools is already an ethical corruption in itself.
Anyone on Baylor campus can profit from their likeness EXCEPT the student-athletes which is utterly non-sensical. Just because they attend a university should not prevent them from making money on the side.
Regardless of which side of the fence on the likeness issue you are, we all agree that schools directly paying players is wrong (which this law is not about). Yet we don't bat an eye at scholarships which are essentially a regulated form of that.
The NCAA, under the pressure of multiple states, is going to have to make a compromise here in order to preserve its authority as a regulating body. If it doesn't, several states will probably follow suit and essentially do away with the NCAA--thereby fracturing the uniform body and maybe even create an entirely new organization to replace it.
If Nike wants to do a commercial with Jalen Hurts in it and Jalen is the only one who is paid--who cares?
That's where the NCAA needs to step in and set some clearly defined rules and prevent schools from putting their hands where they shouldn't.
It's not the schools that will be the problem, per se. It going to be boosters, companies with ties to schools. It's going to put a HUGE divide between the Ohio St's, Bama's, Texas' etc and the rest of us. That divide is already there and widening. This will make it worse.
You mean the boosters that are already manipulating the system in the recruiting process by hiring people to influence kids in high school? All this might do is cut out the middle men or at least change the middle men to commercial businesses.
Corruption is always going to be there--it's the American way. This law is designed to allow people to make money from their likeness--which they were born with.
Again, this is where the NCAA needs to lean forward and be proactive in regulating the issue if it wants to survive. It's already failed to uphold the same standards for various other penalties and people are questioning its worth. It was designed to protect student athletes yet doesn't seem to advocate for students at all anymore.
So because corruption exists, we shouldn't do anything? If you don't think schools, business etc will pervert this into something, I believe your wrong.
No, what I'm suggesting is that nothing is being done right now with the corruption that exists.
All that can be done going forward is tackling the issue straight on, by regulating it, to stave off some of that corruption.
By eliminating the current middle-men industry surrounding recruits, the NCAA can actually at least codify and monitor some of this better with the likeness issue.
Or, it can stick its head in the sand.
So what you are saying is that since the police can't catch the guy that keeps robbing me, let's just make robbing me legal and regulated. He's only allowed to rob me on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and he's only allowed to steal $10K at a time.
OP is being a bit of a drama queen This law allows players to have rights to their image and likeness
How exactly is college football going to be ruined ? Because a fortunate few can make money on endorsements?
College football will be fine. Pac 12 just signed a $1 billion dollar 12 year TV contract
Will the country lose their appetite for college football because a select few can now make some bucks?
More than a few if there are boosters willing to shell it out. The demand will not be set by the market value of the student-athlete's likeness and image, but by how much the boosters are willing to pay for his perceived value to the team.
All this does is force the NCAA to develop some rational rules so that players can make money off their likeness.
If they NCAA outright opposes this, it'll be the death of the NCAA.
So let's just enjoy the fact that we are finally going to get another NCAA Football game in the next few years.
The NCAA is far bigger than Nutfyuk Newsom and the State of California.
This is not the way you change things. Supreme Dictator Newsom doesn't believe in any other way.
Players should get some sort of stipend, depending on their background...I have no problem with that.
But they're not pro athletes either, demanding billions a year to take a fyucking knee either. At least not until they get talked into the NFL after their freshman year or later.
If the schools want to talk to the NCAA like adults and work out a compromise? Cool!
But if no, those schools are athletically ineligible for sanctioned events once the law is in effect.
You all seem to think this is isolated to California.
They are just the first. The tide is changing, and everyone who thinks it is a violation of ethics needs to be reminded that billion-dollar sports industries associated with academic schools is already an ethical corruption in itself.
Anyone on Baylor campus can profit from their likeness EXCEPT the student-athletes which is utterly non-sensical. Just because they attend a university should not prevent them from making money on the side.
Regardless of which side of the fence on the likeness issue you are, we all agree that schools directly paying players is wrong (which this law is not about). Yet we don't bat an eye at scholarships which are essentially a regulated form of that.
The NCAA, under the pressure of multiple states, is going to have to make a compromise here in order to preserve its authority as a regulating body. If it doesn't, several states will probably follow suit and essentially do away with the NCAA--thereby fracturing the uniform body and maybe even create an entirely new organization to replace it.
If Nike wants to do a commercial with Jalen Hurts in it and Jalen is the only one who is paid--who cares?
That's where the NCAA needs to step in and set some clearly defined rules and prevent schools from putting their hands where they shouldn't.
It's not the schools that will be the problem, per se. It going to be boosters, companies with ties to schools. It's going to put a HUGE divide between the Ohio St's, Bama's, Texas' etc and the rest of us. That divide is already there and widening. This will make it worse.
You mean the boosters that are already manipulating the system in the recruiting process by hiring people to influence kids in high school? All this might do is cut out the middle men or at least change the middle men to commercial businesses.
Corruption is always going to be there--it's the American way. This law is designed to allow people to make money from their likeness--which they were born with.
Again, this is where the NCAA needs to lean forward and be proactive in regulating the issue if it wants to survive. It's already failed to uphold the same standards for various other penalties and people are questioning its worth. It was designed to protect student athletes yet doesn't seem to advocate for students at all anymore.
So because corruption exists, we shouldn't do anything? If you don't think schools, business etc will pervert this into something, I believe your wrong.
No, what I'm suggesting is that nothing is being done right now with the corruption that exists.
All that can be done going forward is tackling the issue straight on, by regulating it, to stave off some of that corruption.
By eliminating the current middle-men industry surrounding recruits, the NCAA can actually at least codify and monitor some of this better with the likeness issue.
Or, it can stick its head in the sand.
So what you are saying is that since the police can't catch the guy that keeps robbing me, let's just make robbing me legal and regulated. He's only allowed to rob me on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and he's only allowed to steal $10K at a time.
...Yes. You got me! What I'm saying is tantamount to allowing crime to happen. Because defining rules within a system only enables the bad guy, apparently.
This "law" doesn't take effect until 2023. There is no way this "law" is still on the books in 2023. This "law" only is being discussed now to give more attention to California and the fact that they won't even have a chance of getting a football team into the CFP until it expands to 8 teams.
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All that can be done going forward is tackling the issue straight on, by regulating it, to stave off some of that corruption.
By eliminating the current middle-men industry surrounding recruits, the NCAA can actually at least codify and monitor some of this better with the likeness issue.
Or, it can stick its head in the sand.
...Yes. You got me! What I'm saying is tantamount to allowing crime to happen. Because defining rules within a system only enables the bad guy, apparently.
Yep, this is sort of a statement that the entire NCAA model is a failure. They don't enforce their own rules, so what's the point? Everyone is cheating and the athletes are getting scammed because of it.
I know one thing for certain and that's this, the NCAA ads after this are gonna look a whole lot different.
NCAA just needs to hold firm on the idea that, yes, you can make money on your likeness, but no, you can't do so and maintain eligibility at an NCAA institution. Problem solved.
All this does is force the NCAA to develop some rational rules so that players can make money off their likeness.
If they NCAA outright opposes this, it'll be the death of the NCAA.
So let's just enjoy the fact that we are finally going to get another NCAA Football game in the next few years.
The NCAA is far bigger than Nutfyuk Newsom and the State of California.
This is not the way you change things. Supreme Dictator Newsom doesn't believe in any other way.
Players should get some sort of stipend, depending on their background...I have no problem with that.
But they're not pro athletes either, demanding billions a year to take a fyucking knee either. At least not until they get talked into the NFL after their freshman year or later.
If the schools want to talk to the NCAA like adults and work out a compromise? Cool!
But if no, those schools are athletically ineligible for sanctioned events once the law is in effect.
You all seem to think this is isolated to California.
They are just the first. The tide is changing, and everyone who thinks it is a violation of ethics needs to be reminded that billion-dollar sports industries associated with academic schools is already an ethical corruption in itself.
Anyone on Baylor campus can profit from their likeness EXCEPT the student-athletes which is utterly non-sensical. Just because they attend a university should not prevent them from making money on the side.
Regardless of which side of the fence on the likeness issue you are, we all agree that schools directly paying players is wrong (which this law is not about). Yet we don't bat an eye at scholarships which are essentially a regulated form of that.
The NCAA, under the pressure of multiple states, is going to have to make a compromise here in order to preserve its authority as a regulating body. If it doesn't, several states will probably follow suit and essentially do away with the NCAA--thereby fracturing the uniform body and maybe even create an entirely new organization to replace it.
If Nike wants to do a commercial with Jalen Hurts in it and Jalen is the only one who is paid--who cares?
That's where the NCAA needs to step in and set some clearly defined rules and prevent schools from putting their hands where they shouldn't.
It's not the schools that will be the problem, per se. It going to be boosters, companies with ties to schools. It's going to put a HUGE divide between the Ohio St's, Bama's, Texas' etc and the rest of us. That divide is already there and widening. This will make it worse.
You mean the boosters that are already manipulating the system in the recruiting process by hiring people to influence kids in high school? All this might do is cut out the middle men or at least change the middle men to commercial businesses.
Corruption is always going to be there--it's the American way. This law is designed to allow people to make money from their likeness--which they were born with.
Again, this is where the NCAA needs to lean forward and be proactive in regulating the issue if it wants to survive. It's already failed to uphold the same standards for various other penalties and people are questioning its worth. It was designed to protect student athletes yet doesn't seem to advocate for students at all anymore.
So because corruption exists, we shouldn't do anything? If you don't think schools, business etc will pervert this into something, I believe your wrong.
No, what I'm suggesting is that nothing is being done right now with the corruption that exists.
All that can be done going forward is tackling the issue straight on, by regulating it, to stave off some of that corruption.
By eliminating the current middle-men industry surrounding recruits, the NCAA can actually at least codify and monitor some of this better with the likeness issue.
Or, it can stick its head in the sand.
So what you are saying is that since the police can't catch the guy that keeps robbing me, let's just make robbing me legal and regulated. He's only allowed to rob me on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and he's only allowed to steal $10K at a time.
...Yes. You got me! What I'm saying is tantamount to allowing crime to happen. Because defining rules within a system only enables the bad guy, apparently.
You are the one that said it Uncle Joe.
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No, what I'm suggesting is that nothing is being done right now with the corruption that exists.
So your solution is that since nothing is being done about the corruption now, the best solution is just make it so that the corruption is not against the rules, because that is what this change will do.
Wouldn't it be better to work to stop the corruption?
There is a reason why the rules were put in place to begin with. There is a reason why scholarship limitations were enacted. There is a reason why schools had to change their ADs to comply with Title IX. We have been down this road before.
Why do you think we now have huge strength, conditioning and performance staffs? Why do you think we have state-of-the-science nutritional facilities and staffs? Why do you think student-athletes are provided with professional academic support? Why do you think teams travel all over the country by air and stay in first-class hotels? Why do you think universities pay the best coaches so much money? Why do you think that schools have PR-machine staff that touts athletes to award committees and postseason recognition? Why do you think colleges work to get every single one of their teams' contests broadcast? Why do universities build sports palaces, luxurious locker facilities, plush practice venues and give athletes the most advanced medical care? All of that, and a $250,000 education and more, and you think a college football player isn't getting what he's worth on the market?
Do you actually think they are throwing jumbo shrimp parties for the faculty with all that athletic department revenue? Did Baylor's endowment swell with all that money they made last year selling Charlie Brewer and Denzel Mims jerseys? How much money is James Lynch going to make with his picture on a billboard standing next to a new Chevrolet in street clothes?
If there are 10 college athletes in all of America that are worth a plug nickel selling anything without their schools' colors on their backs, that would be a stretch. But, there are a thousand every year that will be hooked into thinking they are worth a fortune. You think there is corruption now, and that kids are being taken advantage of now with all they get? Wait until you cut a bunch of boosters, agents and promoters loose with impunity on these kids. You think a bunch of squealing female soccer players are making noise over equal pay? Wait until the Title IX lawyers start suing schools into bankruptcy, with federal law as their tool.
The biggest issue is they are getting a return for their earnings via a $60k education, thousands of dollars in food, books, clothing and travel, tickets to games for family that alumni and students (via fees) pay a lot for, and a couple thousand dollar stipend each month.
Also if we paid them the non profiting sports wouldn't be able to function. Just because the athletics department brings in millions doesn't mean that's the profit. It's just the revenue.
Also more times than not people cheer for a team for the school not for the athlete. The pros people cheer for an athlete but that doesn't happen in college often.
Lastly regular students who don't get paid to complete research or other projects for the university, who do a lot on their own but have to pay to be at school and for books and housing and clothes and food. It wouldn't be fair for them. Yes I get it life's not fair but all the same.
I'm not disagreeing with that. The money does have to come from somewhere for sure. What I'm saying is athletes get to go for free and not to be that guy but a good portion wouldn't make it into the school based off of raw application, test scores and transcript much the less be on any type of scholarship.
Why should that not be enough for them?? Another question I'm gonna ask is should that non-profitingsports be cut? There wouldn't be enough money for them if we payed players so they'd have to be. Is that a good exchange? 15 sports losing the chance to give a kid an education for 4 sports to pay their players.
Also if we paid them the non profiting sports wouldn't be able to function. Just because the athletics department brings in millions doesn't mean that's the profit. It's just the revenue.
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This law has nothing to do with athletic departments paying the athletes.
Another question I'm gonna ask is should that non-profitingsports be cut? There wouldn't be enough money for them if we payed players so they'd have to be. Is that a good exchange? 15 sports losing the chance to give a kid an education for 4 sports to pay their players.
You're entirely misunderstanding this law. Athletic departments would not pay athletes. It would allow athletes to earn money from their name/ image (doing commercials, signing autographs, etc.)
Part of it would come from athletic departments though evacuate likeness is used on posters, tickets, etc. I do understand the majority of it is outside of the school but you know how the world works now everyone wants everything to be fair and it would create an issue between profiting and not profiting sports.
Part of it would come from athletic departments though evacuate likeness is used on posters, tickets, etc. I do understand the majority of it is outside of the school but you know how the world works now everyone wants everything to be fair and it would create an issue between profiting and not profiting sports.
An AD could easily tell students their image will be used in school promo posters for no pay as a part of being on the team. In any case, your assertion that a school would "cut 15 sports to fund 4" is crazy. Just not at all in the ballpark.
All this does is force the NCAA to develop some rational rules so that players can make money off their likeness.
If they NCAA outright opposes this, it'll be the death of the NCAA.
So let's just enjoy the fact that we are finally going to get another NCAA Football game in the next few years.
The NCAA is far bigger than Nutfyuk Newsom and the State of California.
This is not the way you change things. Supreme Dictator Newsom doesn't believe in any other way.
Players should get some sort of stipend, depending on their background...I have no problem with that.
But they're not pro athletes either, demanding billions a year to take a fyucking knee either. At least not until they get talked into the NFL after their freshman year or later.
If the schools want to talk to the NCAA like adults and work out a compromise? Cool!
But if no, those schools are athletically ineligible for sanctioned events once the law is in effect.
You all seem to think this is isolated to California.
They are just the first. The tide is changing, and everyone who thinks it is a violation of ethics needs to be reminded that billion-dollar sports industries associated with academic schools is already an ethical corruption in itself.
Anyone on Baylor campus can profit from their likeness EXCEPT the student-athletes which is utterly non-sensical. Just because they attend a university should not prevent them from making money on the side.
Regardless of which side of the fence on the likeness issue you are, we all agree that schools directly paying players is wrong (which this law is not about). Yet we don't bat an eye at scholarships which are essentially a regulated form of that.
The NCAA, under the pressure of multiple states, is going to have to make a compromise here in order to preserve its authority as a regulating body. If it doesn't, several states will probably follow suit and essentially do away with the NCAA--thereby fracturing the uniform body and maybe even create an entirely new organization to replace it.
If Nike wants to do a commercial with Jalen Hurts in it and Jalen is the only one who is paid--who cares?
That's where the NCAA needs to step in and set some clearly defined rules and prevent schools from putting their hands where they shouldn't.
It's not the schools that will be the problem, per se. It going to be boosters, companies with ties to schools. It's going to put a HUGE divide between the Ohio St's, Bama's, Texas' etc and the rest of us. That divide is already there and widening. This will make it worse.
You mean the boosters that are already manipulating the system in the recruiting process by hiring people to influence kids in high school? All this might do is cut out the middle men or at least change the middle men to commercial businesses.
Corruption is always going to be there--it's the American way. This law is designed to allow people to make money from their likeness--which they were born with.
Again, this is where the NCAA needs to lean forward and be proactive in regulating the issue if it wants to survive. It's already failed to uphold the same standards for various other penalties and people are questioning its worth. It was designed to protect student athletes yet doesn't seem to advocate for students at all anymore.
So because corruption exists, we shouldn't do anything? If you don't think schools, business etc will pervert this into something, I believe your wrong.
No, what I'm suggesting is that nothing is being done right now with the corruption that exists.
All that can be done going forward is tackling the issue straight on, by regulating it, to stave off some of that corruption.
By eliminating the current middle-men industry surrounding recruits, the NCAA can actually at least codify and monitor some of this better with the likeness issue.
Or, it can stick its head in the sand.
So what you are saying is that since the police can't catch the guy that keeps robbing me, let's just make robbing me legal and regulated. He's only allowed to rob me on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and he's only allowed to steal $10K at a time.
...Yes. You got me! What I'm saying is tantamount to allowing crime to happen. Because defining rules within a system only enables the bad guy, apparently.
You are the one that said it Uncle Joe.
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No, what I'm suggesting is that nothing is being done right now with the corruption that exists.
So your solution is that since nothing is being done about the corruption now, the best solution is just make it so that the corruption is not against the rules, because that is what this change will do.
Wouldn't it be better to work to stop the corruption?
There is a reason why the rules were put in place to begin with. There is a reason why scholarship limitations were enacted. There is a reason why schools had to change their ADs to comply with Title IX. We have been down this road before.
Why do you think we now have huge strength, conditioning and performance staffs? Why do you think we have state-of-the-science nutritional facilities and staffs? Why do you think student-athletes are provided with professional academic support? Why do you think teams travel all over the country by air and stay in first-class hotels? Why do you think universities pay the best coaches so much money? Why do you think that schools have PR-machine staff that touts athletes to award committees and postseason recognition? Why do you think colleges work to get every single one of their teams' contests broadcast? Why do universities build sports palaces, luxurious locker facilities, plush practice venues and give athletes the most advanced medical care? All of that, and a $250,000 education and more, and you think a college football player isn't getting what he's worth on the market?
Do you actually think they are throwing jumbo shrimp parties for the faculty with all that athletic department revenue? Did Baylor's endowment swell with all that money they made last year selling Charlie Brewer and Denzel Mims jerseys? How much money is James Lynch going to make with his picture on a billboard standing next to a new Chevrolet in street clothes?
If there are 10 college athletes in all of America that are worth a plug nickel selling anything without their schools' colors on their backs, that would be a stretch. But, there are a thousand every year that will be hooked into thinking they are worth a fortune. You think there is corruption now, and that kids are being taken advantage of now with all they get? Wait until you cut a bunch of boosters, agents and promoters loose with impunity on these kids. You think a bunch of squealing female soccer players are making noise over equal pay? Wait until the Title IX lawyers start suing schools into bankruptcy, with federal law as their tool.
Malbec, you are completely misreading my post. But I understand how you would be incensed by it since I didn't communicate myself clearly.
What I was trying to say is that corruption simply exists as-is. How boosters cheat in the recruiting realm is already implicitly understood by virtually anyone who pays attention to the CFB industry. It's been a long-standing tradition that is hard for the NCAA to investigate and combat--because the NCAA isn't primarily an organization that creates insider-stings like, say, the FBI. It can only respond to reports of violations.
This likeness issue will not increase corruption, though there certainly may be some innovative inroads for corruption in that specific context.
Let me be clear: It is always better to work to stop corruption.
Now that you know we are on the same page, and not enemies like you appear to make us out to be, going forward the NCAA has a conundrum.
It can either sit and oppose the likeness issue despite it not being a conflict of interest and let a grassroots political movement basically oppose the NCAA's authority, or it has to find rational compromise that enhances players' rights and maintains the NCAA's regulatory power.
The NCAA stance on this issue has been "no" despite plenty of cases that show how stupid it is. Why can't a student athlete have a monetized YouTube account or Instagram? Why can't student athletes pursue income that is completely unrelated to the sport they are performing in? Why can't a student athlete own their own God-given likeness?
EDIT: A final note, anyone who begins a response with "So what you are saying is" "So your solution is" "So you..." is trying to put words into someone else's mouth. It's a common tactic, subconscious or not. Check out Jordan Peterson's interview by Cathy Newman to see that exact same thing at play (I'm not advocating for Jordan Peterson, I just found that video to be a hilarious example of media trying to twist someone's words).
I certainly don't mean to equate a difference of opinion with some notion that I consider us enemies. I fully appreciate your viewpoint, and it is one that has been argued for more than a century in amateur athletics and nearly as long in the colleges. I have been around college athletics since I was a junior high kid chasing coeds around the Baylor campus. I was an SWC official that witnessed first-hand wads of payouts in the SMU locker room to track athletes. I've forgotten more booster corruption that I witnessed than most people can even imagine. And I can tell you this; not everybody does it. Far more coaches in the NCAA are clean than are not.
We've been down the road in college athletics with trying to figure out an incorruptible way to allow student-athletes to earn money, and every attempt has failed. You are probably too young to remember "laundry money" and players being paid to "turn on the sprinklers." You are never going to be able to legislate "market value" for use of a kid's NLI. It's Pandora's Box and it will spill over into the non-revenue sports, and will create a second wave of program dissolutions. It happened in the late 70's and again in the mid-90's and it will happen again when this rolls out. It will snowball through society. As opportunities for athletic scholarships shrink, so will the numbers of kids participating in sports in the high schools, they will have to look for other ways to attend college.
I know that this law sounds egalitarian, but for every athlete that it helps, there will be many more without access to scholarships. I get where you are coming from, but NCAA institutions have spent millions upon millions of dollars to make up for the need to restrict this kind of merchantry. Just compare what Mike Singletary had access to in 1980 to what Clay Johnston has access to in 2019.
If there is a way to do it right, then that needs to be examined. But, the NCAA is looking at a skydive without a parachute if they allow the passage of this act to rush them into changing the model. What they should do is tell California, "Fine. You passed this law. Now you had better come up with a way to implement what you are mandating in a way that is fair to every college and does not incubate corruption, or else your schools will have to go it alone."
I would hope that if it happens there would be something like a trust developed and nothing was paid out unless the following were met:
1. The student/athlete actually graduates from the same university he played for. 2. The funds/payments are paid out over a specific time frame5 years, 10 years, etc. 3. The student/athlete stays clean. No criminal record, no drug convictions, etc. If convicted felon, payments go into a non-profit or back to the University. 4. No funds paid until the athlete has been out of the NFL for a minimum of 5 years or more. 5. If an athlete takes more than 4 years to graduate he must pay the University back for 100% of the hours in excess of 4 years. 6. If athlete has fathered children he must support those kids-child support.
Views from Bobcat Stadium are great, and Bozeman is amazing. Would love to end up there someday (like so many others). Bobcats have had the better of the series as of late too.
