PartyBear said:Your meme can be said of this whole topic that is now a 5 page thread. I just bet they win the rest anyway even without these two players.DioNoZeus said:PartyBear said:
So the two players dont get to play unless it is over ruled on appeal. Is MV High going to win the rest of their games anyway?
There's nothing wrong with saying that you like Briles the coach while simultaneously acknowledging that he's been nothing short of an abject failure as an administrator.Osodecentx said:So now those of us who like Briles have to pile in and answer. Posts like the one you quote doesn't bring the family together.DioNoZeus said:Well saidjbbear said:Funny? Really? It's pathetic. You would think a guy who has been exiled to a sad sack of a place like Mt. Vernon would be paying extra attention to details and doing everything possible to avoid problems and media attention. For a guy who wants to be left alone and just coach, he sure knows how to step in it. Wow. Just wow.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I think it is just amazing that Baylor Football is 5-0 and an Art Briles thread remains at the top of the page of the Baylor Football board. Kinda funny!
C'mon Milli. You know I'm right! Do it!!! I know you want to. See there, you can be silenced.
That will quieten things down and bring alumni togetherDioNoZeus said:
There's nothing wrong with saying that you like Briles the coach while simultaneously acknowledging that he's been nothing short of an abject failure as an administrator.
jbbear said:Funny? Really? It's pathetic. You would think a guy who has been exiled to a sad sack of a place like Mt. Vernon would be paying extra attention to details and doing everything possible to avoid problems and media attention. For a guy who wants to be left alone and just coach, he sure knows how to step in it. Wow. Just wow.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I think it is just amazing that Baylor Football is 5-0 and an Art Briles thread remains at the top of the page of the Baylor Football board. Kinda funny!
C'mon Milli. You know I'm right! Do it!!! I know you want to. See there, you can be silenced.
fadskier said:Just got access to the original article. It will be interesting to see what the SEC decides should they appeal.xiledinok said:fadskier said:The DEC cleared them, then after 5 games, declared them ineligible. Sorry, but the DEC doesn't get to declare what you live in. We have an RV park in the district in which I live that houses full time families.xiledinok said:fadskier said:How did they get busted? What information do you have?xiledinok said:oldbear69 said:so after the first hearing everything is a-0k , players all legal and good to go...then comes the ass kickings and the whiny butt losing coaches go to their superintendents with some "new whistle blower" info and vote no on the players....dmn sends out woodward and bernstein to talk to "unnamed sources", telling them they dont live in the correct mobile home....geez, does all this sound familiar?....who even reads the dmn anymore,,,,rag of a paper, losing circulation and laying off workers....move on, nothing here...hey bear 2.... im the period guy...........bear2be2 said:The fact that there is a second DEC hearing at all makes this a truly unique case, which is why you guys need to stop pretending this is normal. It's not.Dman said:bear2be2 said:Not true. I was giving my opinion based on the facts available and the way such things usually play out. I don't have a preexisting ideology. I am and was content to let Art Briles coach in East Texas obscurity and wouldn't be talking about him at all if not for today's news.Dman said:bear2be2 said:The facts will come out eventually. And when they do, we'll see who's closer to the truth.Dman said:Again. You're the one having to imply a scenario that is impossible to know..to fit your narrative. And NO. Rhule would have done what all college coaches do..he would have waited for the NCAA ruling, and play them the moment they were cleared. In fact, Baylor would have HAMMERED him for getting involved separately within the admissions process.bear2be2 said:What I'm implying is that Rhule would be so on top of the situation that there would be no need for a second DEC hearing. He'd have known all the facts before anyone else did and acted accordingly. Again, you don't have to believe me, but this is how the vast majority of these cases are handled because the stakes of playing ineligible players are so high.Dman said:SATXBear said:
I wish Baylor had a football coach who would win at all costs like Mt. Vernon. Wait a minute, this whole story sounds familiar.
As you kNow I'm a HUGE fan of Rhules..but you're implying Rhule wouldn't play a player that was ruled eligible for transfer from another school by the ncaa? And by playing him he's "winning at all costs"? Interesting position to take. Your opinion. And as we've learned. Everyone is entitled to their own. Cheers.
That there are new facts to be discovered tells me that Briles either A) didn't do his due diligence or B) intentionally overlooked pertinent factors in this case. Given his history, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's probably A. That doesn't make him a bad person, but it certainly makes him an inept administrator.
I'll be the first to crucify Art, when you show us ANYTHING besides your narrative, that he manipulated the DEC hearing that ALL coaches use to determine eligibility.
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See..this is a statement that is factual without narrative. Wait. Let's see the facts. Im absolutely fine with waiting on the facts. If he's guilty. He's guilty. That's how it works when you're not trying to run to a corner to support your pre-existing ideology with just assumptions.
But you were feeding a narrative without facts. You were left to feed the narrative that A) He manipulated the first ruling of eligibility and you'd have to have proof, or B) he should have predicted the future and not played the kids, knowing a second ruling was coming...and wait for that outcome.
But I think you -- and many others here -- are under the false impression that these things are common and strictly procedural. But that is not so. I've covered the same area now for 12 years. It spans a 200 mile radius and roughly 40 11-man schools. We have never in my time here had a school threatened with forfeiture for playing an ineligible player or reprimanded for using an illegal assistant. Those things just don't happen very often, and when they do they're almost always a product of poor oversight/compliance.
I'm not debating the assistant.
You were hanging MOST of your "non-biased" opinion on the eligibility.
Please show me 1....just 1..other high school coach who got a DEC ruling of eligibility, and still benched those kids, because they could predict the future and know another one was coming. Just 1. And I'll walk away. Eligibility Issues happen all the time. The DEC is the authority. They ruled one way. Now they are looking at ruling another way. NONE OF THAT IS ON Briles. Unless he manipulated. So again..you're the expert. Show us 1 coach who ignored the DEC ruling..and benched the kids despite the being ruled eligible by the DEC. 1 is a VERY low bar to clear since this is "how it happens"
And it's not about predicting the future, man. It's about doing the right thing the first time to avoid future surprises. It is the coach's job IMO to know all the circumstances of a player's transfer before playing him in a varsity game. And I think if you asked most high school coaches, they would agree with me. There shouldn't be new facts to discover. Those should have all been determined and reported before the player(s) in question ever stepped foot on the field.
So whether facts were manipulated or Briles was just asleep at the wheel is really irrelevant. Either way, he shares some culpability here. It's his program and he doesn't know what the hell's going on inside of it, which is just way too damn familiar.
They got busted. It makes them come off as a Hee Haw operation. Whose idea was it warehouse the football players in a trailer park? Rootin tootin Texas football coach is not classy!
The UIL DEC declared the players ineligible. They got busted.
Whose idea was it to warehouse high school students at an RV park? What small town derp signed off on that idea? What kind of parents sign off on that moronic thought process and move the kids only into a 3A school?
Do these high school students plan to attend college or just jump directly to NFL? Who thought that idea would be good for the youngster's education? Do they just plan to wash cars in the future after football?
Because the DEC found additional information and took action. This isn't rocket science. They busted Lynx for being a 6th coach as well. It's not very hard to understand.
It has nothing to do with declaring where you live but there are other rules that have to be followed.
They didn't get busted for stupidity but the players living with the assistant coach\ filmmaker makes at an RV park makes them look dumb.
Sometimes the conspiracy theorist at the table needs a reality check, family or otherwise.Osodecentx said:So now those of us who like Briles have to pile in and answer. Posts like the one you quote doesn't bring the family together.DioNoZeus said:Well saidjbbear said:Funny? Really? It's pathetic. You would think a guy who has been exiled to a sad sack of a place like Mt. Vernon would be paying extra attention to details and doing everything possible to avoid problems and media attention. For a guy who wants to be left alone and just coach, he sure knows how to step in it. Wow. Just wow.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I think it is just amazing that Baylor Football is 5-0 and an Art Briles thread remains at the top of the page of the Baylor Football board. Kinda funny!
C'mon Milli. You know I'm right! Do it!!! I know you want to. See there, you can be silenced.
When you leaving this time?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:jbbear said:Funny? Really? It's pathetic. You would think a guy who has been exiled to a sad sack of a place like Mt. Vernon would be paying extra attention to details and doing everything possible to avoid problems and media attention. For a guy who wants to be left alone and just coach, he sure knows how to step in it. Wow. Just wow.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I think it is just amazing that Baylor Football is 5-0 and an Art Briles thread remains at the top of the page of the Baylor Football board. Kinda funny!
C'mon Milli. You know I'm right! Do it!!! I know you want to. See there, you can be silenced.
Yep, FUNNY as Hell!
5-0 Baby!!!! Go Baylor! Go Mount Vernon! Go Matt Rhule! Go Art Briles!
(BOOM! Mean girls minds' blown!!!)
Aggie!Osodecentx said:YesThee University said:At least I can read and comprehend!Osodecentx said:Aikman's school is corrupt? People who volunteer at private schools are corrupt?Thee University said:Most private schools are the most corrupt in the nation.Osodecentx said:
Troy Aikman volunteers as a coach at a private school in DFW.
Or you can't reason your way through a simple logic paradigm?
Did I call out a school? I don't even know Aikman coaches.
Did I say volunteers are corrupt?
CTE!Thee University said:Aggie!Osodecentx said:YesThee University said:At least I can read and comprehend!Osodecentx said:Aikman's school is corrupt? People who volunteer at private schools are corrupt?Thee University said:Most private schools are the most corrupt in the nation.Osodecentx said:
Troy Aikman volunteers as a coach at a private school in DFW.
Or you can't reason your way through a simple logic paradigm?
Did I call out a school? I don't even know Aikman coaches.
Did I say volunteers are corrupt?
Good post and TRUTHTimbear said:
Art never had a recruiting violation at Baylor. He's received 2 letters of exoneration from the BOR. The media has published unproven allegations, and then uses their own accusations as proof to continue their slander, and Fredbear drinks it like koolaid.
No, these are the sort of nonsense posts that will never bring our fan base together.Osodecentx said:Good post and TRUTHTimbear said:
Art never had a recruiting violation at Baylor. He's received 2 letters of exoneration from the BOR. The media has published unproven allegations, and then uses their own accusations as proof to continue their slander, and Fredbear drinks it like koolaid.
It just brings me great joy that you acknowledge you are a mean girl. LOL!!!!!MilliVanilli said:When you leaving this time?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:jbbear said:Funny? Really? It's pathetic. You would think a guy who has been exiled to a sad sack of a place like Mt. Vernon would be paying extra attention to details and doing everything possible to avoid problems and media attention. For a guy who wants to be left alone and just coach, he sure knows how to step in it. Wow. Just wow.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I think it is just amazing that Baylor Football is 5-0 and an Art Briles thread remains at the top of the page of the Baylor Football board. Kinda funny!
C'mon Milli. You know I'm right! Do it!!! I know you want to. See there, you can be silenced.
Yep, FUNNY as Hell!
5-0 Baby!!!! Go Baylor! Go Mount Vernon! Go Matt Rhule! Go Art Briles!
(BOOM! Mean girls minds' blown!!!)
Our minds aren't blown , we know you're a racist drama queen buffoon trolling for Caber High.
You're doing your partDioNoZeus said:No, these are the sort of nonsense posts that will never bring our fan base together.Osodecentx said:Good post and TRUTHTimbear said:
Art never had a recruiting violation at Baylor. He's received 2 letters of exoneration from the BOR. The media has published unproven allegations, and then uses their own accusations as proof to continue their slander, and Fredbear drinks it like koolaid.
That's not enough. He must be stoned to deathDman said:
Let me get this straight. 6 pages of pure speculation by so called experts and all we have is 2 players who were eligible, now aren't eligible..but no game forfeited. So basically a whole lot of nothing. Definitely not a "controversy"...unless you're just trying to find one. He's gone boys...relax.
Good lord...it's football season. We are 5-0. Surely we can let this thread die before game day?!
xiledinok said:
Typical Cab centric story. Like to see the holes these parents fell out of when they make decisions to send their kids to play 3A Texas football and live in an RV park while looking to graduate and prepare themselves for the future.
The kids are early candidates for ditch digging jobs and food stamps.
He knows my nameDman said:xiledinok said:
Typical Cab centric story. Like to see the holes these parents fell out of when they make decisions to send their kids to play 3A Texas football and live in an RV park while looking to graduate and prepare themselves for the future.
The kids are early candidates for ditch digging jobs and food stamps.
4 years. Still OWNED by a guy who doesn't know your name. One day...you'll escape and find your peace. Life is good when not obsessed
WE ARE 5-0 and he is gone. MOVE ON.
Dude, when he gets his NCAA response finished and Baylor can move on, he'll be done on this board. He needs to get it done so he can at least act like he has a chance to coach again in the NCAA.Dman said:xiledinok said:
Typical Cab centric story. Like to see the holes these parents fell out of when they make decisions to send their kids to play 3A Texas football and live in an RV park while looking to graduate and prepare themselves for the future.
The kids are early candidates for ditch digging jobs and food stamps.
4 years. Still OWNED by a guy who doesn't know your name. One day...you'll escape and find your peace. Life is good when not obsessed
WE ARE 5-0 and he is gone. MOVE ON.
When Art figures out he needs to show remorse, perhaps the general public will think he's worthy more than dirt.Osodecentx said:He knows my nameDman said:xiledinok said:
Typical Cab centric story. Like to see the holes these parents fell out of when they make decisions to send their kids to play 3A Texas football and live in an RV park while looking to graduate and prepare themselves for the future.
The kids are early candidates for ditch digging jobs and food stamps.
4 years. Still OWNED by a guy who doesn't know your name. One day...you'll escape and find your peace. Life is good when not obsessed
WE ARE 5-0 and he is gone. MOVE ON.
We'll move on when BOR and Milli apologizes in writing
Some people on this site will apply a different set of rules to Briles just because it's Briles. That guy literally owns several people on this site.Malbec said:So, the DEC clears them to play on the varsity. The coach should then punish them and put them on the JV until he can do an investigation to see if the DEC's decision was wrong?bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
I'm sure your CTE riddled brain thinks that's wit.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:It just brings me great joy that you acknowledge you are a mean girl. LOL!!!!!MilliVanilli said:When you leaving this time?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:jbbear said:Funny? Really? It's pathetic. You would think a guy who has been exiled to a sad sack of a place like Mt. Vernon would be paying extra attention to details and doing everything possible to avoid problems and media attention. For a guy who wants to be left alone and just coach, he sure knows how to step in it. Wow. Just wow.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I think it is just amazing that Baylor Football is 5-0 and an Art Briles thread remains at the top of the page of the Baylor Football board. Kinda funny!
C'mon Milli. You know I'm right! Do it!!! I know you want to. See there, you can be silenced.
Yep, FUNNY as Hell!
5-0 Baby!!!! Go Baylor! Go Mount Vernon! Go Matt Rhule! Go Art Briles!
(BOOM! Mean girls minds' blown!!!)
Our minds aren't blown , we know you're a racist drama queen buffoon trolling for Caber High.
Baylor is 5-0. And you still insist on keeping an Art Briles thread at the top of the page. I think my CTE butt is going to bed. Goodnight mean girl.MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your CTE riddled brain thinks that's wit.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:It just brings me great joy that you acknowledge you are a mean girl. LOL!!!!!MilliVanilli said:When you leaving this time?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:jbbear said:Funny? Really? It's pathetic. You would think a guy who has been exiled to a sad sack of a place like Mt. Vernon would be paying extra attention to details and doing everything possible to avoid problems and media attention. For a guy who wants to be left alone and just coach, he sure knows how to step in it. Wow. Just wow.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I think it is just amazing that Baylor Football is 5-0 and an Art Briles thread remains at the top of the page of the Baylor Football board. Kinda funny!
C'mon Milli. You know I'm right! Do it!!! I know you want to. See there, you can be silenced.
Yep, FUNNY as Hell!
5-0 Baby!!!! Go Baylor! Go Mount Vernon! Go Matt Rhule! Go Art Briles!
(BOOM! Mean girls minds' blown!!!)
Our minds aren't blown , we know you're a racist drama queen buffoon trolling for Caber High.
Meanwhile, you're just an ******* trolling for a disgraced high school coach on a college football forum.
A Caber High troll sulking away.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Baylor is 5-0. And you still insist on keeping an Art Briles thread at the top of the page. I think my CTE butt is going to bed. Goodnight mean girl.MilliVanilli said:I'm sure your CTE riddled brain thinks that's wit.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:It just brings me great joy that you acknowledge you are a mean girl. LOL!!!!!MilliVanilli said:When you leaving this time?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:jbbear said:Funny? Really? It's pathetic. You would think a guy who has been exiled to a sad sack of a place like Mt. Vernon would be paying extra attention to details and doing everything possible to avoid problems and media attention. For a guy who wants to be left alone and just coach, he sure knows how to step in it. Wow. Just wow.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
I think it is just amazing that Baylor Football is 5-0 and an Art Briles thread remains at the top of the page of the Baylor Football board. Kinda funny!
C'mon Milli. You know I'm right! Do it!!! I know you want to. See there, you can be silenced.
Yep, FUNNY as Hell!
5-0 Baby!!!! Go Baylor! Go Mount Vernon! Go Matt Rhule! Go Art Briles!
(BOOM! Mean girls minds' blown!!!)
Our minds aren't blown , we know you're a racist drama queen buffoon trolling for Caber High.
Meanwhile, you're just an ******* trolling for a disgraced high school coach on a college football forum.
ColomboLQ said:
Some people on this site will apply a different set of rules to Briles just because it's Briles. That guy literally owns several people on this site.
I think Briles owns Lynx and his football family. They should change their last name to Briles. He can football them out and then have them pick cotton and wipe his ass when he gets old. He doesn't own anyone outside his football group.ColomboLQ said:Some people on this site will apply a different set of rules to Briles just because it's Briles. That guy literally owns several people on this site.Malbec said:So, the DEC clears them to play on the varsity. The coach should then punish them and put them on the JV until he can do an investigation to see if the DEC's decision was wrong?bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
It amazes me how willing people are to state an opinion or take a side when they don't have a clue about the facts or the rules that apply...Everything that happened here is what happens all the time across Texas when kids transfer...this is a non story other than for the town of Mt Vernon and the district in every other case like this but because CAB is the coach...you have the obsessed ones aiming at his complete destruction chiming in and making it a bigger story than it is.ColomboLQ said:Some people on this site will apply a different set of rules to Briles just because it's Briles. That guy literally owns several people on this site.istrictMalbec said:So, the DEC clears them to play on the varsity. The coach should then punish them and put them on the JV until he can do an investigation to see if the DEC's decision was wrong?bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
Eball said:It amazes me how willing people are to state an opinion or take a side when they don't have a clue about the facts or the rules that apply...Everything that happened here is what happens all the time across Texas when kids transfer...this is a non story other than for the town of Mt Vernon and the district in every other case like this but because CAB is the coach...you have the obsessed ones aiming at his complete destruction chiming in and making it a bigger story than it is.ColomboLQ said:Some people on this site will apply a different set of rules to Briles just because it's Briles. That guy literally owns several people on this site.istrictMalbec said:So, the DEC clears them to play on the varsity. The coach should then punish them and put them on the JV until he can do an investigation to see if the DEC's decision was wrong?bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
"the mechanizations behind these DEC hearings/UIL rulings"bear2be2 said:I'll post whatever the hell I want. Thanks.Dman said:I'm perfectly willing to acknowledge "new facts" may have come up. Unless Briles manipulates the first eligibility ruling in any way, he only has the ruling of the DEC to factor in like everyone else. Therefore your need to say "he was loose" is BS.bear2be2 said:I know you guys are content to believe that everyone is out to get Briles, but reporters I have great trust in have concluded that the most recent decision was the result of factors not brought up or considered during the first DEC hearing. Or in other words, new facts were discovered.Dman said:So briles should have actually ignored the DEC ruling that they were eligible and on his own..investigate the kids to determine they were ineligible. Despite being ruled eligible.bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
Gotcha. You're trying to hard.
What I'm saying is that the coaches I know and respect wouldn't leave the discovery of new facts to chance. They'd already have knowledge of those facts and act accordingly.
The "I'm not saying he's guilty..I'm saying he should have known" is BS. Your saying he's guilty. Show where he manipulated the original hearing....or quit saying what you're "not saying".
And on this particular subject, I can say with almost absolute certainty that I know more than you and 95 percent of others on this board about the way most high school coaches handle these types of cases and the mechanizations behind these DEC hearings/UIL rulings.
The difference between you and me is you are starting at the conclusion that Briles didn't do anything wrong and gathering "facts" to justify that position, while I simply don't give a ***** I'm just calling it like I see it and sharing a unique perspective on this issue because it's one that I have experience with.
I don't have a problem with Briles coaching high school football, and I'm not predisposed in any way to find fault with his post-Baylor actions. Again, I don't give a ***** But what we know here is that Briles played an ineligible player and violated a UIL rule by employing a coach that wasn't a full-time district employee. Those are things that simply don't happen in most well-run programs.
Eball said:It amazes me how willing people are to state an opinion or take a side when they don't have a clue about the facts or the rules that apply...Everything that happened here is what happens all the time across Texas when kids transfer...this is a non story other than for the town of Mt Vernon and the district in every other case like this but because CAB is the coach...you have the obsessed ones aiming at his complete destruction chiming in and making it a bigger story than it is.ColomboLQ said:Some people on this site will apply a different set of rules to Briles just because it's Briles. That guy literally owns several people on this site.istrictMalbec said:So, the DEC clears them to play on the varsity. The coach should then punish them and put them on the JV until he can do an investigation to see if the DEC's decision was wrong?bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
trey3216 said:Eball said:It amazes me how willing people are to state an opinion or take a side when they don't have a clue about the facts or the rules that apply...Everything that happened here is what happens all the time across Texas when kids transfer...this is a non story other than for the town of Mt Vernon and the district in every other case like this but because CAB is the coach...you have the obsessed ones aiming at his complete destruction chiming in and making it a bigger story than it is.ColomboLQ said:Some people on this site will apply a different set of rules to Briles just because it's Briles. That guy literally owns several people on this site.istrictMalbec said:So, the DEC clears them to play on the varsity. The coach should then punish them and put them on the JV until he can do an investigation to see if the DEC's decision was wrong?bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
Predictable response. Sounds like the guy who leaves the bar at closing time with everyone else and he's had 5 beers, gets pulled over and gets a DUI. Then starts barking at the cops that the guy in the car in front of him had 12 beers. You can't ***** and moan when you get caught that everyone's doing it. You're the one that got caught doing it.
When you're under that much scrutiny to begin with, you might take a higher level of precaution.
curtpenn said:"the mechanizations behind these DEC hearings/UIL rulings"bear2be2 said:I'll post whatever the hell I want. Thanks.Dman said:I'm perfectly willing to acknowledge "new facts" may have come up. Unless Briles manipulates the first eligibility ruling in any way, he only has the ruling of the DEC to factor in like everyone else. Therefore your need to say "he was loose" is BS.bear2be2 said:I know you guys are content to believe that everyone is out to get Briles, but reporters I have great trust in have concluded that the most recent decision was the result of factors not brought up or considered during the first DEC hearing. Or in other words, new facts were discovered.Dman said:So briles should have actually ignored the DEC ruling that they were eligible and on his own..investigate the kids to determine they were ineligible. Despite being ruled eligible.bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
Gotcha. You're trying to hard.
What I'm saying is that the coaches I know and respect wouldn't leave the discovery of new facts to chance. They'd already have knowledge of those facts and act accordingly.
The "I'm not saying he's guilty..I'm saying he should have known" is BS. Your saying he's guilty. Show where he manipulated the original hearing....or quit saying what you're "not saying".
And on this particular subject, I can say with almost absolute certainty that I know more than you and 95 percent of others on this board about the way most high school coaches handle these types of cases and the mechanizations behind these DEC hearings/UIL rulings.
The difference between you and me is you are starting at the conclusion that Briles didn't do anything wrong and gathering "facts" to justify that position, while I simply don't give a ***** I'm just calling it like I see it and sharing a unique perspective on this issue because it's one that I have experience with.
I don't have a problem with Briles coaching high school football, and I'm not predisposed in any way to find fault with his post-Baylor actions. Again, I don't give a ***** But what we know here is that Briles played an ineligible player and violated a UIL rule by employing a coach that wasn't a full-time district employee. Those are things that simply don't happen in most well-run programs.
There's your problem. Perhaps less automation is called for in these hearings.
Sorry... can't always control my inner grammar Nazi - lol.
Is it on the kids and parents that Lynx was working as a part time assistant when not employed by the School District, and he was in fact, the family that the students in question came to live near? He's related to the kids through marriage. It's not a good look. That's what I've been saying all along.Eball said:trey3216 said:Eball said:It amazes me how willing people are to state an opinion or take a side when they don't have a clue about the facts or the rules that apply...Everything that happened here is what happens all the time across Texas when kids transfer...this is a non story other than for the town of Mt Vernon and the district in every other case like this but because CAB is the coach...you have the obsessed ones aiming at his complete destruction chiming in and making it a bigger story than it is.ColomboLQ said:Some people on this site will apply a different set of rules to Briles just because it's Briles. That guy literally owns several people on this site.istrictMalbec said:So, the DEC clears them to play on the varsity. The coach should then punish them and put them on the JV until he can do an investigation to see if the DEC's decision was wrong?bear2be2 said:I'm not saying that at all. I'm not accusing Art of recruiting the players. No one is that I'm aware of. What I'm suggesting is he either failed to do his due diligence or intentionally overlooked some pretty big warning signs before putting them on varsity and utilizing their talents, which would follow the exact same pattern that got him in trouble here.Malbec said:Are you actually saying that a coach who had hardly even stepped on the campus before Fall practice orchestrated some illegal transfer of players from across the ocean? Let go of it man.bear2be2 said:Osodecentx said:It isn't Briles decision to allow attendance at MV. If kids live in MV attendance zone, it is a right.bear2be2 said:
This case is a little different in that the kids in question were cleared before being ruled ineligible. But the fact that there were four or five kids that needed DEC hearings should raise flags/eyeballs. That's a huge number in one year for a 3A high school. In Briles' situation, he should be extra cautious when taking on transfers of questionable eligibility. All of the coaches I work with regularly are and they don't have Briles' baggage.
Playing athletics is a limited right. Living in the attendance zone doesn't mean you make the varsity.
The determination as to the motive for the transfer belongs to the DEC. The DEC approved before they disapproved. The vote for disapproval was unanimous, meaning the Mt Vernon rep voted 'no'.
5 transfers wanting to play for a coach seems like a positive for the coach.
It may be a positive for the coach. It's also against UIL rules if that was their primary motivation for transferring. I know CAB fans like to absolve him of all responsibility beyond minimum requirements and what is plausibly deniable. But trust me when I tell you that most head coaches and athletic directors don't have these issues because they take a more proactive approach.
Predictable response. Sounds like the guy who leaves the bar at closing time with everyone else and he's had 5 beers, gets pulled over and gets a DUI. Then starts barking at the cops that the guy in the car in front of him had 12 beers. You can't ***** and moan when you get caught that everyone's doing it. You're the one that got caught doing it.
When you're under that much scrutiny to begin with, you might take a higher level of precaution.
Served on local school board and kids who played UIL sports. Every year kids transfer and their reasons are scrutinized. Every year some are ruled to have transferred for athletic reasons some are not. There appeals filed. It is not on coaches or schools but kids and parents. To move for right reasons and correctly handle paperwork. Coaches really are not involved and only in specific situations where a coach specifically recruits a player is that coach likely to get in trouble. Most of the time it is parents and kids wanting to go to specific programs. You sir are uninformed and full of bias and prejudice. You would make a great candidate to be the leader of a mob that carried out vigilante justice..,,
