Wonder if possibility of pending NCAA sanctions was in back of mind at all?
Rhule to Carolina -- Apparently Confirmed
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Last: 5 yr ago by humdinger05
I think that would be McGuire then.
Carolina does not seem to fit his self described "perfect" scenario it would take to get him to leave Baylor.
They have had a losing records the last two years and do not have a solid quarterback situation. Cam has been hampered by injuries the last few years.
They have had a losing records the last two years and do not have a solid quarterback situation. Cam has been hampered by injuries the last few years.
My goodness Rhoades please hire exciting offense again.
I'm saying it contributed. And, no, the fanbase has not been behind him throughout. Were you not around during year 1? Even year 2 wasn't good enough for fans and support was mediocre early this year. Few people realize how big of a ****show this program was thanks to "Second Chance" Art.CutTheTVoff said:Are you saying the fan base is a reason for his departure? That's just silly. This whole fan base was behind him this year.365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Just look at the posts above you. Or the posts after the first OU loss and the Georgia loss. It's comical. People are quick to call for a coach to get fired, but if one leaves for a BETTER job in the NFL, he's a traitor. Huh?
Jorkel said:PartyBear said:
If USC announced Meyer would not be a candidate for them if they fired Helton, I can't see us looking at him. As much as it would be great, we can't have him as a candidate.
I guess that financial package Baylor was offering to Rhule wasn't the end all be all, or the panthers are shelling out a juicier package.
Baylor wasn't offering Rhule anything additional, he signed a new deal two months ago reportedly. If posters here are correct about things, Baylor is about to get a large deposit perhaps as early as later today or tomorrow
I said this in another thread....I'm thankful he came here in our time of need, We were a dumpster fire and in a few years he had us in the top 10. Well done Matt Rhule. It's a shame his departure constantly hung over the program but I'm happy we had him for the time we did. It appears Rhodes did everything he could to try to keep him. Where do we go from here? Rhodes is going to be earning his money with this next hire.
Rhule was never gonna stay here nor anywhere else more than 3-5 years. That's just who he is, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's just how some people are wired. There is nothing Baylor fans or donors could have done to change it, so no reason to blame them.
365 said:I'm saying it contributed. And, no, the fanbase has not been behind him throughout. Were you not around during year 1? Even year 2 wasn't good enough for fans and support was mediocre early this year. Few people realize how big of a ****show this program was thanks to "Second Chance" Art.CutTheTVoff said:Are you saying the fan base is a reason for his departure? That's just silly. This whole fan base was behind him this year.365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Just look at the posts above you. Or the posts after the first OU loss and the Georgia loss. It's comical. People are quick to call for a coach to get fired, but if one leaves for a BETTER job in the NFL, he's a traitor. Huh?
I doubt that had anything to do with his decision making. All coaches have to deal with a segment of negativity in their fan bases....hell even volunteer Little League coaches do.
That part won't be any easier at the NFL level. I don't think that was part of his decision making.
Matt obviously had NFL ambitions. Money wasn't the issue ever.
The Carolina Panthers had their man and got to interview first. I suspect you don't make the kind of scratch that enables you to own an NFL franchise without being able to make a deal. The owner had his guy and knew that he'd lose him if he got on the plane to interview with the Giants. He opened up the book and asked Matt what it would take to make a deal today.
I won't sugarcoat it. Matt Rhule was a freaking gift to Baylor when the future looked bleak. I mean, sell the stadium and fold up the mats bleak. His leaving hurts. He'll be hard to replace.
This, though, is the football business. It isn't football friends. Baylor had football, and a proud tradition, before Rhule's arrival. We'll have one after he leaves. Shake hands, be a man, wish him well, and go find another coach.
The Carolina Panthers had their man and got to interview first. I suspect you don't make the kind of scratch that enables you to own an NFL franchise without being able to make a deal. The owner had his guy and knew that he'd lose him if he got on the plane to interview with the Giants. He opened up the book and asked Matt what it would take to make a deal today.
I won't sugarcoat it. Matt Rhule was a freaking gift to Baylor when the future looked bleak. I mean, sell the stadium and fold up the mats bleak. His leaving hurts. He'll be hard to replace.
This, though, is the football business. It isn't football friends. Baylor had football, and a proud tradition, before Rhule's arrival. We'll have one after he leaves. Shake hands, be a man, wish him well, and go find another coach.
I never called for Rhule to be fired. Not in Year 1. Not in Year 2. I certainly criticized our offense regressing in Year 3 but that is just honest evaluation.365 said:I'm saying it contributed. And, no, the fanbase has not been behind him throughout. Were you not around during year 1? Even year 2 wasn't good enough for fans and support was mediocre early this year. Few people realize how big of a ****show this program was thanks to "Second Chance" Art.CutTheTVoff said:Are you saying the fan base is a reason for his departure? That's just silly. This whole fan base was behind him this year.365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Just look at the posts above you. Or the posts after the first OU loss and the Georgia loss. It's comical. People are quick to call for a coach to get fired, but if one leaves for a BETTER job in the NFL, he's a traitor. Huh?
He did a song and dance with Baylor for 3 years. Clearly, the NFL was always his target. Spent 3 years at Temple. 3 years at Baylor. Viewed us as a stepping stone and nothing else. He doesn't have my respect or animosity. Fine with him leaving if he doesn't want to be here. Especially with what we were paying him.
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Rhodes is going to be earning his money with this next hire.
Rhodes better earn his money with this next hire. He just got a big raise too.
Illigitimus non carborundum
365 said:I'm saying it contributed. And, no, the fanbase has not been behind him throughout. Were you not around during year 1? Even year 2 wasn't good enough for fans and support was mediocre early this year. Few people realize how big of a ****show this program was thanks to "Second Chance" Art.CutTheTVoff said:Are you saying the fan base is a reason for his departure? That's just silly. This whole fan base was behind him this year.365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Just look at the posts above you. Or the posts after the first OU loss and the Georgia loss. It's comical. People are quick to call for a coach to get fired, but if one leaves for a BETTER job in the NFL, he's a traitor. Huh?
The Baylor fan base is very kind compared to any NFL fan base. The Panthers fired a guy who took the SuperBowling just 3 or so years ago.
Matt Rhule did what he was hired here to do -- cleaned up the culture, changed the national narrative on our program and got us back on firm footing competitively.
It sucks that he was only here three years, but he was the perfect man for the job for those three years.
Now it's time to find the next right guy.
It sucks that he was only here three years, but he was the perfect man for the job for those three years.
Now it's time to find the next right guy.
Yep. Even in the last month or two, Rhule went on with smoaky to express his frustrations with portions of the Baylor fanbase.365 said:I'm saying it contributed. And, no, the fanbase has not been behind him throughout. Were you not around during year 1? Even year 2 wasn't good enough for fans and support was mediocre early this year. Few people realize how big of a ****show this program was thanks to "Second Chance" Art.CutTheTVoff said:Are you saying the fan base is a reason for his departure? That's just silly. This whole fan base was behind him this year.365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Just look at the posts above you. Or the posts after the first OU loss and the Georgia loss. It's comical. People are quick to call for a coach to get fired, but if one leaves for a BETTER job in the NFL, he's a traitor. Huh?
CorsicanaBear said:Quote:
Rhodes is going to be earning his money with this next hire.
Rhodes better earn his money with this next hire. He just got a big raise too.
Rhoades was making 2.5 million in 17 according to that 17 tax return posted. That has to be among the highest paid AD money.
good for him and his family. big time move. make sure as part of the buy out he has to take jeff nixon with him.
Or any big state school fan base. Imagine going 1-11 (regardless of circumstances) in your first year at UT (or any other Enormous State U).Quote:
The Baylor fan base is very kind compared to any NFL fan base.
Illigitimus non carborundum
365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Seems to me the constant sh*t was self-inflicted.
I agree with above poster, let's throw the bank at Urban M. We need to be big enough to look past his baggage, it can be a mutually beneficial arrangement. Only problem, would he leave for a bigger job once he was here and succeeding
So will our recruits bail?
This is the truth, Tulip. Couldn't have said it better myself.Mr Tulip said:
Matt obviously had NFL ambitions. Money wasn't the issue ever.
The Carolina Panthers had their man and got to interview first. I suspect you don't make the kind of scratch that enables you to own an NFL franchise without being able to make a deal. The owner had his guy and knew that he'd lose him if he got on the plane to interview with the Giants. He opened up the book and asked Matt what it would take to make a deal today.
I won't sugarcoat it. Matt Rhule was a freaking gift to Baylor when the future looked bleak. I mean, sell the stadium and fold up the mats bleak. His leaving hurts. He'll be hard to replace.
This, though, is the football business. It isn't football friends. Baylor had football, and a proud tradition, before Rhule's arrival. We'll have one after he leaves. Shake hands, be a man, wish him well, and go find another coach.
Hopefully, the Nancies here will take heed to your "be a man, wish him well"....but I doubt it.
Agreed, except now there is no firm footing. There will be a fallout and it will take another 3 years to be competitive again.bear2be2 said:
Matt Rhule did what he was hired here to do -- cleaned up the culture, changed the national narrative on our program and got us back on firm footing competitively.
It sucks that he was only here three years, but he was the perfect man for the job for those three years.
Now it's time to find the next right guy.
Agreed... but, we're in better shape than when Briles was fired.Doc Holliday said:Agreed, except now there is no firm footing. There will be a fallout and it will take another 3 years to be competitive again.bear2be2 said:
Matt Rhule did what he was hired here to do -- cleaned up the culture, changed the national narrative on our program and got us back on firm footing competitively.
It sucks that he was only here three years, but he was the perfect man for the job for those three years.
Now it's time to find the next right guy.
365 said:I'm saying it contributed. And, no, the fanbase has not been behind him throughout. Were you not around during year 1? Even year 2 wasn't good enough for fans and support was mediocre early this year. Few people realize how big of a ****show this program was thanks to "Second Chance" Art.CutTheTVoff said:Are you saying the fan base is a reason for his departure? That's just silly. This whole fan base was behind him this year.365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Just look at the posts above you. Or the posts after the first OU loss and the Georgia loss. It's comical. People are quick to call for a coach to get fired, but if one leaves for a BETTER job in the NFL, he's a traitor. Huh?
Lol if you think any NFL team will welcome you with open arms going under .500 your first season. It makes our fan base look minuscule.
ValpoCory said:Yep. Even in the last month or two, Rhule went on with smoaky to express his frustrations with portions of the Baylor fanbase.365 said:I'm saying it contributed. And, no, the fanbase has not been behind him throughout. Were you not around during year 1? Even year 2 wasn't good enough for fans and support was mediocre early this year. Few people realize how big of a ****show this program was thanks to "Second Chance" Art.CutTheTVoff said:Are you saying the fan base is a reason for his departure? That's just silly. This whole fan base was behind him this year.365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Just look at the posts above you. Or the posts after the first OU loss and the Georgia loss. It's comical. People are quick to call for a coach to get fired, but if one leaves for a BETTER job in the NFL, he's a traitor. Huh?
Wait till he gets to the nfl
DanaDane said:
Rhule was never gonna stay here nor anywhere else more than 3-5 years. That's just who he is, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's just how some people are wired. There is nothing Baylor fans or donors could have done to change it, so no reason to blame them.
Do you think in his interview he told Rhoades, "I'm a 3 year guy"?
Charlotte will give the Rhule family a quality of life they simply would not have in New York. Its a beautiful and approachable "smaller" city slightly larger than Austin, near the mountains and not quite yet infected with the terrible leftists that infest Austin.
Illigitimus non carborundum
Serious question. I know the circumstances are different but given there is an early signing period now what do you think BU will do?
Release or not release? Before you claim this is a dumb question.... well many of us thought it was a dumb question last time around too but players did get releases. Different circumstances but still...
I think they will NOT release any player from their signed LOI, but what if a player asks for a release and kind of makes a big deal about it?
Release or not release? Before you claim this is a dumb question.... well many of us thought it was a dumb question last time around too but players did get releases. Different circumstances but still...
I think they will NOT release any player from their signed LOI, but what if a player asks for a release and kind of makes a big deal about it?
If we follow our custom, we'll go ahead and release the ones that just signed.CutTheTVoff said:
So will our recruits bail?
Stranger said:365 said:
Can't blame him. A large portion of our fanbase gave him constant **** regardless of how much the team improved. Hilarious that people legitimately believed that NFL teams couldn't compete with Baylor financially. Shows the depth of delusion from our brightest #TruthDontLie scholars.
Also makes sense since Rhule know McGuire is getting a HCing job out of it, so he's setting up others for success. Hopefully we can get a solid OC. That will be the key hire.
Seems to me the constant sh*t was self-inflicted.
It probably would seem that way to a chief **** flinger like yourself.
CutTheTVoff said:DanaDane said:
Rhule was never gonna stay here nor anywhere else more than 3-5 years. That's just who he is, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's just how some people are wired. There is nothing Baylor fans or donors could have done to change it, so no reason to blame them.
Do you think in his interview he told Rhoades, "I'm a 3 year guy"?
Spot on. Is there anyone who believes that after Mack and his search and interview team made their offer to Rhule, and he gave them his yes, they high-fived each other and said, "Yes!! We've got our new coach for the next 1 to 3 years!"
Some have said anyone would be looking for opportunities to better their life and job, and take care of their family, but this is not the equivalent of a low or mid-level employee or manager looking to increase their annual income by $10K -$20K, so they can really get a good scald on the kid's college fund. Will an extra one or two million dollars really make the difference in "taking care of the family" over the millions you're currently making? Seems like it's more about ambition, dreams, and desire than dollars.
However, I don't think there's any corporation in the real business world, who hires a new CEO, the face of their brand, and then pays him one of the top 5 - 10 salaries in the nation in that sector to recruit the very best talent available nationwide, and lead the company to the absolute highest in return on investment, stated as a goal to annually be in the top five in the country, and then allows him to openly and publicly flirt with competitors for a better opportunity. All the while professing the sense of a calling to his current position, love for his current employer, and commitment to the process of his vision to annually provide that top five finish nationally, yet simultaneously from year one showing an almost obsessive level of interest in the possibility of leaving for a different position in the most public of ways, garnering repeated national headlines which do absolutely nothing to advance his current company, or encourage potential talent to feel the confidence and commitment in his leadership to cause them to completely buy in.
Year one, possibly a fluke, and maybe not his fault. Year two, the national press reports that he would have been gone had the suitor agreed to his demand to pick his own senior staff. Clearly more than a one-off. Year three, now identified in the national press on a daily basis as a leading candidate for multiple competitors, and it's now a seemingly consuming goal., which literally robbed his employer, and the team that achieved remarkable results, of the full focus on the rewards of those achievements, which only twelve teams can enjoy each year.
And, his answer to the internal concerns over the net effects of his actions from year to year is that he's teaching his team to be men through his honesty. What corporation would accept that as a viable response or justification, especially when, as part of that adult honesty, he's advising individuals within the team to do the same on their level? Was he hired to facilitate maturation through honesty about an absence of long-term commitment and loyalty to the brand, by being open and honest about it?
At some point, it's no longer an issue of how Rhule's treating Baylor, but instead becomes an issue of how Baylor allows itself to be treated by Rhule. I honestly can't think of any reversal or assurances of his return and commitment that would have been believable to the majority of us, and I was really in his corner. It comes down to what we learned as little kids - actions speak louder than words.
ChamberC said:Agreed... but, we're in better shape than when Briles was fired.Doc Holliday said:Agreed, except now there is no firm footing. There will be a fallout and it will take another 3 years to be competitive again.bear2be2 said:
Matt Rhule did what he was hired here to do -- cleaned up the culture, changed the national narrative on our program and got us back on firm footing competitively.
It sucks that he was only here three years, but he was the perfect man for the job for those three years.
Now it's time to find the next right guy.
Actually we aren't it was the fallout from that that put us in bad shape. The fallout from this has not started. Hopefully there will not be fallout.
Hire Garrett!
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