Also, the The Athletic has an analyst with excellent pie chart talent.CNC said:
To summarize, Aggie sold out. Got more blue chips but live at 6-6 or 7-5.
But at the same time they went from being behind Oklahoma to destroying them in the state of TX.LTbear said:
Aggy's uptick in blue chips is due to Texas being down more than the SEC. The first period of measurement was at the tail end of one of UT's most successful decades ever, and they'd played for two national titles in a four year span. The later period is after UT has been stuck in mediocrity for quite some time.
gobears20 said:
boognish_bear said:
This is correct. There are too many uncontrolled variables to extrapolate that A&M's moved caused this change. Look at Ole Miss. Was it because of A&M's move to SEC, or was it that Hugh Freeze was paying players. Ole Miss paying players made it better which made it more attractive to players.PartyBear said:
I'm not sure this is really showing a cause in fact type of causal connection. I think there are multiple causing factors to the shift from the years in the first graph to the years in the second graph.
RightRevBear said:This is correct. There are too many uncontrolled variables to extrapolate that A&M's moved caused this change. Look at Ole Miss. Was it because of A&M's move to SEC, or was it that Hugh Freeze was paying players. Ole Miss paying players made it better which made it more attractive to players.PartyBear said:
I'm not sure this is really showing a cause in fact type of causal connection. I think there are multiple causing factors to the shift from the years in the first graph to the years in the second graph.
Someone else pointed out UT's struggles as a cause.
It is bad journalism and logic to conclude that this data says A&M caused this shift, but it is Pro-SEC journalism at its finest.
Similar in some ways.Chuckroast said:
Looking at it from an A&M perspective, the SEC west with only 7 teams has 3 teams that have combined to win 8 out of last 14 national championships. Measuring the strength of their program in the two eras is difficult to gauge because their record in the Big 12 vs their time in the SEC is not an apples to apples comparison.
SMack said:
Apparently, A&M moving to the SEC caused our recruiting to get better, and Tech's to get worse.
Yes, you're probably right.Baylorbears111 said:SMack said:
Apparently, A&M moving to the SEC caused our recruiting to get better, and Tech's to get worse.
Tech suffered most with TCU's arrival and Baylor's ascent.
Redbrickbear said:Similar in some ways.Chuckroast said:
Looking at it from an A&M perspective, the SEC west with only 7 teams has 3 teams that have combined to win 8 out of last 14 national championships. Measuring the strength of their program in the two eras is difficult to gauge because their record in the Big 12 vs their time in the SEC is not an apples to apples comparison.
OU and Texas dominated the Big 12 South football wise...Bama, LSU, and some times Auburn dominate the SEC west.
I think the prestige of the SEC football brand has helped aggy recruit better players. But with the top SEC football teams still whipping aggy it has left them in an almost identical place record wise.
I will say this aggy sure does not seem to mind getting beat by Bama, LSU, Auburn, UGa, and Florida.
Yet, they absolutely hated getting beat by UT, OU, Texas Tech, Okie State, and Kansas St.
You would have to crawl deep into the aggy subconscious to find out why that is...
osogreen said:
As an Aggie client recently told me:
"We went to the SEC to swim in a bigger pond. I'm getting really tired of just treading water."
Just like Tech killed TCU/SMU when they were mistakenly admitted to the SWC in 1960. The dilution of talent in this state is a killer with five P5 schools.Baylorbears111 said:SMack said:
Apparently, A&M moving to the SEC caused our recruiting to get better, and Tech's to get worse.
Tech suffered most with TCU's arrival and Baylor's ascent.
The SEC has prestige in football thanks to 4 schools...Bama, LSU, Auburn, and Florida.Crap in the woods bear said:osogreen said:
As an Aggie client recently told me:
"We went to the SEC to swim in a bigger pond. I'm getting really tired of just treading water."
All that said, if I had to choose between being in a more prestigious league, one that we know will still be in existence a decade from now or according to you all continued to languish in the big 12, I'll take the SEC every time.
It would be interesting if they did take the next step, but anything less than a top 2 finish in the SEC West leaves Texas A&M where they've always been, and, given their schedule includes @Mike Leach's MSU, @Auburn, @Alabama, LSU, and Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss, it seems unlikely that Texas A&M will reach that mark.TeamPlayer said:
Hey, I enjoy kicking A&M right now too, but I'm afraid we are going to see them take the next step in 2020. If you think their "former students" are annoying now, wait until they win the SEC. It might make me move out of Texas again.
Aberzombie1892 said:It would be interesting if they did take the next step, but anything less than a top 2 finish in the SEC West leaves Texas A&M where they've always been, and, given their schedule includes @Mike Leach's MSU, @Auburn, @Alabama, LSU, and Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss, it seems unlikely that Texas A&M will reach that mark.TeamPlayer said:
Hey, I enjoy kicking A&M right now too, but I'm afraid we are going to see them take the next step in 2020. If you think their "former students" are annoying now, wait until they win the SEC. It might make me move out of Texas again.
A&M virtually always loses more games than it is expected to. It was true before the change to the SEC, it was true under Sumlin, and it's been true so far under Fisher, so there is no real reason to expect otherwise at this point.Wapiti said:Aberzombie1892 said:It would be interesting if they did take the next step, but anything less than a top 2 finish in the SEC West leaves Texas A&M where they've always been, and, given their schedule includes @Mike Leach's MSU, @Auburn, @Alabama, LSU, and Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss, it seems unlikely that Texas A&M will reach that mark.TeamPlayer said:
Hey, I enjoy kicking A&M right now too, but I'm afraid we are going to see them take the next step in 2020. If you think their "former students" are annoying now, wait until they win the SEC. It might make me move out of Texas again.
Tall order for A$M to beat Bama, LSU, AU. The rest of the West of just bad to mediocre at best. New coaches at Ole Miss, Miss, Arkanas won't change that.
They really didn't this past year. Lost all 5 games they had virtually no chance in (LSU/Bama/Clemson/UGA/Auburn). Won their 6 patsies that will still be patsies in 2020 (Ark/SC/Ole Miss/3 pushover noncons). Managed to win both of their only games against evenly matched competition (MissSt/OkSt).Aberzombie1892 said:A&M virtually always loses more games than it is expected to. It was true before the change to the SEC, it was true under Sumlin, and it's been true so far under Fisher, so there is no real reason to expect otherwise at this point.Wapiti said:Aberzombie1892 said:It would be interesting if they did take the next step, but anything less than a top 2 finish in the SEC West leaves Texas A&M where they've always been, and, given their schedule includes @Mike Leach's MSU, @Auburn, @Alabama, LSU, and Lane Kiffin's Ole Miss, it seems unlikely that Texas A&M will reach that mark.TeamPlayer said:
Hey, I enjoy kicking A&M right now too, but I'm afraid we are going to see them take the next step in 2020. If you think their "former students" are annoying now, wait until they win the SEC. It might make me move out of Texas again.
Tall order for A$M to beat Bama, LSU, AU. The rest of the West of just bad to mediocre at best. New coaches at Ole Miss, Miss, Arkanas won't change that.