TellMeYouLoveMe said:
i respect the right of coaches to clean house when they take a new job and I would absolutely do the same. In the business world, that's the norm. Loyalty matters. It was one of the reasons why Rhule won games in Year 3. Pure and simple.
But this is the blowback of the doublespeak when you make it sound like you want someone on your squad in public and then privately do something else.
These guys will learn, but I doubt many here are shocked.
I'm a huge Cam Newton fan, but there is a great deal of entitlement in pro athletes that have signed the very lucrative deals. Granted they did earn it, they did work hard, but as a customer, I want to see the players that are playing to earn it, that's more exciting to me. Not to take any money away from anyone, they deserve cash. But he would have been wise to negotiate more hard ball with the Panthers. Goes to show agents in the sports biz are slow to react. Cam should have put the pressure on management from day 1.boognish_bear said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:
i respect the right of coaches to clean house when they take a new job and I would absolutely do the same. In the business world, that's the norm. Loyalty matters. It was one of the reasons why Rhule won games in Year 3. Pure and simple.
But this is the blowback of the doublespeak when you make it sound like you want someone on your squad in public and then privately do something else.
These guys will learn, but I doubt many here are shocked.
Agree. I have never been a fan of Cam and I'm not surprised Rhule wants a fresh start with him out of the locker room.
He should've been more generic about him in his comments a few weeks ago.
Doc Holliday said:
Why does Cam Newton use character/fonts like a 13 year old girl?
boognish_bear said:
Things are getting kind of ugly with Cam. Some people are upset that just 2 weeks ago Rhule was saying he definitely wanted Cam on the Panthers.
There was a lot of underlying frustration with Cam and the players on his team the past year. He was never going to be the Carolina QB again, even if Rivera had not been fired.TellMeYouLoveMe said:I'm a huge Cam Newton fan, but there is a great deal of entitlement in pro athletes that have signed the very lucrative deals. Granted they did earn it, they did work hard, but as a customer, I want to see the players that are playing to earn it, that's more exciting to me. Not to take any money away from anyone, they deserve cash. But he would have been wise to negotiate more hard ball with the Panthers. Goes to show agents in the sports biz are slow to react. Cam should have put the pressure on management from day 1.boognish_bear said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:
i respect the right of coaches to clean house when they take a new job and I would absolutely do the same. In the business world, that's the norm. Loyalty matters. It was one of the reasons why Rhule won games in Year 3. Pure and simple.
But this is the blowback of the doublespeak when you make it sound like you want someone on your squad in public and then privately do something else.
These guys will learn, but I doubt many here are shocked.
Agree. I have never been a fan of Cam and I'm not surprised Rhule wants a fresh start with him out of the locker room.
He should've been more generic about him in his comments a few weeks ago.
What Matt may learn the hard way though is that it's not what Cam Newton thinks about this deal, it's what the other players in the locker room think about this deal. Who do you think the players will believe in this? Cam Newton. And that goes for the owner, too.
Hedge fund people think it's all bottom line numbers, but winning in team sports comes from culture. You won't cut everyone and it work out. A younger more talented player isn't always around the corner....
Took me a while to believe you, but this is certainly another example.BUbackerinET said:
Can't locate the posts, but I predicted this, and am not surprised. No room for those 2 egos on the same team. His fate was set when Rhule was hired. Solidified when Rhule said he wanted him (have said before, and gotten blasted on this board for suggesting it, but Rhule IS NOT a man of his word, and IMO, he is dishonest). Don't be surprised if he gets traded to Cincinnati with another quality player for that first round pick - just my opinion...
BUbackerinET said:
Can't locate the posts, but I predicted this, and am not surprised. No room for those 2 egos on the same team. His fate was set when Rhule was hired. Solidified when Rhule said he wanted him (have said before, and gotten blasted on this board for suggesting it, but Rhule IS NOT a man of his word, and IMO, he is dishonest). Don't be surprised if he gets traded to Cincinnati with another quality player for that first round pick - just my opinion...
trey3216 said:BUbackerinET said:
Can't locate the posts, but I predicted this, and am not surprised. No room for those 2 egos on the same team. His fate was set when Rhule was hired. Solidified when Rhule said he wanted him (have said before, and gotten blasted on this board for suggesting it, but Rhule IS NOT a man of his word, and IMO, he is dishonest). Don't be surprised if he gets traded to Cincinnati with another quality player for that first round pick - just my opinion...
I know some of y'all hate Rhule, but Cam Newton's fate was set well before Rhule was hired. He didn't start the latter half of last year even when he was healthy enough to come back. Then that coach got fired. Cam was never going to be the Carolina QB again if Ron Rivera were still the coach, or Matt Rhule or Jesus. It wasn't happening.
"They are who we thought they were." Goes for both sides here.tommie said:trey3216 said:BUbackerinET said:
Can't locate the posts, but I predicted this, and am not surprised. No room for those 2 egos on the same team. His fate was set when Rhule was hired. Solidified when Rhule said he wanted him (have said before, and gotten blasted on this board for suggesting it, but Rhule IS NOT a man of his word, and IMO, he is dishonest). Don't be surprised if he gets traded to Cincinnati with another quality player for that first round pick - just my opinion...
I know some of y'all hate Rhule, but Cam Newton's fate was set well before Rhule was hired. He didn't start the latter half of last year even when he was healthy enough to come back. Then that coach got fired. Cam was never going to be the Carolina QB again if Ron Rivera were still the coach, or Matt Rhule or Jesus. It wasn't happening.
They say the best ability is availability. Cam is lovable if he's winning. If he's not winning? He's a guy who dresses like a clown.
BUbackerinET said:
Then he never should have said Cam would be the QB going forward. HE SAID HE WOULD BE THE QB, and he lied. I don't even like Cam Newton, and am certainly no defender of disruptive conduct in the locker room, but RHULE said he would be the QB - his words. My comments are not about Cam, they are about Rhule, who has shown himself not to be true to his words, and therefore not a truthful individual, and not one who can be trusted.
He wasn't there but for a semester was he? All he had to do was show up play football and go to class learning to color in the lines and he was fine. The coach and SID told him when to talk to the media and controlled it. He and his agent now control the media contacts and put out what they want to put out.witchmo said:
I don't think he's a liar at all...but he is a master at coach-speak and a master politician, which is to say deception. He probably would like Cam to stay, initially, but put the pressure on him to be a "team player" and not the coach. Newton wasn't going to do that for a minute. In retrospect, it is surprising that he had the success he had with War Eagle without blowing up the program internally. Ruhle isn't going to let a player disrupt his "kingdom"...that's the way it should be. this episode was a classic game of egos and Cam met his match. Reckon he was disappointed to wake up and realize he wasn't the Prince of Carolina? It will be interesting to see if any other team decides he's worth the risk, coming off injury and all.