Timbear said:

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We can be on the Aranda train, if the O improves, and still be upset at what happened to Art.

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Agreed.

I really like Aranda. I think with a normal non covid year, he's going to be much more impressive than Rhule.

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You don't pay a guilty man $15M.

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Why not? Texas is about to pay Herman $25M and he has had fewer black eyes than Art got and gave Baylor.

He should have been paid a free dinner at K-Mart snack bar instead.

How much of that $15M went to establish a fund for sexual assault victims, legal fees for all the players who were drug through the mud or any other worthy cause to help repair his reputation?

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PartyBear said:

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Old news actually. This has all been known almost since 2016 as well.

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And false news at that.

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Dennis Wyles? Did you cry out to God, Pastor? Or at least run out to the press and tell people that you did? I've seen how you behave on the other board. Quite a representative of the cloth.

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Dennis became a distraction, also. His comments were honest and sincere but in the moment, they did not play well. I recall he and Neal were together in this interview.

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His comments were self interested and harmful to the University, exactly the opposite of what a fiduciary should be doing.

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No argument with the fiduciary perspective in any way. But these guys were not speaking deceitfully IMO. AS you noted, there needed to be an educational process to prepare one for serving on such a board.

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Robert Wilson said:

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witchmo said:

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Old news actually. This has all been known almost since 2016 as well.

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And false news at that.

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Dennis Wyles? Did you cry out to God, Pastor? Or at least run out to the press and tell people that you did? I've seen how you behave on the other board. Quite a representative of the cloth.

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Dennis became a distraction, also. His comments were honest and sincere but in the moment, they did not play well. I recall he and Neal were together in this interview.

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His comments were self interested and harmful to the University, exactly the opposite of what a fiduciary should be doing.

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No argument with the fiduciary perspective in any way. But these guys were not speaking deceitfully IMO. AS you noted, there needed to be an educational process to prepare one for serving on such a board.

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I am in no position to evaluate the man's candor. I also do not find it to be particularly relevant. He had absolutely no business giving that interview and saying the things that he said. There were so many moments surrounding that entire process that just screamed amateur hour it blew my mind..

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https://www.outkick.com/baylor-used-a-racist-smear-of-black-football-players-to-cancel-art-briles/


BOR is sick.

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This is an old unsubstantiated charge.

There was no proof of it when it was made years ago and there's no proof of it now.

Outkick is trying to revise history.

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You have flipped the burden of proof, as if it was on the coaches and players. Nice try.

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Racism was the allegation, which was made with no proof.

If your alleging racism, you have to prove it.

Besides, you and others STILL don't understand why Briles was fired. The main reason why he was fired was his mishandling of Title IX complaints. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.

It doesn't matter than only one player was convicted.

It doesn't matter that many of the charges may have been false.

These are red herrings.

What matters is that complaints weren't properly handled. If you go back and read the PH report, that's what you find.

What matters is that the university as a whole didn't handle these complaints properly.

If we hadn't fired Briles, we would be enjoying an NCAA death penalty right now.

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The allegations were made by the people who publicly smeared Briles, the coaching staff, and our team. Bizarrely, those people included our own BOR. What a dysfunctional organization.

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From the Article:

Cannon asked [Former Baylor BOR Chair Ron] Murff if Briles ever broke any rules or violated a university procedure when it came to his handling and reporting of assault allegations.
"No sir, not that I'm aware of," Murff said.
Cannon asked if Briles had concealed any information regarding sexual or domestic assaults by his players.
"No sir, not that I'm aware of," Murff said.

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So Murff swears under oath that to his knowledge Briles never broke any rules or university procedures when it came to handling and reporting assault or sexual assault allegations. Yet you claim he was fired for mishandling Title IX complaints. What does that tell you? Can you even figure it out?

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That's from Cannon, Briles' counsel. So who knows if it's true. Is that in any court doc? Even if it was, it wasn't Murff's decision alone. Also, that could have been Murff's opinion, but it wasn't the independent PH finding. To my knowledge, nothing in the PH summary has been disproven.

Also, if this is true, why has no one else hired him? It should be a simple matter to prove his innocence.

And why hasn't Briles sued, if he's been so unjustly treated? Seems like I remember he tried, but gave up on it.

We've litigated this among us forever and come to no consensus on it.

It's a different BOR now and they've made a lot of positive changes. But was a university-wide failure on Title IX. If anything, things were too cozy between the BOR and football, so people turned a blind eye to failures in the program.

Briles settled with a buyout. He would not have any cause of action for breach of contract.

PartyBear said:

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Briles settled with a buyout. He would not have any cause of action for breach of contract.

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If he thought he was innocent and had proof of it, why would he settle for that?

You guys can keep stirring this, but absolutely nobody cares about this other than a small group of fans. The BOR is not going to apologize. Briles is never going to be coaching in any way at a major university ever. No article from minor online sports site or posting here is going to change these facts.

What will continue will be the lawsuit by the women whose complaints were mishandled by BU. Those of you who are Briles supporters who think having all the PH docs out there will be somehow helpful to him aren't seeing reality. If anything, they will make him look worse.

You make it sound like he settled for nominal damages. That isnt my understanding. Although I dont know the amount.

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You make it sound like he settled for nominal damages. That isnt my understanding. Although I dont know the amount.

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Is any amount worth your reputation?

Now, he probably had no idea his career was done when he took the buyout, but anybody with a grasp of reality would have told him that.

When it comes down to it people are pragmatic when it comes to settling or putting it in a better way actually smart people are pragmatic and decide to settle if the offer is good.

The process for obtaining a board seat at Baylor are in no way reflective of what is written on any piece of paper or policy.

It's just a shady, backroom deal game.

Robert Wilson said:

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witchmo said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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witchmo said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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George Truett said:

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PartyBear said:

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Old news actually. This has all been known almost since 2016 as well.

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And false news at that.

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Dennis Wyles? Did you cry out to God, Pastor? Or at least run out to the press and tell people that you did? I've seen how you behave on the other board. Quite a representative of the cloth.

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Dennis became a distraction, also. His comments were honest and sincere but in the moment, they did not play well. I recall he and Neal were together in this interview.

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His comments were self interested and harmful to the University, exactly the opposite of what a fiduciary should be doing.

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No argument with the fiduciary perspective in any way. But these guys were not speaking deceitfully IMO. AS you noted, there needed to be an educational process to prepare one for serving on such a board.

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I am in no position to evaluate the man's candor. I also do not find it to be particularly relevant. He had absolutely no business giving that interview and saying the things that he said. There were so many moments surrounding that entire process that just screamed amateur hour it blew my mind..

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Agreed on all counts!

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The process for obtaining a board seat at Baylor are in no way reflective of what is written on any piece of paper or policy.

It's just a shady, backroom deal game.

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Shady? I think it's pretty clear.

If this story starts to get a lot of airtime, we will know that UT wants him as their next OC

I talk to plenty of Texas people and they've said for years they don't care about Art's baggage. Say they'll spin some "forgiveness and second chance storyline" and make it work. Students were too young to know what allegedly happened in Waco anyway and the old guard wants wins. Yada, yada, yada....

If Art went to Texas, he's come lay 60 on Baylor, and we know it, and then wave to the BOR luxury suites as he left the field.

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I talk to plenty of Texas people and they've said for years they don't care about Art's baggage. Say they'll spin some "forgiveness and second chance storyline" and make it work. Students were too young to know what allegedly happened in Waco anyway and the old guard wants wins. Yada, yada, yada....

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I am not doubting you, just your circle of UT friends. I'd wager 85% of today's fans in Austin want nothing to do with Art.

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ImABearToo said:

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I talk to plenty of Texas people and they've said for years they don't care about Art's baggage. Say they'll spin some "forgiveness and second chance storyline" and make it work. Students were too young to know what allegedly happened in Waco anyway and the old guard wants wins. Yada, yada, yada....

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I am not doubting you, just your circle of UT friends. I'd wager 85% of today's fans in Austin want nothing to do with Art.

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85% of today's fans in Austin won't be selecting the new coach...the BMDs and Del Conte will be. Besides, winning cures all ills.

And many of those big donors played a lot of golf with Art at Horseshoe Bay so don't think it hasn't been discussed. The commie leaning left wingers in the UT system would object but filling that 100k seat stadium is much more important.

George Truett said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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George Truett said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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George Truett said:

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brazosplaya said:

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https://www.outkick.com/baylor-used-a-racist-smear-of-black-football-players-to-cancel-art-briles/


BOR is sick.

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This is an old unsubstantiated charge.

There was no proof of it when it was made years ago and there's no proof of it now.

Outkick is trying to revise history.

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You have flipped the burden of proof, as if it was on the coaches and players. Nice try.

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Racism was the allegation, which was made with no proof.

If your alleging racism, you have to prove it.

Besides, you and others STILL don't understand why Briles was fired. The main reason why he was fired was his mishandling of Title IX complaints. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.

It doesn't matter than only one player was convicted.

It doesn't matter that many of the charges may have been false.

These are red herrings.

What matters is that complaints weren't properly handled. If you go back and read the PH report, that's what you find.

What matters is that the university as a whole didn't handle these complaints properly.

If we hadn't fired Briles, we would be enjoying an NCAA death penalty right now.

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The allegations were made by the people who publicly smeared Briles, the coaching staff, and our team. Bizarrely, those people included our own BOR. What a dysfunctional organization.

Quote:

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From the Article:

Cannon asked [Former Baylor BOR Chair Ron] Murff if Briles ever broke any rules or violated a university procedure when it came to his handling and reporting of assault allegations.
"No sir, not that I'm aware of," Murff said.
Cannon asked if Briles had concealed any information regarding sexual or domestic assaults by his players.
"No sir, not that I'm aware of," Murff said.

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So Murff swears under oath that to his knowledge Briles never broke any rules or university procedures when it came to handling and reporting assault or sexual assault allegations. Yet you claim he was fired for mishandling Title IX complaints. What does that tell you? Can you even figure it out?

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That's from Cannon, Briles' counsel. So who knows if it's true. Is that in any court doc? Even if it was, it wasn't Murff's decision alone. Also, that could have been Murff's opinion, but it wasn't the independent PH finding. To my knowledge, nothing in the PH summary has been disproven.

Also, if this is true, why has no one else hired him? It should be a simple matter to prove his innocence.

And why hasn't Briles sued, if he's been so unjustly treated? Seems like I remember he tried, but gave up on it.

We've litigated this among us forever and come to no consensus on it.

It's a different BOR now and they've made a lot of positive changes. But was a university-wide failure on Title IX. If anything, things were too cozy between the BOR and football, so people turned a blind eye to failures in the program.

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It was Murff's sworn deposition, you dolt. Murff was the chair of the BOR. He was privy to everything in the PH report. Yet Murff swore under oath he had no knowledge of Briles violating any university procedure in handling any physical assault or sexual assault claim. Yet you say he was fired for Title IX violations. I swear you're dumb as a stump. The rest of your stuff doesn't get any better.

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If Art went to Texas, he's come lay 60 on Baylor, and we know it, and then wave to the BOR luxury suites as he left the field.

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Wishful thinking.

He might lay 60 on us but his defense and special teams would give up 70.

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ImABearToo said:

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I talk to plenty of Texas people and they've said for years they don't care about Art's baggage. Say they'll spin some "forgiveness and second chance storyline" and make it work. Students were too young to know what allegedly happened in Waco anyway and the old guard wants wins. Yada, yada, yada....

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I am not doubting you, just your circle of UT friends. I'd wager 85% of today's fans in Austin want nothing to do with Art.

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BS. Those atheists would worship Lucifer on the 50 yard line complete with a sacrifice of somebody's first born male to win the Big 12.

Would Art be able to stand up to the ridicule from around the nation?

A $15M payoff, statements under oath disavowing wrong doing , letters from the BOR disavowing wrong doing. This was a multi-layered conspiracy involving a BOR cover-up, the old Alumni Association, UT and Oklahoma getting beaten by Art consistently and wanting him out. Even Saban and other coaches wanted the Spread O banned for "safety" reasons , and now it's taken over all of college and Pros. There was talk of the Big 12 splitting up while Art was kicking tail, but now that he's gone, no more of that talk. He changed football.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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ImABearToo said:

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I talk to plenty of Texas people and they've said for years they don't care about Art's baggage. Say they'll spin some "forgiveness and second chance storyline" and make it work. Students were too young to know what allegedly happened in Waco anyway and the old guard wants wins. Yada, yada, yada....

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I am not doubting you, just your circle of UT friends. I'd wager 85% of today's fans in Austin want nothing to do with Art.

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85% of today's fans in Austin won't be selecting the new coach...the BMDs and Del Conte will be. Besides, winning cures all ills.

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Don't forget.....................you have to have a throne at the table for the Black Lives Matter royalty. This would include UT agreeing to ditching the Eyes of Texas, donating 0.5% of the department's annual earnings to the Black Lives Matter movement and black organizations, establishing a permanent black athletic history exhibit in the Athletics Hall of Fame and renaming parts of the football stadium after Julius Whittier, the first black football letterman at UT-Austin.

Also, they will want UT officials to rename campus buildings named after Texans who were proponents of segregation or held other racist views, remove a statue of prominent segregationist James Hogg.

Timbear said:

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A $15M payoff, statements under oath disavowing wrong doing , letters from the BOR disavowing wrong doing. This was a multi-layered conspiracy involving a BOR cover-up, the old Alumni Association, UT and Oklahoma getting beaten by Art consistently and wanting him out. Even Saban and other coaches wanted the Spread O banned for "safety" reasons , and now it's taken over all of college and Pros. There was talk of the Big 12 splitting up while Art was kicking tail, but now that he's gone, no more of that talk. He changed football.

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3A football

Thee University said:

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Green&GoldStandard said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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ImABearToo said:

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I talk to plenty of Texas people and they've said for years they don't care about Art's baggage. Say they'll spin some "forgiveness and second chance storyline" and make it work. Students were too young to know what allegedly happened in Waco anyway and the old guard wants wins. Yada, yada, yada....

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I am not doubting you, just your circle of UT friends. I'd wager 85% of today's fans in Austin want nothing to do with Art.

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85% of today's fans in Austin won't be selecting the new coach...the BMDs and Del Conte will be. Besides, winning cures all ills.

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Don't forget.....................you have to have a throne at the table for the Black Lives Matter royalty. This would include UT agreeing to ditching the Eyes of Texas, donating 0.5% of the department's annual earnings to the Black Lives Matter movement and black organizations, establishing a permanent black athletic history exhibit in the Athletics Hall of Fame and renaming parts of the football stadium after Julius Whittier, the first black football letterman at UT-Austin.

Also, they will want UT officials to rename campus buildings named after Texans who were proponents of segregation or held other racist views, remove a statue of prominent segregationist James Hogg.

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Do you have a sheet hanging in your closet?

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Thee University said:

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Green&GoldStandard said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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ImABearToo said:

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I talk to plenty of Texas people and they've said for years they don't care about Art's baggage. Say they'll spin some "forgiveness and second chance storyline" and make it work. Students were too young to know what allegedly happened in Waco anyway and the old guard wants wins. Yada, yada, yada....

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I am not doubting you, just your circle of UT friends. I'd wager 85% of today's fans in Austin want nothing to do with Art.

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85% of today's fans in Austin won't be selecting the new coach...the BMDs and Del Conte will be. Besides, winning cures all ills.

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Don't forget.....................you have to have a throne at the table for the Black Lives Matter royalty. This would include UT agreeing to ditching the Eyes of Texas, donating 0.5% of the department's annual earnings to the Black Lives Matter movement and black organizations, establishing a permanent black athletic history exhibit in the Athletics Hall of Fame and renaming parts of the football stadium after Julius Whittier, the first black football letterman at UT-Austin.

Also, they will want UT officials to rename campus buildings named after Texans who were proponents of segregation or held other racist views, remove a statue of prominent segregationist James Hogg.

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Do you have a sheet hanging in your closet?

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And a lawn jockey in his yard.

George Truett said:

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PartyBear said:

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Briles settled with a buyout. He would not have any cause of action for breach of contract.

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If he thought he was innocent and had proof of it, why would he settle for that?

You guys can keep stirring this, but absolutely nobody cares about this other than a small group of fans. The BOR is not going to apologize. Briles is never going to be coaching in any way at a major university ever. No article from minor online sports site or posting here is going to change these facts.

What will continue will be the lawsuit by the women whose complaints were mishandled by BU. Those of you who are Briles supporters who think having all the PH docs out there will be somehow helpful to him aren't seeing reality. If anything, they will make him look worse.

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I think Briles was protecting his coaching staff. I think he took the blame and moved on. It is interesting to notice that several of his coaching staff have moved on to good positions in college ball. I remember Drayton McLane offered a reword to any one that could produce information about Briles guilt and I do not think anyone did so.
I was surprised that Pepper Hamilton never interviewed the players. Their study left a lot to be desired.

The BOR needed a scapegoat and Briles was it.

Thee, Baylor will never again have an O coach that can score 60, much less 70.

Green&GoldStandard said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Thee University said:

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Green&GoldStandard said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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ImABearToo said:

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I talk to plenty of Texas people and they've said for years they don't care about Art's baggage. Say they'll spin some "forgiveness and second chance storyline" and make it work. Students were too young to know what allegedly happened in Waco anyway and the old guard wants wins. Yada, yada, yada....

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I am not doubting you, just your circle of UT friends. I'd wager 85% of today's fans in Austin want nothing to do with Art.

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85% of today's fans in Austin won't be selecting the new coach...the BMDs and Del Conte will be. Besides, winning cures all ills.

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Don't forget.....................you have to have a throne at the table for the Black Lives Matter royalty. This would include UT agreeing to ditching the Eyes of Texas, donating 0.5% of the department's annual earnings to the Black Lives Matter movement and black organizations, establishing a permanent black athletic history exhibit in the Athletics Hall of Fame and renaming parts of the football stadium after Julius Whittier, the first black football letterman at UT-Austin.

Also, they will want UT officials to rename campus buildings named after Texans who were proponents of segregation or held other racist views, remove a statue of prominent segregationist James Hogg.

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Do you have a sheet hanging in your closet?

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And a lawn jockey in his yard.

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Lawn jockey is for city folks.

George Truett said:

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... It's a different BOR now and they've made a lot of positive changes. But was a university-wide failure on Title IX. If anything, things were too cozy between the BOR and football, so people turned a blind eye to failures in the program.

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Still on the Board: Mark Roundtree, Jennifer Elrod, Shelly Giglio, Cary Gray, Larry Heard, Dan Hord III, Neal Jeffrey, Mark Lovvorn, Julie Turner and Dennis Wiles were all on the BOR.

Mark Hurd's widow Paula is now on the BOR,

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Do you have a sheet hanging in your closet?

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No.

The only time I have ever seen the Klan was on Valley Mills Drive back around 1990 before a Baylor football game.

30 years later I keep hearing how they are causing all of the looting and riots and killing of black folks but all I've seen is the most racist group ever, BLM.

BLM = give us some money or we will call you a racist.

I have to assume you are a racist BLM'er.

Timbear said:

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Thee, Baylor will never again have an O coach that can score 60, much less 70. ll the trigger.

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Who cares about a 7 on 7 track meet? I'm good with W's no matter the score.

2-0 Bears win? I'm locked and loaded.

3-0 Cub win? I'll take them all day long.

There are at least 3 pieces of winning college football. Art only understood 1 of the 3.

1603 days and we are still rebuilding what he tore down. Keep crying and blaming everybody else if it makes you feel any better.

Btw, Art is too old. Scheming that he'll come back and revive a program is nuts.

No one is giving a long term contract to a 65 year old. Even at Baylor, his work rate was decreasing.

I'm sure it's even less so now..

Winning 50 games in 5 years with 2 Big 12 titles won't change, no matter how much you wish it would, and 1 Coach in Baylor football history did that.