“Anybody that thinks Texas’ football problems have been a result of league affiliation are completely delusional.” -Bob Bowlsby 👀 https://t.co/xNV2Tz74a4
— Heartland College Sports (@Heartland_CS) October 20, 2021
“Anybody that thinks Texas’ football problems have been a result of league affiliation are completely delusional.” -Bob Bowlsby 👀 https://t.co/xNV2Tz74a4
— Heartland College Sports (@Heartland_CS) October 20, 2021
except to withhold all their fundsJustWinBears said:
At this point just pretend they don't exist. Talking about them leaving does nothing for the conference. Let them leave in silence and focus on the new big 12.
I think the network was certainly a factor, but I'd argue their decline has had more to do with a shifting college football landscape toward parity. Programs like Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State and Iowa State rose to Texas' level, and rather than match those programs' work ethic and engenuity, they leaned even harder into their "We're Texas" entitlement culture. They've yet to realize that there's nothing inherently special about them. At this point they're just a rich athletic program that consistently does less with more.parch said:
In hindsight the Longhorns were more or less willing partners in the league's growth until the LHN started in 2010, at which point they became a Big 12 member in name only. It's telling, too, that their football program's precipitous and calamitous decline began in earnest in... 2010.
Withhold the exit fee from both UT and OU immediately. Do everything (else) you can to make them want to leave early. We have the votes to be vindictive.Surf Oso said:except to withhold all their fundsJustWinBears said:
At this point just pretend they don't exist. Talking about them leaving does nothing for the conference. Let them leave in silence and focus on the new big 12.
They're like the rich kid who thinks he's a bad ass because his grandad made a fortune and never realizes you got to work to make a name for yourself.bear2be2 said:I think the network was certainly a factor, but I'd argue their decline has had more to do with a shifting college football landscape toward parity. Programs like Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State and Iowa State rose to Texas' level, and rather than match those programs' work ethic and engenuity, they leaned even harder into their "We're Texas" entitlement culture. They've yet to realize that there's nothing inherently special about them. At this point they're just a rich athletic program that consistently does less with more.parch said:
In hindsight the Longhorns were more or less willing partners in the league's growth until the LHN started in 2010, at which point they became a Big 12 member in name only. It's telling, too, that their football program's precipitous and calamitous decline began in earnest in... 2010.
This.SMack said:
He feels personally betrayed because he was their loyal shill for nine years.
He promoted the interests of OU and UT, not the conference, now he still claims to represent the conference. I have my doubts.
Agree.Pecos 45 said:
Bottom line: The departure of UT will harm our businesses in Texas, and the Whorns get plenty of State money, so pull the purse strings.
Pecos 45 said:
Sorry, but there are already studies showing the harm that will be done to Waco, Fort Worth and Lubbock when those games with UT are gone.
Texas fans fill the hotels and restaurants, not to mention all of the other businesses that benefit from a football game with the largest university in Texas.
Quote:
"For the communities across the Big 12 Conference, the realignment could be expected to cause losses of $938.9 million in annual gross product and 12,623 jobs under Scenario 1, with $1.3 billion in annual gross product and 18,063 jobs."
Here is the full economic report out on the millions in lost dollars if this happens.
https://www.perrymangroup.com/publications/report/2021/07/28/potential-economic-consequences-of-texas-and-ou-leaving-the-big-12-conference/
This isn't high school ball.
It WILL harm the economies of our cities in Texas.
Alf said:Pecos 45 said:
Sorry, but there are already studies showing the harm that will be done to Waco, Fort Worth and Lubbock when those games with UT are gone.
Texas fans fill the hotels and restaurants, not to mention all of the other businesses that benefit from a football game with the largest university in Texas.
Quote:
"For the communities across the Big 12 Conference, the realignment could be expected to cause losses of $938.9 million in annual gross product and 12,623 jobs under Scenario 1, with $1.3 billion in annual gross product and 18,063 jobs."
Here is the full economic report out on the millions in lost dollars if this happens.
https://www.perrymangroup.com/publications/report/2021/07/28/potential-economic-consequences-of-texas-and-ou-leaving-the-big-12-conference/
This isn't high school ball.
It WILL harm the economies of our cities in Texas.
Spin Doctors. You can come up with "studies" to support most any argument. Fact is, last week there were as many BYU fans in Waco as UT fans typically are. I presume they got hotel rooms and ate meals while in town. Probably spent more money in Waco than the typical UT fan.
I know South Bend is a lot closer to Cincy than Waco but they look to travel well. I'm guessing UH will also be bringing in a lot of folks.
Bottom line: UT/OU good riddance!
Pecos 45 said:
Again, I ask, "Where are our elected officials?"
Contrast A$$butt and Lt. Gov. Dick Pushup's non-actions with those of Bob Bullock and Ann Richards when the Big 12 tried to leave Baylor and Tech behind.
There IS something they can do (anyone noticed all the executive orders Gov. A$$butt has been issuing?) if they would only stop being bystanders.
The PUF funds can be withheld.
It may take a constitutional amendment to do it, but they've already jumped through hoops to change our voting laws, so what's the big deal?
OK, I provided a source for my statements.Alf said:Pecos 45 said:
Sorry, but there are already studies showing the harm that will be done to Waco, Fort Worth and Lubbock when those games with UT are gone.
Texas fans fill the hotels and restaurants, not to mention all of the other businesses that benefit from a football game with the largest university in Texas.
Quote:
"For the communities across the Big 12 Conference, the realignment could be expected to cause losses of $938.9 million in annual gross product and 12,623 jobs under Scenario 1, with $1.3 billion in annual gross product and 18,063 jobs."
Here is the full economic report out on the millions in lost dollars if this happens.
https://www.perrymangroup.com/publications/report/2021/07/28/potential-economic-consequences-of-texas-and-ou-leaving-the-big-12-conference/
This isn't high school ball.
It WILL harm the economies of our cities in Texas.
Spin Doctors. You can come up with "studies" to support most any argument. Fact is, last week there were as many BYU fans in Waco as UT fans typically are. I presume they got hotel rooms and ate meals while in town. Probably spent more money in Waco than the typical UT fan.
I know South Bend is a lot closer to Cincy than Waco but they look to travel well. I'm guessing UH will also be bringing in a lot of folks.
Bottom line: UT/OU good riddance!
Doesn't mater who is in office.Johnny Bear said:Pecos 45 said:
Again, I ask, "Where are our elected officials?"
Contrast A$$butt and Lt. Gov. Dick Pushup's non-actions with those of Bob Bullock and Ann Richards when the Big 12 tried to leave Baylor and Tech behind.
There IS something they can do (anyone noticed all the executive orders Gov. A$$butt has been issuing?) if they would only stop being bystanders.
The PUF funds can be withheld.
It may take a constitutional amendment to do it, but they've already jumped through hoops to change our voting laws, so what's the big deal?
Yeah, if only the dimcrats were in charge of our state. Then we'd really be a model of success like California, Illinois, and New York………….. oh, wait ……………
So you suggest we use lawyers?BearlyBeloved said:
Economic studies?
It's said that if you lined up all the world's economists, shoulder-to-shoulder, they still would never reach a conclusion.
historian said:
Truth. The main reason for any instability, or any other problems, in the Big 12 was UT & to a slightly lesser degree OU who is happy to be their lapdog.