I knew there would be a good amount of them but they had some great seats

They got the tickets from Baylor season ticket holders I guess. It was very disappointing.

One would hope if a Baylor fan was not coming, they would get the tickets to another Baylor fan.

To be fair, there were a number of Hogs fans in line 90 minutes prior to tip, but not in the numbers that would give them the best GA seats down low.

Huge charter buses with the Cowboys star arrived about 90 minutes before tip. They let them in the media entrance before BBF members and season seat holders. Some had reserved seats, some GA.

Our SID had a smartass answer that it is "standard operating procedure." Well, genius, its not standard to have General Admission in most P5 venues.

For the Monday game against the birds, doors opened well before the announced "one hour before tipoff." It's a mystery what you're going to get with our athletic department - apparently varying game by game - but you can be certain we treat the visitors much better than BU fans would be treated in an opposing venue.

Stefano DiMera said:

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I'm confused...other schools treat visitors crappy...so we should to?

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There's probably a way to treat visitors well without giving them the best seats in your gym. That sounded like an Arkansas home game at several points throughout the game.

How hard would it be to reserve a couple of non-prime sections for the early arriving visiting fans. Giving them precedence over your home fans in a general admission setting seems pretty lame.

Stefano DiMera said:

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I'm confused...other schools treat visitors crappy...so we should to?

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Low IQ response. Not surprised.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Y'all are talking like you don't know anything about the Baylor fan base. This is who we are.

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This has nothing to do with the Baylor fan base. The athletic department allowed a large visiting group into the arena before it opened the gym to anyone else. In a general admission setting, that's a problem.

Baylor fans were waiting to enter while visiting fans were allowed by the university to snatch up prime seats.

I'm just happy all those Arkansas fans got to see their team lose to Baylor. And that I was there to witness it myself.

bear2be2 said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Y'all are talking like you don't know anything about the Baylor fan base. This is who we are.

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This has nothing to do with the Baylor fan base. The athletic department allowed a large visiting group into the arena before it opened the gym to anyone else. In a general admission setting, that's a problem.

Baylor fans were waiting to enter while visiting fans were allowed by the university to snatch up prime seats.

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GA seats are not prime seats. Hogs sitting in the prime seats got them from our season ticket holders.

Our ticket office doesn't get it. They need to fire a few people and start over.

cheryl_ervi@baylor.edu

Don't ever discuss anything with them via phone, keep it to email.

This is Rhoades responsibility, he needs to fix it.

Big12Bear said:

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To be fair, there were a number of Hogs fans in line 90 minutes prior to tip, but not in the numbers that would give them the best GA seats down low.

Huge charter buses with the Cowboys star arrived about 90 minutes before tip. They let them in the media entrance before BBF members and season seat holders. Some had reserved seats, some GA.

Our SID had a smartass answer that it is "standard operating procedure." Well, genius, its not standard to have General Admission in most P5 venues.

For the Monday game against the birds, doors opened well before the announced "one hour before tipoff." It's a mystery what you're going to get with our athletic department - apparently varying game by game - but you can be certain we treat the visitors much better than BU fans would be treated in an opposing venue.

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Everything in this post is true.

The attitude of the Athletic Department employees I spoke with was IMO unprofessional.

Our leaders just flush money down the drain and our coaches even notice it.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Our ticket office doesn't get it. They need to fire a few people and start over.

cheryl_ervi@baylor.edu

Don't ever discuss anything with them via phone, keep it to email.

This is Rhoades responsibility, he needs to fix it.

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Why doesn't someone or several people Organize and call into smokys show and make this a public discussion?

It's amazing after all Baylor's success how small time
The operation continues to be in many ways.

bear2be2 said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Y'all are talking like you don't know anything about the Baylor fan base. This is who we are.

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This has nothing to do with the Baylor fan base. The athletic department allowed a large visiting group into the arena before it opened the gym to anyone else. In a general admission setting, that's a problem.

Baylor fans were waiting to enter while visiting fans were allowed by the university to snatch up prime seats.

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We have a national championship program. We have a 10,000 seat arena, and we never sell it out. It's all on the fan base.

TellMeYouLoveMe said:

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Big12Bear said:

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To be fair, there were a number of Hogs fans in line 90 minutes prior to tip, but not in the numbers that would give them the best GA seats down low.

Huge charter buses with the Cowboys star arrived about 90 minutes before tip. They let them in the media entrance before BBF members and season seat holders. Some had reserved seats, some GA.

Our SID had a smartass answer that it is "standard operating procedure." Well, genius, its not standard to have General Admission in most P5 venues.

For the Monday game against the birds, doors opened well before the announced "one hour before tipoff." It's a mystery what you're going to get with our athletic department - apparently varying game by game - but you can be certain we treat the visitors much better than BU fans would be treated in an opposing venue.

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Everything in this post is true.

The attitude of the Athletic Department employees I spoke with was IMO unprofessional.

Our leaders just flush money down the drain and our coaches even notice it.

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This has been true since I've followed Baylor athletics (late 80s). They view the majority of Baylor fans as peasants.

Big12Bear said:

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To be fair, there were a number of Hogs fans in line 90 minutes prior to tip, but not in the numbers that would give them the best GA seats down low.

Huge charter buses with the Cowboys star arrived about 90 minutes before tip. They let them in the media entrance before BBF members and season seat holders. Some had reserved seats, some GA.

Our SID had a smartass answer that it is "standard operating procedure." Well, genius, its not standard to have General Admission in most P5 venues.

For the Monday game against the birds, doors opened well before the announced "one hour before tipoff." It's a mystery what you're going to get with our athletic department - apparently varying game by game - but you can be certain we treat the visitors much better than BU fans would be treated in an opposing venue.

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This is a pretty good summary, but I'll add a couple of things. There is a thread on the premium board - I think it's at 8 pages now with comments on this. David Kaye, to his credit, responded today and acknowledged that there were opportunities to improve but was adamant that only the Arkansas travel party got in early. What happened was many of them grabbed the best GA seats and saved seats for others that didn't have the early entry. It looks like the Cowboys bus crew were the beneficiaries of the saved GA seats. He kind of portrayed this situation as blown out of proportion, but that's easy to say when you don't have to bust your ass and run the gauntlet for a decent seat. Again, I appreciate David responding to the concerns in the premium thread, and Im not trying to fan any flames, but someone sent me a private message and asked that I post in this thread.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Thanks for the update..as usual with this board it was much ado about nothing...

We won..our crowd was loud and looked good on TV.. nothing burger..

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I wouldn't call it a nothing burger by any stretch. Definitely a frustrating situation and mistakes that gave prime seats to Arkansas fans over Baylor fans. I'm just saying they acknowledged this situation and not much else we can do at this point.

This has never been fixed ever at baylor. Not sure what enrollment and living alums have to get to formit not to be a problem, but we've made generally dumb ticketing and seat placement decisions for generations.

It's a hold over from baylor not taking sports seriously for oh, about 110 years.