Discussion About Scott Drew

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datboiquadzilla
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I posted this in the premium boards but thought I would post it here too

Quinton
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Shame 2022 was injury plagued. Would have made this stretch historic.

Was a year filled with good but nothing special outside of healthy Bu. Think they would have repeated pretty cleanly. Was definitely better than KU when healthy and played the next best team (UNC) to OT on one leg. Also dominated a Villanova team that made the final 4.
historian
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Excellent!
datboiquadzilla
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Quinton said:

Shame 2022 was injury plagued. Would have made this stretch historic.

Was a year filled with good but nothing special outside of healthy Bu. Think they would have repeated pretty cleanly. Was definitely better than KU when healthy and played the next best team (UNC) to OT on one leg. Also dominated a Villanova team that made the final 4.


It's quite incredible how Scott Drew turned Sochan into a top ten pick that season!
TWD 1974
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Quinton said:

Shame 2022 was injury plagued. Would have made this stretch historic.

Was a year filled with good but nothing special outside of healthy Bu. Think they would have repeated pretty cleanly. Was definitely better than KU when healthy and played the next best team (UNC) to OT on one leg. Also dominated a Villanova team that made the final 4.
2021 we were lucky to avoid any big injury problems all year; We made up for it in 2022.
I also think we were in for a very deep run in 2020 before the shutdown.
Winning an NC in college basketball is a challenge like no other in sports: 6 games at 3 different neutral sites against the best competition and a pressure that increases with each win. What the 2021 team had that we have not had in years since in my opinion, was the ability to put the defense in a fifth gear when they needed to. The Villanova game in the tournament was that crucial moment in 2021. Nova was playing out of their minds, our guards were frozen cold. Davion, Vitals and company took that game over in the second half by their defense. That was the moment I suddenly realized we could win this thing.
GoodOleBaylorLine
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TWD 1974 said:

Quinton said:

Shame 2022 was injury plagued. Would have made this stretch historic.

Was a year filled with good but nothing special outside of healthy Bu. Think they would have repeated pretty cleanly. Was definitely better than KU when healthy and played the next best team (UNC) to OT on one leg. Also dominated a Villanova team that made the final 4.

Winning an NC in college basketball is a challenge like no other in sports: 6 games at 3 different neutral sites against the best competition and a pressure that increases with each win.

This. People don't get how hard it is to win it all.

Tom Izzo, who is an excellent coach, has been coaching for 28 years at a program that was already respected and established when he took over. He has won one NC.
Quinton
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I think venue is part of it but playing so many different styles in a tight window is a huge part of it. That 2022 team could play anyway you wanted. Obviously it would have been more likely than not they wouldn't have won it based on the odds but they would have been the clear favorites.

Agree the 2021 team was relatively healthy. Covid pause might have saved everyone's legs that year.
historian
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TWD 1974 said:

Quinton said:

Shame 2022 was injury plagued. Would have made this stretch historic.

Was a year filled with good but nothing special outside of healthy Bu. Think they would have repeated pretty cleanly. Was definitely better than KU when healthy and played the next best team (UNC) to OT on one leg. Also dominated a Villanova team that made the final 4.
2021 we were lucky to avoid any big injury problems all year; We made up for it in 2022.
I also think we were in for a very deep run in 2020 before the shutdown.
Winning an NC in college basketball is a challenge like no other in sports: 6 games at 3 different neutral sites against the best competition and a pressure that increases with each win. What the 2021 team had that we have not had in years since in my opinion, was the ability to put the defense in a fifth gear when they needed to. The Villanova game in the tournament was that crucial moment in 2021. Nova was playing out of their minds, our guards were frozen cold. Davion, Vitals and company took that game over in the second half by their defense. That was the moment I suddenly realized we could win this thing.

IIRC, Scott Drew said pretty much the same thing about the 2021 Nova game. I think it was in the Sicem365 documentary An Ode to Joy.

I think our great offense was a big reason for the natty (best 3 point shooting team in the country) but so was our defense. It takes both as we have seen more recently.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU
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CSD is an amazing cosch and i hope we never lose him. I wish he was zs good as some of jokers here think they are. I would rank him above CGT as the best coach in Baylor history
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DanaDane
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I'm too young to understand the CGT era but I just don't see how it's possible that any coach dating back to the beginnings of our school could be placed ahead of what Scott Drew has accomplished. Let's face it. Without COVID in '20, there was a good chance that team could have made it to the Final Four. We won it in '21 with some of the largest margins in NCAA history. And, I know you can't guarantee anything in basketball because anyone can get upset in a 1 game and out tournament, but if the '22 team had not hit the injury skid I don't see any way we don't at least get to the Final Four again then. We were certainly playing at a level to the point of injuries that was the best in college basketball at that time.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

CSD is an amazing cosch and i hope we never lose him. I wish he was zs good as some of jokers here think they are. I would rank him above CGT as the best coach in Baylor history


Is there a debate? I love Teaff, but the man had a career 6-5 average. Drew is elite.
DanaDane
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And I don't want to skate past it because what Kim Mulkey did is incredibly impressive as well. I just think the situation Drew took over was one like no one had ever seen before and so his venture was a little bit more difficult than Mulkey. But both took us to levels I never thought we'd see.
historian
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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

CSD is an amazing cosch and i hope we never lose him. I wish he was zs good as some of jokers here think they are. I would rank him above CGT as the best coach in Baylor history


Is there a debate? I love Teaff, but the man had a career 6-5 average. Drew is elite.

It is very difficult to compare Drew to Teaff: different eras, different sports, different levels of competition, etc.
DallasBear9902
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TWD 1974 said:

Quinton said:

Shame 2022 was injury plagued. Would have made this stretch historic.

Was a year filled with good but nothing special outside of healthy Bu. Think they would have repeated pretty cleanly. Was definitely better than KU when healthy and played the next best team (UNC) to OT on one leg. Also dominated a Villanova team that made the final 4.
2021 we were lucky to avoid any big injury problems all year; We made up for it in 2022.
I also think we were in for a very deep run in 2020 before the shutdown.
Winning an NC in college basketball is a challenge like no other in sports: 6 games at 3 different neutral sites against the best competition and a pressure that increases with each win. What the 2021 team had that we have not had in years since in my opinion, was the ability to put the defense in a fifth gear when they needed to. The Villanova game in the tournament was that crucial moment in 2021. Nova was playing out of their minds, our guards were frozen cold. Davion, Vitals and company took that game over in the second half by their defense. That was the moment I suddenly realized we could win this thing.


2020 was capable of winning it all. Probably needed a lucky break or two in the tourney, but Gillespie could have anchored an NCAA champion defense and Bandoo was a gifted scorer.

That said, a deep run in 2020 probably means we lose Davion and/or Butler that year. As disappointing as the COVID shutdown was (I had great tickets to the Elite 8 in Houston that year), it set us up for 2021 with all three guards coming back for 2021 since there was no March showcase. And 2021 didn't need any lucky breaks in the tournament. That was just a dominant run.

2020 will always be a great "what if" for Baylor, but also weird in that it might been a lucky break for Baylor that led to the 2021 Championship.
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To me 2022 is always going to be the bigger what if

But 2016,,2017,2018 will always be THE BIGGEST what if thanks to our boi and what Briles could have done had he not said "bad dudes" in writing
TWD 1974
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DanaDane said:

I'm too young to understand the CGT era but I just don't see how it's possible that any coach dating back to the beginnings of our school could be placed ahead of what Scott Drew has accomplished. Let's face it. Without COVID in '20, there was a good chance that team could have made it to the Final Four. We won it in '21 with some of the largest margins in NCAA history. And, I know you can't guarantee anything in basketball because anyone can get upset in a 1 game and out tournament, but if the '22 team had not hit the injury skid I don't see any way we don't at least get to the Final Four again then. We were certainly playing at a level to the point of injuries that was the best in college basketball at that time.
A lot of folks have said, when considering how great a coach Phil Jackson was, there might be 10,000 coaches out there that could have won championships with Jordan, Pippin/Kobe, Shack. Well, no one who thinks about it can say that about CSD. In late August 2003, no one else was taking the Baylor job, with the tragedy, scandal, player exits, and expected NCAA smackdown. Compare Drew to any coach, some might be better at some aspects, but not one of them would have taken the job Drew took! To win a NC here has to rate as one of the most remarkable success stories in any sport.
historian
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Probably the greatest turn around in sports history. It took a long time but was worth the wait. Thankfully, very appropriate today, what he has built has continued past the natty so that now we routinely expect a higher degree of success.
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historian said:

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

CSD is an amazing cosch and i hope we never lose him. I wish he was zs good as some of jokers here think they are. I would rank him above CGT as the best coach in Baylor history


Is there a debate? I love Teaff, but the man had a career 6-5 average. Drew is elite.

It is very difficult to compare Drew to Teaff: different eras, different sports, different levels of competition, etc.


They both brought their respective sports from the pits of hell to relevancy. Mulkey's success was unquestioned, and I could argue that Briles lifted football to the national level.
historian
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All true. The comparisons are very generic.
blackie
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DanaDane said:

And I don't want to skate past it because what Kim Mulkey did is incredibly impressive as well. I just think the situation Drew took over was one like no one had ever seen before and so his venture was a little bit more difficult than Mulkey. But both took us to levels I never thought we'd see.
The women's game was much later to the parity party also. For a long time you had the top 10 or 15 and then a big drop off after that. The better teams didn't even see much competition till the S16. Now you are starting to see it in the first weekend. So the path to the FF was a bit easier than it would be now, especially in 2005. The men's game started its move toward parity a lot further back so high-level competition has not been lacking even in the first weekend, which I think combined with the situation he took over makes the men's revival very impressive.

Of course the thing with Mulkey was that 2005 team was the first national championship that really had national exposure. It showed it could be done at Baylor. That was very impressive and can't be discounted. And getting back to Teaff, while his record wasn't all that great, it can certainly be argued that without that revival, there would not have been any Big XII for Baylor. And without that, you probably would never have seen all the basketball championships, both men and women, because who knows what conference we would have been in for all these years.....certainly not one that would have drawn elite recruits into basketball, men or women, regardless of what coach we might could have gotten being in a lesser conference. Also likely no McLane or top-10 football teams in the teens.

I would just leave it as we have been fortunate to have gotten out of the the sports deep, deep pit that I witnessed during my time at Baylor in the late 60s. I think we finished second in the conference in men's BB a couple of years (SWC...a pretty weak MBB conference) . No tournament appearances, we didn't even have WBB, and football.....well don't ask about that. We did have one year when UT only beat us 21-7. What a celebration - for a sports program, for that to be your biggest accomplishment. We have been blessed with at least four coaches that really made an impact (Teaff, Briles, Drew, and Mulkey). While football is in the crapper right now, there are very few schools in the country that have seen the success we have seen in sports over the last almost 20 years.
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Impressive summary, Blackie.

We must not overlook the contribution that Clyde Hart made in track and field. It may not be considered a major sport by many Americans, though it is the oldest and purest form of athleticism, but it has always been a sport with international significance, and Clyde's success in training athletes for the elite competition in this country and abroad made him the most widely known coach in Baylor history, and Baylor runners contenders to be on the victory stand in many Olympics over the course of three decades.

Baylor stood for excellence in the most widely watched sports event in the world, even though it was only every four years. In one sense of the term, being "taken for granted," as Baylor was in the elevated world of international track and field, is the highest of compliments, and I was witness to that in many venues in this country, though I never went abroad.

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setshot said:

Impressive summary, Blackie.

We must not overlook the contribution that Clyde Hart made in track and field. It may not be considered a major sport by many Americans, though it is the oldest and purest form of athleticism, but it has always been a sport with international significance, and Clyde's success in training athletes for the elite competition in this country and abroad made him the most widely known coach in Baylor history, and Baylor runners contenders to be on the victory stand in many Olympics over the course of three decades.

Baylor stood for excellence in the most widely watched sports event in the world, even though it was only every four years. In one sense of the term, being "taken for granted," as Baylor was in the elevated world of international track and field, is the highest of compliments, and I was witness to that in many venues in this country, though I never went abroad.



Without a doubt.
Smashmouth
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Hall of Fame Coach. He is still young enough to go for an all time wins Top 10. I get the feeling he will be like Coach K and stay here and groom his successor before he hits the bass ponds full time.
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