Story Poster
Photo by Jack Mackenzie - SicEm365
Baylor Basketball

Gameday Thread: #6 Baylor (9-0) vs Michigan State (4-5)

December 13, 2023
60,873

#6 Baylor (9-0) travels to Detroit, Michigan to take on Michigan State (4-5) on December 16th at 1pm CST at Little Caesar's Arena.  The game will be televised on Fox.  

KenPom Prediction:  Baylor 74 Michigan State 70

Torvik Prediction:  Baylor 72 Michigan State 71

Evan Miyakawa:  Baylor 78 Michigan State 72

Haslametrics:  Baylor 70 Michigan State 65

Coaches

Michigan State:  Tom Izzo (68) 691-285; 25 NCAAs; 14 Sweet 16s; 9 Elite 8s; 8 Final 4s; 1 NC

Baylor:  Scott Drew (53); 451-243 overall (431-232 at Baylor); 11 NCAAs; 5 Sweet 16s; 3 Elite 8s; FF; 1 National Championship

Head to Head:  2-0 Drew

Michigan State Starters

Guard:  Tyson Walker (SR) 6-1 185 lbs; 20 ppg; 3 reb; 2 asst; 47% FG; 33% 3pt; 60% FT

Guard:  AJ Hoggard (SR) 6-4 210 lbs; 10 ppg; 3 reb; 4 asst; 38% FG; 25% 3pt; 77% FT

Guard:  Jaden Akins (SR) 6-4 190 lbs; 10 ppg; 5 reb; 41% FG; 30% 3pt; 75% FT

Forward:  Malik Hall (SR) 6-8 220 lbs; 10 ppg; 5 reb; 2 asst; 48% FG; 20% 3pt; 72% FT

Forward:  Mady Sissoko (SR) 6-9 250 lbs; 4 ppg; 5 reb; 67% FG; 92% FT

Michigan State Bench

Forward:  Coen Carr (FR) 6-5 220 lbs; 5 ppg; 3 reb; 65% FG; 50% FT

Guard:  Tre Holloman (SO) 6-2 180 lbs; 5 ppg; 3 asst; 41% FG; 46% 3pt; 100% FT

Forward:  Carson Cooper (SO) 6-11 240 lbs; 3 ppg; 5 asst; 44% FG; 59% FT

Guard:  Jeremy Fears (FR) 6-2 190 lbs; 4 ppg; 2 reb; 3 asst; 52% FG; 17% 3pt; 73% FT

Baylor Starters

Guard:  RayJ Dennis (SR) 6-3 180 lbs; 14 ppg; 4 reb; 7 asst; 54% FG; 44% 3pt; 87% FT

Guard:  Jayden Nunn (JR) 6-3 190 lbs; 11 ppg; 3 reb; 3 asst; 46% FG; 41% 3pt; 78% FT 

Guard:  Ja’Kobe Walter (FR) 6-5 185 lbs; 15 ppg; 4 reb; 2 st; 42% FG; 38% 3pt; 88% FT

Forward:  Jalen Bridges (JR) 6-9 225 lbs; 11 ppg; 4 reb; 49% FG; 45% 3pt; 87% FT

Forward:  Yves Missi (FR) 6-11 220 lbs; 10 ppg; 7 reb; 2 blocks; 62% FG; 51% FT

Baylor Bench

Guard:  Langston Love (SO) 6-5 210 lbs; 12 ppg; 2 reb; 49% FG; 47% 3pt; 83% FT

Forward:  Caleb Lohner (JR) 6-8 235 lbs; 4 ppg; 3 reb; 64% FG; 67% 3pt; 71% FT

Forward:  Josh Ojianwuna (SO) 6-10 240 lbs; 5 ppg; 5 reb; 79% FG; 53% FT

Discussion from...

Gameday Thread: #6 Baylor (9-0) vs Michigan State (4-5)

25,726 Views | 176 Replies | Last: 10 mo ago by DanaDane
Cove Dawg
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:17p, 12/16/23
Did not anticipate this team taking a b*tt whooping like this. Hoping this is a one-off and the team we've witnessed all year returns.
Reply Quote
1
Oldbear83
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Johnny Bear • 2:17p, 12/16/23
Johnny Bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
Johnny Bear said:
Not that it matters much but Love absolutely got tackled in the lane and no call.
See my point 3 from my 2:00 post.

I'm not suggesting it's some kind of a meaningful excuse for this complete disaster, but it for sure doesn't help when you have guys that can get in the lane and draw fouls if the striped shirts simply won't call the fouls. Of course, on the other hand, the lesson should be if they're not gonna call them, start doing the same thing yourself on the defensive end.
Agreed, and frankly that's part of what is going on today. If we had been sinking 3's from outside the Spartans would have had to adjust to that and we could drive better, but with poor outside shooting and refs from the Soprano family, we saw a bad situation get worse.
Reply Quote
Oldbear83
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Stefano DiMera • 2:17p, 12/16/23
Stefano DiMera said:
#18?!. Don't be silly
Yogi doubts we'll make the Dance. He needs a better brand of tampon.
Reply Quote
2
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Crawfoso1973 • 2:18p, 12/16/23
Crawfoso1973 said:
Yogi said:


We really miss Coach Tang.
LOL. So predictable.
There are some really bad takes on this thread.

A lot of people don't watch much basketball apparently.

We look terrible today, no doubt. But these things happen in basketball.
Reply Quote
4
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to DanaDane • 2:20p, 12/16/23
DanaDane said:
Everyone has a bad game every once in awhile. This is not a bad game.

This is a completely and utterly unprepared team, with every flaw getting exposed easily by a physical Michigan State team.

Drew is usually good with halftime adjustments. Let's see if we can at least make the final score respectable.
There's not a hall of fame coach that has ever coached that hasn't had a game like this, where their team could do no right and the other could do no wrong. It sucks, but it happens. Learn from it and move on.
Reply Quote
2
Gametime
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to bear2be2 • 2:22p, 12/16/23
bear2be2 said:
Crawfoso1973 said:
Yogi said:


We really miss Coach Tang.
LOL. So predictable.
There are some really bad takes on this thread.

Ye

A lot of people don't watch much basketball apparently.

We look terrible today, no doubt. But these things happen in basketball.


How often if this is normal does a 4-5 team blow out a top tier team by 30 at half. Sorry these don't happen. Upsets heck yes. But, by 30ish just doesn't.

We will be ok down the line. But, this is crazy.
Reply Quote
5
Quinton
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:22p, 12/16/23
Just caught up. Wow Drew and staff are really struggling with defensive coaching. Seems to be a very legitimate trend now.

The offense should improve in the second half. But the softness is very concerning. Buzz saw and no matching of intensity. Need to bring this within 12 or so by end to have any hope of salvaging this game .

Missing a 6-7 / 6-8 grinding forward. Missing healthy Jon right now
Reply Quote
1
DanaDane
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Quinton • 2:26p, 12/16/23
Yep. As you and I agreed earlier in the season, just totally soft in the middle and inexperienced on D. Gonna struggle with physical teams particularly when the refs allow it to be a physical styled game. I expect the O to respond somewhat in the 2nd half.
Reply Quote
1
FWBear91
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:26p, 12/16/23
Comeback starts now
Reply Quote
1
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Gametime • 2:26p, 12/16/23
Gametime said:
bear2be2 said:
Crawfoso1973 said:
Yogi said:


We really miss Coach Tang.
LOL. So predictable.
There are some really bad takes on this thread.

Ye

A lot of people don't watch much basketball apparently.

We look terrible today, no doubt. But these things happen in basketball.


How often if this is normal does a 4-5 team blow out a top tier team by 30 at half. Sorry these don't happen. Upsets heck yes. But, by 30ish just doesn't.

We will be ok down the line. But, this is crazy.
Not often. But every team has Murphy's Law games. The runs don't usually last as long as ours did in the first half, but they happen.
Reply Quote
1
1 edit
ImABearToo
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:27p, 12/16/23
Nice early run.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
Reply Quote
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to FWBear91 • 2:27p, 12/16/23
FWBear91 said:
Comeback starts now
Got to get it to 12 by the 10-minute mark.
Reply Quote
1
Fre3dombear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:28p, 12/16/23
Wow

First air balled FT since mark vital

By our PG
Reply Quote
1
1 edit
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:29p, 12/16/23
Scott Drew teams do not quit. After our tournament game against UNC, I've learned never to count our boys out.
Reply Quote
1
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:30p, 12/16/23
Gus Johnson is terrible.
Reply Quote
1
DanaDane
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to bear2be2 • 2:30p, 12/16/23
Yes. I agree. Like the Marquette game, just last year.
Reply Quote
2
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:31p, 12/16/23
RayJ is having trouble staying in front of his man. Rough game for him on both ends.
Reply Quote
1
1 edit
Johnny Bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:31p, 12/16/23
Wasn't a goal tend
Reply Quote
1
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Johnny Bear • 2:32p, 12/16/23
Johnny Bear said:
Wasn't a goal tend
I think it hit the backboard first. Good call.
Reply Quote
1
DanaDane
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:32p, 12/16/23
That has to be a goal tend.
Reply Quote
1
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to DanaDane • 2:33p, 12/16/23
DanaDane said:
That has to be a goal tend.
I didn't see a foul, though.
Reply Quote
1
Johnny Bear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to bear2be2 • 2:33p, 12/16/23
bear2be2 said:
RayJ is having trouble staying in front of his man. Rough game for him on both ends.

Nunn's been really terrible today as well
Reply Quote
1
DanaDane
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:33p, 12/16/23
Ok, it hit the backboard. I see now.
Reply Quote
1
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:34p, 12/16/23
Our guards as a group have been very bad today. They've been outplayed badly by Michigan State's group.
Reply Quote
1
1 edit
Oldbear83
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Gametime • 2:34p, 12/16/23
Gametime said:
bear2be2 said:
Crawfoso1973 said:
Yogi said:


We really miss Coach Tang.
LOL. So predictable.
There are some really bad takes on this thread.

Ye

A lot of people don't watch much basketball apparently.

We look terrible today, no doubt. But these things happen in basketball.


How often if this is normal does a 4-5 team blow out a top tier team by 30 at half. Sorry these don't happen. Upsets heck yes. But, by 30ish just doesn't.

We will be ok down the line. But, this is crazy.
You are aware that Michigan State was top 5 in the rankings not so long ago?
Reply Quote
1
ImABearToo
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:35p, 12/16/23
Could be us when we hit XII play.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
Reply Quote
DanaDane
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:35p, 12/16/23
Has Love scored?
Reply Quote
1
Oldbear83
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to ImABearToo • 2:36p, 12/16/23
ImABearToo said:
Could be us when we hit XII play.
We have a ton of talent and a HOF-caliber coach.

We'll be fine.
Reply Quote
ImABearToo
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:37p, 12/16/23
Defense, or lack thereof, fully exposed today.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
Reply Quote
1
bear2be2
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to DanaDane • 2:37p, 12/16/23
DanaDane said:
Has Love scored?
I don't think so. Like all of our guards, he's been awful today.
Reply Quote
1
DanaDane
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to bear2be2 • 2:37p, 12/16/23
If someone was judging on one game (and thankfully they don't), Walker looks head and shoulders better than RayJ and JaKobe looks lost right now with the physical pressure D from MSU. It will be a great learning experience for both hopefully.
Reply Quote
PaperBear89
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:42p, 12/16/23
Moving on to saying tacky things about the opponent: Tom Izzo looks like one of those 1970s TV cops that always has a bottle of Mylanta within reach.
Reply Quote
1
ImABearToo
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:43p, 12/16/23
Well our little run just ran out.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
Reply Quote
BUGWBBear
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Johnny Bear • 2:45p, 12/16/23
Johnny Bear said:
We're way too good of a team to be just getting destroyed like this - even on a bad day which this obviously is. We look like a bottom half of the SWAC team playing a Big 10 team.


Apparently we're not as good as we're supposed to be. They look like they didn't bother practicing.

Baylor, if you decide in advance to give up like you did today, advance notice would be nice.
Reply Quote
1
DanaDane
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
2:45p, 12/16/23
Was just going back to examine the Marquette boxscore from last year. Didn't realize what we were ranked going into that game. Anyone say 6th? Yes, you are correct.

We fell to 12th after that 26 point loss.
Reply Quote
2
1 edit
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.