Why boo Pop Isaacs?

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historian
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The fact that "everybody else does it" is no justification, even if true. One would hope that Baylor sets a higher stander and behaves better than others.

Do we really want to be like Texas or TCU fans???
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If you really think it's just Texas and TCU you're being naive. Maybe we just tell the students to be quiet all game. To hell with creating a HC advantage. We need to appease the thin skinned folk on here whose feelings are hurt.
The uproar over fans rattling a guy (who shouldn't be playing anyways) is just silly. "no means no"and "17" are NOT malicious… much much much much worse things could have been chanted but weren't
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

IowaBear said:

Pop Issacs is accused of raping a minor. I'll say it one more time so you can read it clearly… Pop Issacs is accused of raping a minor.
If you want to be pissed, be pissed that Tech continues to play him. Win at all costs.
BU is doing what EVERY fanbase would do. Why that makes some of you mad is rather confusing.
If you don't like I'd probably mute BU home games. Because I doubt the students give a crap that their chants hurt your feelings
I have he ability to be upset with more than one thing at the same time.

If I have a bad neighbor, worse than me, it doesn't mean I can't work on myself.

BYU has a great home court advantage without resorting to No Means No which, happens to be what was yelled at our players.
But they showed Horns Down, which in some circles is much, much worse.
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IowaBear said:

If you really think it's just Texas and TCU you're being naive. Maybe we just tell the students to be quiet all game. To hell with creating a HC advantage. We need to appease the thin skinned folk on here whose feelings are hurt.
The uproar over fans rattling a guy (who shouldn't be playing anyways) is just silly. "no means no"and "17" are NOT malicious… much much much much worse things could have been chanted but weren't
It's already been established that students don't have to be morons to create a home court advantage. BYU manages to create one of the best home court experiences in the country without doing so. And when their students do cross the line, they police themselves and hold each other accountable.

There are lots of ways to be loud and make opponents uncomfortable without using rape as a prop in your trash talk. It's silly and lazy to suggest otherwise.
IowaBear
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The students weren't being morons good grief…
If you're soooooo offended mute the TV. Crying on here isn't gonna change a thing
bear2be2
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IowaBear said:

The students weren't being morons good grief…
If you're soooooo offended mute the TV. Crying on here isn't gonna change a thing
As best as I can tell, no one's crying. Just pointing out how stupid and childish it is to turn rape allegations into a fan chant ... and that's to say nothing of doing so while attending a university widely and derisively described as Rape U.

It's stupid. Plain and simple. You can defend it if you want. I'll always call out nonsense for what it is.
historian
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Those are only examples. Almost everyone does it. That was never a justification for anything.

Your next statement is ridiculous. The students can make all kinds of noise and do everything to harass the opposing team without being classless about it. I have no problem with horns down when Texas comes to town. It's a matter of degree.

It's also hypocritical of Baylor fans to taunt another team about something scandalous in light of our own real basketball scandal 20 years ago and the fake football scandal less than 10 years ago. I remember lots of Baylor fans complaining about how our athletes were treated by opposing teams at the time.
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IowaBear said:

If you really think it's just Texas and TCU you're being naive. Maybe we just tell the students to be quiet all game. To hell with creating a HC advantage. We need to appease the thin skinned folk on here whose feelings are hurt.
The uproar over fans rattling a guy (who shouldn't be playing anyways) is just silly. "no means no"and "17" are NOT malicious… much much much much worse things could have been chanted but weren't
sometimes a conversation can be just too nuanced for all to participate.
LIB,MR BEARS
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whitetrash said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

IowaBear said:

Pop Issacs is accused of raping a minor. I'll say it one more time so you can read it clearly… Pop Issacs is accused of raping a minor.
If you want to be pissed, be pissed that Tech continues to play him. Win at all costs.
BU is doing what EVERY fanbase would do. Why that makes some of you mad is rather confusing.
If you don't like I'd probably mute BU home games. Because I doubt the students give a crap that their chants hurt your feelings
I have he ability to be upset with more than one thing at the same time.

If I have a bad neighbor, worse than me, it doesn't mean I can't work on myself.

BYU has a great home court advantage without resorting to No Means No which, happens to be what was yelled at our players.
But they showed Horns Down, which in some circles is much, much worse.

Yes, Mr Bowlsby. That is correct.
LIB,MR BEARS
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bear2be2 said:

IowaBear said:

If you really think it's just Texas and TCU you're being naive. Maybe we just tell the students to be quiet all game. To hell with creating a HC advantage. We need to appease the thin skinned folk on here whose feelings are hurt.
The uproar over fans rattling a guy (who shouldn't be playing anyways) is just silly. "no means no"and "17" are NOT malicious… much much much much worse things could have been chanted but weren't
It's already been established that students don't have to be morons to create a home court advantage. BYU manages to create one of the best home court experiences in the country without doing so. And when their students do cross the line, they police themselves and hold each other accountable.

There are lots of ways to be loud and make opponents uncomfortable without using rape as a prop in your trash talk. It's silly and lazy to suggest otherwise.
Multiple stars
sicem2471
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This is why Baylor fans get made fun of. We have all these old *****s who wont even stand at a game because they don't want to offend the person behind them
LIB,MR BEARS
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Would it be appropriate to shout "no means no" at Trevor Bauer?

Wangchung
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sicem2471 said:

This is why Baylor fans get made fun of. We have all these old *****s who wont even stand at a game because they don't want to offend the person behind them
Yep.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

gobears20 said:

if he played for Baylor we would get torched.


And it would be just as wrong as it was when we did it. In America i thought we were innocent until proven guilty.


She was 17 and there's no denial of having sex, just whether it was consensual.

Legal? Yes. Deserving of ridicule? Undoubtedly.

They're freaking playing a guy while he's being accused of rape. We sat anyone if accused, not convicted. Don't have pity on a scumbag getting a tiny repercussion from away fans for possibly screwing up someone else's life while his school looks the other way because he's good at basketball. He wouldn't even be on the team anymore at Baylor.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

I'm all for boos. The louder the better.

I can do without the shouts of "no means no" and "17, 17, 17" or whatever.

Those shouts, as a group, make us hypocrites along with all the fans we despised for getting onto our football players. I don't want to be lumped in with them.


I completely disagree. Nobody ever chanted at a single Baylor player that had been accused of anything because we didn't play any. We SHOULD let the accused guy know he shouldn't be on the court. These are two completely different types of chants.
Reverend
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They'll shrug it off. And they should. Allegation doesn't mean guilt, especially when there aren't even any criminal charges.
Who are some of you voting for for President of the United States?
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bear2be2 said:

IowaBear said:

If you really think it's just Texas and TCU you're being naive. Maybe we just tell the students to be quiet all game. To hell with creating a HC advantage. We need to appease the thin skinned folk on here whose feelings are hurt.
The uproar over fans rattling a guy (who shouldn't be playing anyways) is just silly. "no means no"and "17" are NOT malicious… much much much much worse things could have been chanted but weren't
It's already been established that students don't have to be morons to create a home court advantage. BYU manages to create one of the best home court experiences in the country without doing so. And when their students do cross the line, they police themselves and hold each other accountable.

There are lots of ways to be loud and make opponents uncomfortable without using rape as a prop in your trash talk. It's silly and lazy to suggest otherwise.


How is everyone suddenly an expert at what byu does at all their home games?
LIB,MR BEARS
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Reverend said:

They'll shrug it off. And they should. Allegation doesn't mean guilt, especially when there aren't even any criminal charges.
Who are some of you voting for for President of the United States?
the innocent one
ABC BEAR
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IowaBear said:

Weird… who are these 31 players convicted ? I only know of 2. One of which never played a down at BU
"This is the West, Sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
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Who knew my innocent question would turn into a 4-page thread? Bizarre.
historian
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