That would be a great get!

That guy lit us up for 18

Can he defend?

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Can he defend?

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He is significantly better on defense than any of our guards last year. Decent to solid defender. Not overly explosive but decent athlete, good feet, and sound fundamentals. If he regresses.. something is really wrong with our defensive staff.

Let's get this done!

This is the mega acquisition we need at guard

Man I wish smh… 😭🤦🏾‍♂️ https://t.co/l584jjfEQh

— iam_jr20 (@Jeremyroach10) April 19, 2024

I will continue to bang the drum that I doubt there are any million dollar players in the transfer portal, maybe one or two of the 5 stars, maybe thrown out to retain a top player, but I just still have a hard time believing they're actually pulling that in the portal.

Common sense tells you he didn't go from a list of only 3 in Kentucky, Arkansas and St. Johns which are 3 of the most notorious for throwing around a lot of money right now to suddenly saying oh hey forget about all the cash they are offering and let me sign with Baylor a school and a city I've never even visited in my life without us offering a bundle of cash.

The interesting thing didnt people say he was declaring for the NBA? Now all of a sudden he is coming to Baylor.

He did both, declared and entered portal

Thanks

Go back and watch what he did on our game against Duke. I kept saying in that game we need guards like that lol

Nunn and Dennis did get better throughout the year.

Great news!

So all the build up yesterday and then nothing happens? No confirmation of this from Roach himself. Was all of this fake news or did we get outbid by someone else? Did he have a dream overnight that said he belonged somewhere else?

Hopefully Nunn and/or Little don't transfer if this pans out.

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Hopefully Nunn and/or Little don't transfer if this pans out.

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I wouldn't worry about Nunn. He got lots of minutes last year with a similarly guard-heavy rotation, and I think Drew proved to Nunn he has a very real role to play in this offense. Really we're just swapping Walter for VJ and Roach for Dennis.

I'm less sure about Little. He has to be thinking a step down in program quality will give him the ability to develop, because as is he's like 7-10 min/g guy, and he's never going to get better that way. Unless he takes some big strides this offseason he's probably the 4th or even 5th guard depending on how the offseason goes.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Hopefully Nunn and/or Little don't transfer if this pans out.

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I feel like Little you can convince to stay sit and learn there's a starting roll for him next year if he proves it.

Nunn on the other hand is older, and it's hard to see him starting over Roach, VJ, and Love unless Love is injured again. Which is why you want to hold on to Nunn... I know he was a starter last year but he was really off the bench minutes wise until Love went down.

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Hopefully Nunn and/or Little don't transfer if this pans out.

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I feel like Little you can convince to stay sit and learn there's a starting roll for him next year if he proves it.

Nunn on the other hand is older, and it's hard to see him starting over Roach, VJ, and Love unless Love is injured again. Which is why you want to hold on to Nunn... I know he was a starter last year but he was really off the bench minutes wise until Love went down.

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Love was the 6th man last year, and he will do that again next year. We will start Roach, Nunn, VJ. Love and Wright top guards off the bench. Little on the outside of the rotation looking in until Love's next injury.

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IvanBear said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Hopefully Nunn and/or Little don't transfer if this pans out.

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I feel like Little you can convince to stay sit and learn there's a starting roll for him next year if he proves it.

Nunn on the other hand is older, and it's hard to see him starting over Roach, VJ, and Love unless Love is injured again. Which is why you want to hold on to Nunn... I know he was a starter last year but he was really off the bench minutes wise until Love went down.

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Love was the 6th man last year, and he will do that again next year. We will start Roach, Nunn, VJ. Love and Wright top guards off the bench. Little on the outside of the rotation looking in until Love's next injury.

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I do not see how we keep Love unless he is promoted to a starter, when healthy the dude is a stud he would be starting across the country and it's not close when you compare him and Nunn. There has to bee a good number of programs across the country whispering in his ear come here and you'll start and play 30-35 minutes a game. Quite frankly that's not going to happen for Nunn.

The big if with this is if he's healthy which the way they handled his health at the end of the season makes me suspicious of his actual health. Maybe he's once again going to spend all off season with injuries. If love is not healthy yes it's Nunn, if he's healthy though Drew is not putting his best five on the court with Nunn over Love.

Even when fully healthy Love was our 6th man last year. It's not a knock on him at all, he brings instant offense off the bench but is a bad defender and doesn't handle or facilitate. Our rotation pattern is 8 top guys so it doesn't really matter who starts. Nunn is a more versatile player and is a better fit with the starting unit. We just have to knock on wood that Love can stay healthy and will still be effective after multiple leg injuries, that is my only concern with him.

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Even when fully healthy Love was our 6th man last year. It's not a knock on him at all, he brings instant offense off the bench but is a bad defender and doesn't handle or facilitate. Our rotation pattern is 8 top guys so it doesn't really matter who starts. Nunn is a more versatile player and is a better fit with the starting unit. We just have to knock on wood that Love can stay healthy and will still be effective after multiple leg injuries, that is my only concern with him.

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What Nunn did you watch last year? He was not a better defender than Love they were pretty level and other than a handful of games where Nunn got hot he was a drag on the offense.. Love was also a vastly superior passer and better at driving to the basket which is going to be extremely important in the hypothetical rotation being built.

If Love is going to be healthy this offseason he'll pass Nunn. He had passed up Nunn during the regular season until he went down last season. There's a version of our season last year where he becomes a starter over Nunn barring injury. The starting 5 couldn't get things done early in games as the season dragged on, getting subs in was just not realistic for a lot of that, but in a world where Love is healthy he likely gets started over Nunn to give the offense an instant start.

Unless Nunn somehow becomes a vastly better defender or ads a lot point guard skills to his game he's not the better player than Love and it would be foolish to not start Love.

He's saying Nunn will start. Not that he will play more minutes than Love. Before his injury Lone had passed Nunn in MPG but Nunn was still starting

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Even when fully healthy Love was our 6th man last year. It's not a knock on him at all, he brings instant offense off the bench but is a bad defender and doesn't handle or facilitate. Our rotation pattern is 8 top guys so it doesn't really matter who starts. Nunn is a more versatile player and is a better fit with the starting unit. We just have to knock on wood that Love can stay healthy and will still be effective after multiple leg injuries, that is my only concern with him.

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What Nunn did you watch last year? He was not a better defender than Love they were pretty level and other than a handful of games where Nunn got hot he was a drag on the offense.. Love was also a vastly superior passer and better at driving to the basket which is going to be extremely important in the hypothetical rotation being built.

If Love is going to be healthy this offseason he'll pass Nunn. He had passed up Nunn during the regular season until he went down last season. There's a version of our season last year where he becomes a starter over Nunn barring injury. The starting 5 couldn't get things done early in games as the season dragged on, getting subs in was just not realistic for a lot of that, but in a world where Love is healthy he likely gets started over Nunn to give the offense an instant start.

Unless Nunn somehow becomes a vastly better defender or ads a lot point guard skills to his game he's not the better player than Nunn and it would be foolish to not start Love.

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Love was the worst perimeter defender on the team last year. By a significant margin. And he managed that reality while having the easiest perimeter assignment every time he stepped on the floor.

Nunn [except when in foul trouble] drew the most difficult perimeter assignment every game.

As an aside: that last sentence about Nunn being a better player than Nunn is mildly confusing.

As an additional aside: the entire returning roster and coaching staff has a ton of soul searching to accomplish about their individual/the team's D intensity.

Love is the ideal 6th man who can come off the bench and boost the team's offense. He was elite in that role last year while Nunn started. It doesn't mean Nunn is the better player in a vacuum. In our system our top 8 guys are all playing starter's minutes. It's just a matter of roles and substitution patterns.

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IvanBear said:

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Crawfoso1973 said:

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Even when fully healthy Love was our 6th man last year. It's not a knock on him at all, he brings instant offense off the bench but is a bad defender and doesn't handle or facilitate. Our rotation pattern is 8 top guys so it doesn't really matter who starts. Nunn is a more versatile player and is a better fit with the starting unit. We just have to knock on wood that Love can stay healthy and will still be effective after multiple leg injuries, that is my only concern with him.

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What Nunn did you watch last year? He was not a better defender than Love they were pretty level and other than a handful of games where Nunn got hot he was a drag on the offense.. Love was also a vastly superior passer and better at driving to the basket which is going to be extremely important in the hypothetical rotation being built.

If Love is going to be healthy this offseason he'll pass Nunn. He had passed up Nunn during the regular season until he went down last season. There's a version of our season last year where he becomes a starter over Nunn barring injury. The starting 5 couldn't get things done early in games as the season dragged on, getting subs in was just not realistic for a lot of that, but in a world where Love is healthy he likely gets started over Nunn to give the offense an instant start.

Unless Nunn somehow becomes a vastly better defender or ads a lot point guard skills to his game he's not the better player than Nunn and it would be foolish to not start Love.

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Love was the worst perimeter defender on the team last year. By a significant margin. And he managed that reality while having the easiest perimeter assignment every time he stepped on the floor.

Nunn [except when in foul trouble] drew the most difficult perimeter assignment every game.

As an aside: that last sentence about Nunn being a better player than Nunn is mildly confusing.

As an additional aside: the entire returning roster and coaching staff has a ton of soul searching to accomplish about their individual/the team's D intensity.

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Corrected, it should have been Love and Love at the end of the sentence.

We were playing a lot of zone at the end and Nunn was just frankly out of position not drawing the best outside shooter. As you said no one on this team looked good defensively last year so I'll even grant you the assumption love is a worst defender, it's a meaningless ranking because they have both been bad.

I'm confused by all the assumption here though we'd leave a top 3 or 4 player on our roster on the bench. It was questionable when we did it last year. We all agree Love played more minutes than Nunn when healthy, it seems pretty clear the staff and everyone here agrees he's a better player. Last year's team had this massive problem of the offense being dreadful until we made the Love for Nunn substitution. If Love had stayed healthy he probably was a second team all big 12 type player last year and becomes a starter.

I know drew loves to bring a ringer off the bench, but it is never the same guy for 4 years. Even Acy became a starter his senior year. You do not put one of your top 3 players (who is a senior) on the bench. Outside of some new guy entering the portal at the wing position and us landing him our top 3 players coming into the season are likely to be Roach, VJ, and Love. If Nunn was some elite defender you could make make an argument for subbing offense for defense, but you're just subbing offense for streaky offense that didn't show up against good teams.