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I don't expect Josh back
Because of health?
no, there's probably a school willing to bet on him for a 2 year NIL deal. %A0Like what Louisville did with Aly Khalifa but that wouldn't have been a wise decision for Baylor coming off an ACL injury. %A0
Understandable, and I'm glad we're not going to make the mistake we did with Everyday Jon and Langston Love expecting an injured guy to contribute at top level again.

Having said that, Drew has to start recruiting better, I refuse to believe we have any culture in this program because we are a pure mercenary school now. %A0There is no culture, and there is no development of leaders without multiple guys returning and that developing over years.
Saying there is no culture in the program is ridiculous

It's not organic or self sustaining at this point, it's installed brand new each year by the head coach. %A0That's fine but its not healthy program culture like we had when we were making regular runs to the elite 8, sweet 16, and national championship.
Every single player that comes through Baylor preaches about how much of a family it is and how much better of a person it has made them. What has changed is the sport itself. It's ridiculous to act like the reason we have under-performed the past few years is because the culture has diminished.
I think the disconnect here is what we're calling culture.

I think our culture of JOY is real, but it's not the kind of culture others of us are talking about here. It's not the type of culture that keeps players in the program and willing to be coached hard and developed -- like you currently see at Houston or Tech, for example.

I value the latter more because building a championship basketball program is a higher priority to me out of my school's basketball program than creating disciples and/or a broad network of pro players.

Our culture of JOY used to work as a championship program-building tool. To the point of others being made in this thread, I think there's a very strong case to be made that it no longer does.

That doesn't make it bad. But it does it make it relatively ineffective compared to our peers.
The same Texas Tech that had one rotational player this past year recruited to Lubbock out of high school? The same Tech with only 3 notable returners this past off-season, just like Baylor?

A large majority of the lack of continuity the past few years was a collaboration of bad luck and NIL funding, implying that that is on the back of Drew is nonsensical. Not saying he's done a perfect job, there is a lot he could have done differently the past few years, but it is far from his culture's fault. Hard to keep guys that you'd like to develop over multiple years when they are getting calls from multiple teams offering more money than we are and we're losing assistants by the dozen
No, the Texas Tech whose three best players were all young (presumably multi-year) transfers that McCasland invested the time and money in to develop -- something we don't even try to do today.

Not every player on your roster has to be a freshman recruit who stays in your program his entire career. That's not at all the point I'm making.

But when all of your money and energy is spent on one-year players (many of them entitled as ****), you end up where we are today.
easy to keep guys from portalling when you can offer them the money necessary to outbid the teams that are tampering with them.
Maybe we should stop blowing our NIL load on three or four one-year players every season so we can use what we have to build a deeper, more sustainable roster.
you should really be on that recruiting staff you clearly have all the answers and know how much NIL is at their disposal
It's neither my job to recruit our roster or to make excuses when our roster is poorly built.

But as a lifelong Baylor fan and graduate of the university, I have every right to voice my displeasure with the current state and direction of our program.
100% respect that, no one is more harsh than me when I see these things. I am also very unhappy with the state of the program. As I said in the response above, I just don't think it's fair to pin it all on Drew
You haven't been around long enough to know that I've had problems with our recruiting strategy and roster construction since the national title season. I've received a ton of pushback for it here over the years -- by many people who have since echoed similar frustrations.

And while I fully acknowledge that NIL and the transfer portal have made it far more difficult to retain talent and build a developmental program, I refuse to ignore the fact that Scott Drew has shown (through his recruiting strategy) exactly zero interest in doing so since we hoisted the trophy in 2021.

We're where we are now because of decisions made two, three and four years ago. The chickens have just finally come home to roost.
The year that Drew brought in multiple 4 stars to play multiple years at Baylor on top of adding a 5-star and a starting PG? I get complaining about this last year but you'd have to explain your problems with that one
This was from April of 2022 -- after the 2021-22 season, which saw an excellent team derailed by injury. From there, we've continued to pursue five-star freshmen and one-year transfers at the expense of player development, and have had a series of increasingly flawed rosters as a result. I've always been about player development and roster continuity/maturity. Seeing us go away from those stapes after having a ton of success with that formula has always driven me nuts.

"I hope that in pursuing all these one-and-dones, we don't abandon the formula that brought us our national title. College basketball's a grown man's game and we need to save enough scholarships to get and stay old around the freshmen we're bringing in.

Elite high school talent is great, but as we saw this past season with Brown and Sochan -- and before that with Perry Jones, Quincy Miller and Isaiah Austin -- most of these guys are not ready physically or emotionally to carry an elite college basketball team as freshmen.

As consistently good as Kentucky has been under Calipari, they only have one title with their formula -- and that came only because they were blessed enough to have a couple of guys in Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who were mature enough at that age to carry a team. But those guys are exceedingly rare. And several of their attempts to re-bottle that lightning have been disastrous.

And I think a strong argument can be made that Coach K's shift toward one-and-done talent wasn't a particularly successful strategy. Only one of his five titles followed that formula.

I think we need to be careful here and view those guys as supplemental pieces to a team built around star juniors and seniors. Some of these freshmen will end up being main course guys, but most will be side dishes. And you don't want to end up with a meal full of side dishes -- or worse meal after meal of side dishes.

The get old, stay old strategy was the one that put us in an elite strata of college basketball. I hope we don't forget that as our profile rises."

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joenatty
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bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

IvanBear said:

joenatty said:

IvanBear said:

Ashley Hodge said:

IvanBear said:

Ashley Hodge said:

I don't expect Josh back
Because of health?
no, there's probably a school willing to bet on him for a 2 year NIL deal. %A0Like what Louisville did with Aly Khalifa but that wouldn't have been a wise decision for Baylor coming off an ACL injury. %A0
Understandable, and I'm glad we're not going to make the mistake we did with Everyday Jon and Langston Love expecting an injured guy to contribute at top level again.

Having said that, Drew has to start recruiting better, I refuse to believe we have any culture in this program because we are a pure mercenary school now. %A0There is no culture, and there is no development of leaders without multiple guys returning and that developing over years.
Saying there is no culture in the program is ridiculous

It's not organic or self sustaining at this point, it's installed brand new each year by the head coach. %A0That's fine but its not healthy program culture like we had when we were making regular runs to the elite 8, sweet 16, and national championship.
Every single player that comes through Baylor preaches about how much of a family it is and how much better of a person it has made them. What has changed is the sport itself. It's ridiculous to act like the reason we have under-performed the past few years is because the culture has diminished.
I think the disconnect here is what we're calling culture.

I think our culture of JOY is real, but it's not the kind of culture others of us are talking about here. It's not the type of culture that keeps players in the program and willing to be coached hard and developed -- like you currently see at Houston or Tech, for example.

I value the latter more because building a championship basketball program is a higher priority to me out of my school's basketball program than creating disciples and/or a broad network of pro players.

Our culture of JOY used to work as a championship program-building tool. To the point of others being made in this thread, I think there's a very strong case to be made that it no longer does.

That doesn't make it bad. But it does it make it relatively ineffective compared to our peers.
The same Texas Tech that had one rotational player this past year recruited to Lubbock out of high school? The same Tech with only 3 notable returners this past off-season, just like Baylor?

A large majority of the lack of continuity the past few years was a collaboration of bad luck and NIL funding, implying that that is on the back of Drew is nonsensical. Not saying he's done a perfect job, there is a lot he could have done differently the past few years, but it is far from his culture's fault. Hard to keep guys that you'd like to develop over multiple years when they are getting calls from multiple teams offering more money than we are and we're losing assistants by the dozen
No, the Texas Tech whose three best players were all young (presumably multi-year) transfers that McCasland invested the time and money in to develop -- something we don't even try to do today.

Not every player on your roster has to be a freshman recruit who stays in your program his entire career. That's not at all the point I'm making.

But when all of your money and energy is spent on one-year players (many of them entitled as ****), you end up where we are today.
easy to keep guys from portalling when you can offer them the money necessary to outbid the teams that are tampering with them.
Maybe we should stop blowing our NIL load on three or four one-year players every season so we can use what we have to build a deeper, more sustainable roster.
you should really be on that recruiting staff you clearly have all the answers and know how much NIL is at their disposal
It's neither my job to recruit our roster or to make excuses when our roster is poorly built.

But as a lifelong Baylor fan and graduate of the university, I have every right to voice my displeasure with the current state and direction of our program.
100% respect that, no one is more harsh than me when I see these things. I am also very unhappy with the state of the program. As I said in the response above, I just don't think it's fair to pin it all on Drew
You haven't been around long enough to know that I've had problems with our recruiting strategy and roster construction since the national title season. I've received a ton of pushback for it here over the years -- by many people who have since echoed similar frustrations.

And while I fully acknowledge that NIL and the transfer portal have made it far more difficult to retain talent and build a developmental program, I refuse to ignore the fact that Scott Drew has shown (through his recruiting strategy) exactly zero interest in doing so since we hoisted the trophy in 2021.

We're where we are now because of decisions made two, three and four years ago. The chickens have just finally come home to roost.
The year that Drew brought in multiple 4 stars to play multiple years at Baylor on top of adding a 5-star and a starting PG? I get complaining about this last year but you'd have to explain your problems with that one
This was from April of 2022 -- after the 2021-22 season, which saw an excellent team derailed by injury. From there, we've continued to pursue five-star freshmen and one-year transfers at the expense of player development, and have had a series of increasingly flawed rosters as a result. I've always been about player development and roster continuity/maturity. Seeing us go away from those stapes after having a ton of success with that formula has always driven me nuts.

"I hope that in pursuing all these one-and-dones, we don't abandon the formula that brought us our national title. College basketball's a grown man's game and we need to save enough scholarships to get and stay old around the freshmen we're bringing in.

Elite high school talent is great, but as we saw this past season with Brown and Sochan -- and before that with Perry Jones, Quincy Miller and Isaiah Austin -- most of these guys are not ready physically or emotionally to carry an elite college basketball team as freshmen.

As consistently good as Kentucky has been under Calipari, they only have one title with their formula -- and that came only because they were blessed enough to have a couple of guys in Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who were mature enough at that age to carry a team. But those guys are exceedingly rare. And several of their attempts to re-bottle that lightning have been disastrous.

And I think a strong argument can be made that Coach K's shift toward one-and-done talent wasn't a particularly successful strategy. Only one of his five titles followed that formula.

I think we need to be careful here and view those guys as supplemental pieces to a team built around star juniors and seniors. Some of these freshmen will end up being main course guys, but most will be side dishes. And you don't want to end up with a meal full of side dishes -- or worse meal after meal of side dishes.

The get old, stay old strategy was the one that put us in an elite strata of college basketball. I hope we don't forget that as our profile rises."

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Mitch Henessey said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

bear2be2 said:

joenatty said:

IvanBear said:

joenatty said:

IvanBear said:

Ashley Hodge said:

IvanBear said:

Ashley Hodge said:

I don't expect Josh back
Because of health?
no, there's probably a school willing to bet on him for a 2 year NIL deal. Like what Louisville did with Aly Khalifa but that wouldn't have been a wise decision for Baylor coming off an ACL injury.
Understandable, and I'm glad we're not going to make the mistake we did with Everyday Jon and Langston Love expecting an injured guy to contribute at top level again.

Having said that, Drew has to start recruiting better, I refuse to believe we have any culture in this program because we are a pure mercenary school now. There is no culture, and there is no development of leaders without multiple guys returning and that developing over years.
Saying there is no culture in the program is ridiculous

It's not organic or self sustaining at this point, it's installed brand new each year by the head coach. That's fine but its not healthy program culture like we had when we were making regular runs to the elite 8, sweet 16, and national championship.
Every single player that comes through Baylor preaches about how much of a family it is and how much better of a person it has made them. What has changed is the sport itself. It's ridiculous to act like the reason we have under-performed the past few years is because the culture has diminished.
I think the disconnect here is what we're calling culture.

I think our culture of JOY is real, but it's not the kind of culture others of us are talking about here. It's not the type of culture that keeps players in the program and willing to be coached hard and developed -- like you currently see at Houston or Tech, for example.

I value the latter more because building a championship basketball program is a higher priority to me out of my school's basketball program than creating disciples and/or a broad network of pro players.

Our culture of JOY used to work as a championship program-building tool. To the point of others being made in this thread, I think there's a very strong case to be made that it no longer does.

That doesn't make it bad. But it does it make it relatively ineffective compared to our peers.
The same Texas Tech that had one rotational player this past year recruited to Lubbock out of high school? The same Tech with only 3 notable returners this past off-season, just like Baylor?

A large majority of the lack of continuity the past few years was a collaboration of bad luck and NIL funding, implying that that is on the back of Drew is nonsensical. Not saying he's done a perfect job, there is a lot he could have done differently the past few years, but it is far from his culture's fault. Hard to keep guys that you'd like to develop over multiple years when they are getting calls from multiple teams offering more money than we are and we're losing assistants by the dozen
No, the Texas Tech whose three best players were all young (presumably multi-year) transfers that McCasland invested the time and money in to develop -- something we don't even try to do today.

Not every player on your roster has to be a freshman recruit who stays in your program his entire career. That's not at all the point I'm making.

But when all of your money and energy is spent on one-year players (many of them entitled as ****), you end up where we are today.
easy to keep guys from portalling when you can offer them the money necessary to outbid the teams that are tampering with them.
Maybe we should stop blowing our NIL load on three or four one-year players every season so we can use what we have to build a deeper, more sustainable roster.
you should really be on that recruiting staff you clearly have all the answers and know how much NIL is at their disposal
It's neither my job to recruit our roster or to make excuses when our roster is poorly built.

But as a lifelong Baylor fan and graduate of the university, I have every right to voice my displeasure with the current state and direction of our program.
100% respect that, no one is more harsh than me when I see these things. I am also very unhappy with the state of the program. As I said in the response above, I just don't think it's fair to pin it all on Drew
You haven't been around long enough to know that I've had problems with our recruiting strategy and roster construction since the national title season. I've received a ton of pushback for it here over the years -- by many people who have since echoed similar frustrations.

And while I fully acknowledge that NIL and the transfer portal have made it far more difficult to retain talent and build a developmental program, I refuse to ignore the fact that Scott Drew has shown (through his recruiting strategy) exactly zero interest in doing so since we hoisted the trophy in 2021.

We're where we are now because of decisions made two, three and four years ago. The chickens have just finally come home to roost.
What were your specific gripes with the 2021-22 roster? Other than Kendall Brown being a passive player who didn't live up to the recruiting hype, that team at its peak was probably as good as the National Championship squad.


Who had a problem with 22'? Everyone here knows that was the best team in the country. if not for an impossible level of things completely out of the staffs control we'd have 2 titles.

Nobody is blaming them for that.
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The site won't let me quote this with a response for some reason, but

Sochan was supposed to be a multi-year guy and overperformed, Langston was a multi-year guy just decimated by injuries. That 21-22 roster was built in the way that you are asking for the teams to be built, I still don't understand the gripe with it.

After that Drew brought in Josh O, Lohner, and Bridges who were all multi-year guys. The year after he brought in Miro and Missi who were both supposed to be multi-year guys and Nunn who was a multi-year guy. Then obviously this last year there was Celestine, Asemota, RW3, and Dubravcic who were all supposed to be multi-year guys. Drew is obviously adding guys with the plan to have them for multiple years, he's just getting incredibly unlucky (for the most part).

I do agree with the idea of finding the right guys to recruit instead of the most talented guys. That is what Houston does very well. And I do have gripes about the way past rosters were built, let me make that very clear. I just don't believe it's a matter of Drew intentionally building rosters the wrong way, blaming it all on him instead of acknowledging the staff turnover, portal impact, and luck aspect isn't completely fair imo. I do think he needs to be better, I'm just not gonna say it's all his fault.
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Yes, we haven't adapted well to the new era, but Drew's system was working just fine until a couple of years ago. If I'm going to have a one-year player, I'd rather him be a senior than a freshman. If we're going to shell out money for one and done players in today's game, it probably needs to be proven successful players that are several years older.
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This is about where I'm at.

- bad luck
- struggling to adapt to the portal
- poorly identifying good fits

Drew has a well deserved lifetime contract. I don't think anyone is calling for his ousting, just venting at the lack of maintaining any cohesion which is understandable. Here I am venting myself. It's tough bringing in guys to sit or play 5-10 mins a game because they frequently transfer out for minutes. Now we have a solid young point guard likely transferring out for more money.
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3rd school in 3 years for Miro.
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Probably should work on his 3 point shot more than his trying to move around. He had glimpses here but wasn't patient enough to get into the rotation. I can't imagine he is getting a big NIl deal at UCSB. Great place to live though.
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Skillings would be awesome
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Big12Fan2024 said:



3rd school in 3 years for Miro.
LOL. I went to UCSB for undergrad. In my days (graduated in '92,) they had a very good program under Jerry Pimm. Brian Shaw came out of UCSB after a few years at a JC.

Signature win during my time there was a late season home game in 1990 against Tarkanian's UNLV - with Greg Anthony, Anderson Hunt, Stacey Augmon, Larry Johnson, Moses Scurry, George Ackles, etc.
That was the UNLV team that beat Duke by 30 in the NCAA chanpionship.

Hard to imagine much NIL money at UCSB these days.


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Hey we're hosting that michigan state guard holloman. not like it would be better then rob though
Quinton
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We better see several of their guys enter the portal as their roster crowding makes no sense and they finally have guys in demand. If not, than looks like they're creating some kind of unique emotional tie that for whatever reason Bu can't replicate
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Quinton said:

We better see several of their guys enter the portal as their roster crowding makes no sense and they finally have guys in demand. If not, than looks like they're creating some kind of unique emotional tie that for whatever reason Bu can't replicate
I don't necessarily wish it on them, because it sucks. A lot. But I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they had 3-4 guys hit the portal this week.
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If anyone still cares about portal names to watch look for Dan Skillings, Tre Holloman, Honor Huff, Brady Dunlap, and Caden Powell. Nothing concrete, simply just some names to watch for

A couple of these guys are probably out of reach for us, just want something to take my mind of RW3 lol
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Haven't watched enough of Holloman to know if he is a good substitute for Wright. I don't watch much Big ten basketball. To painful for me.
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joenatty said:

If anyone still cares about portal names to watch look for Dan Skillings, Tre Holloman, Honor Huff, Brady Dunlap, and Caden Powell. Nothing concrete, simply just some names to watch for

A couple of these guys are probably out of reach for us, just want something to take my mind of RW3 lol
I like Skillings, even though he had a disappointing junior season. But we need real front court players at some point.

Rataj is the only size on our roster currently and he's more of a big three than a power forward.

Being from Waco, Powell should be an easy get if we want him, I would think. He's a true power forward/post defender who would help our frontcourt rotation.
joenatty
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RW3 is staying in the b12. BYU's NIL budget this year is gonna the highest of all time and stay that way for the foreseeable future.
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Powell is more of an offensive 5 man. Really good rebounder, gets to the line, and has some solid touch. Like you said, with him being from Waco I'd hope Baylor is in on him
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joenatty said:

Powell is more of an offensive 5 man. Really good rebounder, gets to the line, and has some solid touch. Like you said, with him being from Waco I'd hope Baylor is in on him
A block per game while averaging less than 25 minutes is better rim protection than any recent post we've had other than Missi, though Josh O made strides in that area this past season.

His length would help us on the defensive end, too.
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So he is going to BYU? Damn! Well that really sucks if so. I wish there was in conference limitations.
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BYU trying like hell to buy themselves a title. Bet it doesn't work
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Nope, just tearing down other schools' rosters by throwing out wads of cash

3-5mil for RW3, how are we supposed to compete with that lol
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Dybantsa is getting around 5 million too. Thee reality is that the nil era is going to make ByU relevant. Without Nil BYU is a middle of the pack team ant best. Unfortunately for them the current model isn't sustainable.
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Looks like Kelvin found LJ's replacement.
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Big12Fan2024 said:



Looks like Kelvin found LJ's replacement.
Bad player and worse person. Shameful addition by Houston
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IvanBear
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Are we currently making moves on anyone right now. I felt like there was a rush then a lot of nothing and we have a LOT of roster to fill out.
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Tell me you're not keeping up with the threads daily without telling me you're not keeping up, lol.
Yes we are.
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DaboBear said:

Tell me you're not keeping up with the threads daily without telling me you're not keeping up, lol.
Yes we are.
Some of us don't have that little P next to our names. It changes the threads you can see.
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I like athletes and he has multiple years. Could be like an Yves Pons and we could use a guy like that on the defensive end.
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Big12Fan2024
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The thing to remember about the portal is that some people with expired eligibility are still entering the portal in hopes of ultimately getting a waiver. I believe Lampkin is one of those. They may or may not ultimately get the waiver so I wouldn't get too excited if your team gets a commitment unless you know the waiver has already been granted.

He has already played 5 seasons (4 full seasons and 1 ten game season), all at D1, and he doesn't meet the requirements that currently exist for those to get an additional year. He's hoping he can get a medical waiver for the 20-21 year when he played in the 10 games. Someone may know whether he has or hasn't. I don't know for sure.
 
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