This was from April of 2022 -- after the 2021-22 season, which saw an excellent team derailed by injury. From there, we've continued to pursue five-star freshmen and one-year transfers at the expense of player development, and have had a series of increasingly flawed rosters as a result. I've always been about player development and roster continuity/maturity. Seeing us go away from those stapes after having a ton of success with that formula has always driven me nuts.joenatty said:The year that Drew brought in multiple 4 stars to play multiple years at Baylor on top of adding a 5-star and a starting PG? I get complaining about this last year but you'd have to explain your problems with that onebear2be2 said:You haven't been around long enough to know that I've had problems with our recruiting strategy and roster construction since the national title season. I've received a ton of pushback for it here over the years -- by many people who have since echoed similar frustrations.joenatty said:100% respect that, no one is more harsh than me when I see these things. I am also very unhappy with the state of the program. As I said in the response above, I just don't think it's fair to pin it all on Drewbear2be2 said:It's neither my job to recruit our roster or to make excuses when our roster is poorly built.joenatty said:you should really be on that recruiting staff you clearly have all the answers and know how much NIL is at their disposalbear2be2 said:Maybe we should stop blowing our NIL load on three or four one-year players every season so we can use what we have to build a deeper, more sustainable roster.joenatty said:easy to keep guys from portalling when you can offer them the money necessary to outbid the teams that are tampering with them.bear2be2 said:No, the Texas Tech whose three best players were all young (presumably multi-year) transfers that McCasland invested the time and money in to develop -- something we don't even try to do today.joenatty said:The same Texas Tech that had one rotational player this past year recruited to Lubbock out of high school? The same Tech with only 3 notable returners this past off-season, just like Baylor?bear2be2 said:I think the disconnect here is what we're calling culture.joenatty said:Every single player that comes through Baylor preaches about how much of a family it is and how much better of a person it has made them. What has changed is the sport itself. It's ridiculous to act like the reason we have under-performed the past few years is because the culture has diminished.IvanBear said:It's not organic or self sustaining at this point, it's installed brand new each year by the head coach. %A0That's fine but its not healthy program culture like we had when we were making regular runs to the elite 8, sweet 16, and national championship.joenatty said:Saying there is no culture in the program is ridiculousIvanBear said:Understandable, and I'm glad we're not going to make the mistake we did with Everyday Jon and Langston Love expecting an injured guy to contribute at top level again.Ashley Hodge said:no, there's probably a school willing to bet on him for a 2 year NIL deal. %A0Like what Louisville did with Aly Khalifa but that wouldn't have been a wise decision for Baylor coming off an ACL injury. %A0IvanBear said:Because of health?Ashley Hodge said:
I don't expect Josh back
Having said that, Drew has to start recruiting better, I refuse to believe we have any culture in this program because we are a pure mercenary school now. %A0There is no culture, and there is no development of leaders without multiple guys returning and that developing over years.
I think our culture of JOY is real, but it's not the kind of culture others of us are talking about here. It's not the type of culture that keeps players in the program and willing to be coached hard and developed -- like you currently see at Houston or Tech, for example.
I value the latter more because building a championship basketball program is a higher priority to me out of my school's basketball program than creating disciples and/or a broad network of pro players.
Our culture of JOY used to work as a championship program-building tool. To the point of others being made in this thread, I think there's a very strong case to be made that it no longer does.
That doesn't make it bad. But it does it make it relatively ineffective compared to our peers.
A large majority of the lack of continuity the past few years was a collaboration of bad luck and NIL funding, implying that that is on the back of Drew is nonsensical. Not saying he's done a perfect job, there is a lot he could have done differently the past few years, but it is far from his culture's fault. Hard to keep guys that you'd like to develop over multiple years when they are getting calls from multiple teams offering more money than we are and we're losing assistants by the dozen
Not every player on your roster has to be a freshman recruit who stays in your program his entire career. That's not at all the point I'm making.
But when all of your money and energy is spent on one-year players (many of them entitled as ****), you end up where we are today.
But as a lifelong Baylor fan and graduate of the university, I have every right to voice my displeasure with the current state and direction of our program.
And while I fully acknowledge that NIL and the transfer portal have made it far more difficult to retain talent and build a developmental program, I refuse to ignore the fact that Scott Drew has shown (through his recruiting strategy) exactly zero interest in doing so since we hoisted the trophy in 2021.
We're where we are now because of decisions made two, three and four years ago. The chickens have just finally come home to roost.
"I hope that in pursuing all these one-and-dones, we don't abandon the formula that brought us our national title. College basketball's a grown man's game and we need to save enough scholarships to get and stay old around the freshmen we're bringing in.
Elite high school talent is great, but as we saw this past season with Brown and Sochan -- and before that with Perry Jones, Quincy Miller and Isaiah Austin -- most of these guys are not ready physically or emotionally to carry an elite college basketball team as freshmen.
As consistently good as Kentucky has been under Calipari, they only have one title with their formula -- and that came only because they were blessed enough to have a couple of guys in Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who were mature enough at that age to carry a team. But those guys are exceedingly rare. And several of their attempts to re-bottle that lightning have been disastrous.
And I think a strong argument can be made that Coach K's shift toward one-and-done talent wasn't a particularly successful strategy. Only one of his five titles followed that formula.
I think we need to be careful here and view those guys as supplemental pieces to a team built around star juniors and seniors. Some of these freshmen will end up being main course guys, but most will be side dishes. And you don't want to end up with a meal full of side dishes -- or worse meal after meal of side dishes.
The get old, stay old strategy was the one that put us in an elite strata of college basketball. I hope we don't forget that as our profile rises."
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