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Mitch Henessey
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Mitch Henessey said:



In keeping with today's theme: Sue his ass, by Gosh! Oral contract, err something, something.
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Ewalker80 said:

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IvanBear said:

Are we currently making moves on anyone right now. I felt like there was a rush then a lot of nothing and we have a LOT of roster to fill out.
Things were bound to stall after losing the guy that was supposed to be the centerpiece. Visits are scheduled, guys are contacted, we're in a good position with some. We'll see how things shake out
I also suspect, until someone tells me otherwise, Baylor is threatening to file a lawsuit for tortious interference with contract against BYU. It has to be the case that Baylor already signed Wright or they wouldn't have signed the others. The threatened legal action might explain why the Wright BYU signing hasn't been announced. If so, it would also likely delay Baylor signing anyone else (b/c they aren't yet 100% sure Wright is gone and how much money they will have, and what they still need, etc.). This very conundrum illustrates the high potential damages in their potential claim, and why a TRO is likely warranted. Perhaps BYU and Wright's dad just thought Baylor would take this devastating interference quietly, but how could they given how much money is involved in this whole business, of which the decisionmakers are merely stewards.
Very seriously doubt this is the case. A lot of contact wasn't done with Rob, it was done with his father. There's very little legal standing for Baylor to cling to in this situation and if there was other teams would have already attempted to do so in similar situations.

The process just takes time, especially when you have to completely rebuild your roster plan half a month into the off-season


I'm guessing you're not using the term standing in a legal sense but Baylor has legal standing-a legally cognizable injury that is not unripe or moot (or subject to other various standing doctrines). If you don't think they have a viable legal claim for some reason I'm curious why and happy to respond with my thoughts if you are curious. But what people are saying about the lack of specific performance available as a remedy does not mean it's not a legally viable claims. Plenty of claims based on personal service contracts only have monetary damages available as a remedy. .
Yeah we already had RW3 signed on a contract for next year, but so have a handful of other teams with a handful of other players in the past few years. If there was something teams could do to stop it, it would have already been tried. Just because he signed the contract does not bind him to Baylor. Worst case scenario for him specifically is that he'd have to return any money that Baylor gave him upfront with the signing.

The hold up in him committing to BYU is simply just exploring the options. Nova and UNC also want him bad. I'd be surprised if he wasn't officially committed to BYU by the end of next week


Stopping it and having a legally viable claim for damages are two different things. And oftentimes settlements of claims are not publicly announced, and it's easy to see why it might be in the interest of all involved to keep the settlement confidential in a situation like this. Just because other teams haven't publicly announced legal claims or settlements doesn't mean they haven't been made, haven't been successful, or are not legally viable.
As I said, he'd have to give any upfront money back, but that is all that would happen. Teams do not and will not pursue something like this because there is no point in doing so, especially at this point in the off-season

Portal news is dry right now because the staff has had to refocus and, like Mitch said, it was a dead period. Baylor is being active right now with a number of available guys, news will start coming out again soon



I'm not sure why you are so confident about that because you aren't citing any sources. There are other potential damages I see here including the changing cost and unavailability of replacement players. If you're saying it just doesn't make sense to fight it for PR reasons you might be right but you are not providing any evidence in support. The lack of public news of other schools threatening action does not prove they haven't, as I mentioned. This is also a somewhat but not completely unique situation because of the timing and the amount of damage this potential interference caused to Baylor's financial position in the market. If you have inside sources to support your argument but can't share them that fact would be interesting to know.
Are you a lawyer? You're using some lawyer words but like this is not how people who litigate things think. The contracts absolutely allow for Robert Wright to dip out on us like this. Maybe there's a NCAA violation here but we all know how worthless that is. No way there's a contract violation.
Yes, I'm a litigator practicing over 20 years I can't opine on the viability of a legal claim without reading the contract, but as I said on another post, some lawyers that have looked into this opine that there could be a legally viable tortious interference claim for interfering with an NIL contract. https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3539&context=lawreview

And as I also said, any settlements based on such claims would likely be private, so the fact there haven't been public announcements doesn't mean there haven't been claims made, or that the claims haven't resulted in payment.

I also don't see why it matters whether the obligation is to the school or the collective. The claim would be for interfering with the contract with the collective by inducing them to breach it by promising a more lucrative contract.

So you're saying the collective could maybe sue but unless he broke the contract in some illegal manner (he didn't by all accounts) then I still don't understand how you could have a tort.
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IvanBear said:

Ewalker80 said:

IvanBear said:

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joenatty said:

Ewalker80 said:

joenatty said:

Ewalker80 said:

joenatty said:

Ewalker80 said:

joenatty said:

IvanBear said:

Are we currently making moves on anyone right now. I felt like there was a rush then a lot of nothing and we have a LOT of roster to fill out.
Things were bound to stall after losing the guy that was supposed to be the centerpiece. Visits are scheduled, guys are contacted, we're in a good position with some. We'll see how things shake out
I also suspect, until someone tells me otherwise, Baylor is threatening to file a lawsuit for tortious interference with contract against BYU. It has to be the case that Baylor already signed Wright or they wouldn't have signed the others. The threatened legal action might explain why the Wright BYU signing hasn't been announced. If so, it would also likely delay Baylor signing anyone else (b/c they aren't yet 100% sure Wright is gone and how much money they will have, and what they still need, etc.). This very conundrum illustrates the high potential damages in their potential claim, and why a TRO is likely warranted. Perhaps BYU and Wright's dad just thought Baylor would take this devastating interference quietly, but how could they given how much money is involved in this whole business, of which the decisionmakers are merely stewards.
Very seriously doubt this is the case. A lot of contact wasn't done with Rob, it was done with his father. There's very little legal standing for Baylor to cling to in this situation and if there was other teams would have already attempted to do so in similar situations.

The process just takes time, especially when you have to completely rebuild your roster plan half a month into the off-season


I'm guessing you're not using the term standing in a legal sense but Baylor has legal standing-a legally cognizable injury that is not unripe or moot (or subject to other various standing doctrines). If you don't think they have a viable legal claim for some reason I'm curious why and happy to respond with my thoughts if you are curious. But what people are saying about the lack of specific performance available as a remedy does not mean it's not a legally viable claims. Plenty of claims based on personal service contracts only have monetary damages available as a remedy. .
Yeah we already had RW3 signed on a contract for next year, but so have a handful of other teams with a handful of other players in the past few years. If there was something teams could do to stop it, it would have already been tried. Just because he signed the contract does not bind him to Baylor. Worst case scenario for him specifically is that he'd have to return any money that Baylor gave him upfront with the signing.

The hold up in him committing to BYU is simply just exploring the options. Nova and UNC also want him bad. I'd be surprised if he wasn't officially committed to BYU by the end of next week


Stopping it and having a legally viable claim for damages are two different things. And oftentimes settlements of claims are not publicly announced, and it's easy to see why it might be in the interest of all involved to keep the settlement confidential in a situation like this. Just because other teams haven't publicly announced legal claims or settlements doesn't mean they haven't been made, haven't been successful, or are not legally viable.
As I said, he'd have to give any upfront money back, but that is all that would happen. Teams do not and will not pursue something like this because there is no point in doing so, especially at this point in the off-season

Portal news is dry right now because the staff has had to refocus and, like Mitch said, it was a dead period. Baylor is being active right now with a number of available guys, news will start coming out again soon



I'm not sure why you are so confident about that because you aren't citing any sources. There are other potential damages I see here including the changing cost and unavailability of replacement players. If you're saying it just doesn't make sense to fight it for PR reasons you might be right but you are not providing any evidence in support. The lack of public news of other schools threatening action does not prove they haven't, as I mentioned. This is also a somewhat but not completely unique situation because of the timing and the amount of damage this potential interference caused to Baylor's financial position in the market. If you have inside sources to support your argument but can't share them that fact would be interesting to know.
Are you a lawyer? You're using some lawyer words but like this is not how people who litigate things think. The contracts absolutely allow for Robert Wright to dip out on us like this. Maybe there's a NCAA violation here but we all know how worthless that is. No way there's a contract violation.
Yes, I'm a litigator practicing over 20 years I can't opine on the viability of a legal claim without reading the contract, but as I said on another post, some lawyers that have looked into this opine that there could be a legally viable tortious interference claim for interfering with an NIL contract. https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3539&context=lawreview

And as I also said, any settlements based on such claims would likely be private, so the fact there haven't been public announcements doesn't mean there haven't been claims made, or that the claims haven't resulted in payment.

I also don't see why it matters whether the obligation is to the school or the collective. The claim would be for interfering with the contract with the collective by inducing them to breach it by promising a more lucrative contract.

So you're saying the collective could maybe sue but unless he broke the contract in some illegal manner (he didn't by all accounts) then I still don't understand how you could have a tort.


I think he just really enjoys saying the phrase "Tortious claim" …let him have his moment
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IvanBear said:

Ewalker80 said:

IvanBear said:

Ewalker80 said:

joenatty said:

Ewalker80 said:

joenatty said:

Ewalker80 said:

joenatty said:

Ewalker80 said:

joenatty said:

IvanBear said:

Are we currently making moves on anyone right now. I felt like there was a rush then a lot of nothing and we have a LOT of roster to fill out.
Things were bound to stall after losing the guy that was supposed to be the centerpiece. Visits are scheduled, guys are contacted, we're in a good position with some. We'll see how things shake out
I also suspect, until someone tells me otherwise, Baylor is threatening to file a lawsuit for tortious interference with contract against BYU. It has to be the case that Baylor already signed Wright or they wouldn't have signed the others. The threatened legal action might explain why the Wright BYU signing hasn't been announced. If so, it would also likely delay Baylor signing anyone else (b/c they aren't yet 100% sure Wright is gone and how much money they will have, and what they still need, etc.). This very conundrum illustrates the high potential damages in their potential claim, and why a TRO is likely warranted. Perhaps BYU and Wright's dad just thought Baylor would take this devastating interference quietly, but how could they given how much money is involved in this whole business, of which the decisionmakers are merely stewards.
Very seriously doubt this is the case. A lot of contact wasn't done with Rob, it was done with his father. There's very little legal standing for Baylor to cling to in this situation and if there was other teams would have already attempted to do so in similar situations.

The process just takes time, especially when you have to completely rebuild your roster plan half a month into the off-season


I'm guessing you're not using the term standing in a legal sense but Baylor has legal standing-a legally cognizable injury that is not unripe or moot (or subject to other various standing doctrines). If you don't think they have a viable legal claim for some reason I'm curious why and happy to respond with my thoughts if you are curious. But what people are saying about the lack of specific performance available as a remedy does not mean it's not a legally viable claims. Plenty of claims based on personal service contracts only have monetary damages available as a remedy. .
Yeah we already had RW3 signed on a contract for next year, but so have a handful of other teams with a handful of other players in the past few years. If there was something teams could do to stop it, it would have already been tried. Just because he signed the contract does not bind him to Baylor. Worst case scenario for him specifically is that he'd have to return any money that Baylor gave him upfront with the signing.

The hold up in him committing to BYU is simply just exploring the options. Nova and UNC also want him bad. I'd be surprised if he wasn't officially committed to BYU by the end of next week


Stopping it and having a legally viable claim for damages are two different things. And oftentimes settlements of claims are not publicly announced, and it's easy to see why it might be in the interest of all involved to keep the settlement confidential in a situation like this. Just because other teams haven't publicly announced legal claims or settlements doesn't mean they haven't been made, haven't been successful, or are not legally viable.
As I said, he'd have to give any upfront money back, but that is all that would happen. Teams do not and will not pursue something like this because there is no point in doing so, especially at this point in the off-season

Portal news is dry right now because the staff has had to refocus and, like Mitch said, it was a dead period. Baylor is being active right now with a number of available guys, news will start coming out again soon



I'm not sure why you are so confident about that because you aren't citing any sources. There are other potential damages I see here including the changing cost and unavailability of replacement players. If you're saying it just doesn't make sense to fight it for PR reasons you might be right but you are not providing any evidence in support. The lack of public news of other schools threatening action does not prove they haven't, as I mentioned. This is also a somewhat but not completely unique situation because of the timing and the amount of damage this potential interference caused to Baylor's financial position in the market. If you have inside sources to support your argument but can't share them that fact would be interesting to know.
Are you a lawyer? You're using some lawyer words but like this is not how people who litigate things think. The contracts absolutely allow for Robert Wright to dip out on us like this. Maybe there's a NCAA violation here but we all know how worthless that is. No way there's a contract violation.
Yes, I'm a litigator practicing over 20 years I can't opine on the viability of a legal claim without reading the contract, but as I said on another post, some lawyers that have looked into this opine that there could be a legally viable tortious interference claim for interfering with an NIL contract. https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3539&context=lawreview

And as I also said, any settlements based on such claims would likely be private, so the fact there haven't been public announcements doesn't mean there haven't been claims made, or that the claims haven't resulted in payment.

I also don't see why it matters whether the obligation is to the school or the collective. The claim would be for interfering with the contract with the collective by inducing them to breach it by promising a more lucrative contract.

So you're saying the collective could maybe sue but unless he broke the contract in some illegal manner (he didn't by all accounts) then I still don't understand how you could have a tort.



The claim would be against BYU for intentional interference with contract. Not against wright. Against wright they only have typical breach of contract damages.
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All this talk about tortious is torturous.
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Non-tortious news, look for a Juslin Bodo Bodo report in the coming days. Started every game at the 5 for High Point the past 2 years. Great rebounder with 2 years of eligibility left.

We're also bringing in Dan Skillings for a visit in a few days
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Juslin Bodo Bodo, sophomore center from Cameroon. 7'0", 240 lbs. Averaged 5.3 pts, 8.4 reb this past season.

Started 70 of 71 games for High Point the past two seasons, has converted 66.3% of his FG, but only attempted 3.3 FG per game this past season. He averaged just over 21 minutes per game in both seasons.

Highlights:

His FT shooting has improved, from 39.8% his freshman season to 53.4% this past season, but he's by no means a reliable shooter. I don't know that he's a starting quality big in the Big 12, without some serious improvement, but this is the type of reserve big a contender has for sure.
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Milos Uzan, UH Jr. PG, to declare for the NBA Draft. 5 of Houston's top 6 scorers from this year won't be with the team next season.

Only key returners are Emmanuel Sharp, Ja'Vier Francis, and Jojo Tugler. To be certain, that's a solid base to build a team from (better than what we've got), and their three 4-5* one-and-done freshmen are going to make them very talented, but that team isn't going to have nearly as much continuity as we're accustomed to.
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And just like that! Bodo Bodo has committed
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joenatty said:

Non-tortious news, look for a Juslin Bodo Bodo report in the coming days. Started every game at the 5 for High Point the past 2 years. Great rebounder with 2 years of eligibility left.

We're also bringing in Dan Skillings for a visit in a few days
Bang, onto the next

Another fun thing about Bodo Bodo is that he chose us over TCU even though they were assumed to be the favorite. Great first impression for him
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Any time we beat TCU in anything we can celebrate
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Did he commit to Will Wade before he even visited here?
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Mitch Henessey said:

Milos Uzan, UH Jr. PG, to declare for the NBA Draft. 5 of Houston's top 6 scorers from this year won't be with the team next season.

Only key returners are Emmanuel Sharp, Ja'Vier Francis, and Jojo Tugler. To be certain, that's a solid base to build a team from (better than what we've got), and their three 4-5* one-and-done freshmen are going to make them very talented, but that team isn't going to have nearly as much continuity as we're accustomed to.

Your point is well taken, but Kelvin said Uzan is just testing the draft to ensure he knows what he should really work on for next year and fully intends to withdraw from the draft. Of course, you never know. He may do well enough that it convinces him to stay in the draft and then Kelvin will be the one surprised. Also, UH is thought to be the leader for all Big 12 transfer Darrion Williams if he withdraws from the draft as expected. But, as good as he is, it still mirrors your point that Sharp, Francis, Tugler and Uzan (if he come back) haven't played with Williams as a teammate either so there could be continuity issues there. Particularly when you throw in Pop Isaacs.
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Old Dominion pg??
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He and Bodo Bodo played together in HS, he's just hyping up an old teammate
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Mitch Henessey said:

Milos Uzan, UH Jr. PG, to declare for the NBA Draft. 5 of Houston's top 6 scorers from this year won't be with the team next season.

Only key returners are Emmanuel Sharp, Ja'Vier Francis, and Jojo Tugler. To be certain, that's a solid base to build a team from (better than what we've got), and their three 4-5* one-and-done freshmen are going to make them very talented, but that team isn't going to have nearly as much continuity as we're accustomed to.
Highly doubt the PG goes league. Just a feeler for now and most likely they convince him to stay. If he stays in, would be the first roster issue they've had to work out in a long time.

They're already crowding their freshman out with veteran players so looks like Sampson will continue to keep young players out of the light as much as possible. Only one freshman might be slotted to start. They won't be able to keep the big on the bench but wouldn't be shocked if they keep the other two as 6th and 7th guys. The roster still makes no sense but the dude has a pull on these guys.. its his greatest strength in this era.
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Kanon Catchings to Georgia. Bummer. I wouldn't have minded picking him up, particularly because he has 3 more seasons left.
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Quinton said:

Mitch Henessey said:

Milos Uzan, UH Jr. PG, to declare for the NBA Draft. 5 of Houston's top 6 scorers from this year won't be with the team next season.

Only key returners are Emmanuel Sharp, Ja'Vier Francis, and Jojo Tugler. To be certain, that's a solid base to build a team from (better than what we've got), and their three 4-5* one-and-done freshmen are going to make them very talented, but that team isn't going to have nearly as much continuity as we're accustomed to.
Highly doubt the PG goes league. Just a feeler for now and most likely they convince him to stay. If he stays in, would be the first roster issue they've had to work out in a long time.

They're already crowding their freshman out with veteran players so looks like Sampson will continue to keep young players out of the light as much as possible. Only one freshman might be slotted to start. They won't be able to keep the big on the bench but wouldn't be shocked if they keep the other two as 6th and 7th guys. The roster still makes no sense but the dude has a pull on these guys.. its his greatest strength in this era.

Guys who are one and done expect to play. Not sure how that is going to work.
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GoodOleBaylorLine said:

Quinton said:

Mitch Henessey said:

Milos Uzan, UH Jr. PG, to declare for the NBA Draft. 5 of Houston's top 6 scorers from this year won't be with the team next season.

Only key returners are Emmanuel Sharp, Ja'Vier Francis, and Jojo Tugler. To be certain, that's a solid base to build a team from (better than what we've got), and their three 4-5* one-and-done freshmen are going to make them very talented, but that team isn't going to have nearly as much continuity as we're accustomed to.
Highly doubt the PG goes league. Just a feeler for now and most likely they convince him to stay. If he stays in, would be the first roster issue they've had to work out in a long time.

They're already crowding their freshman out with veteran players so looks like Sampson will continue to keep young players out of the light as much as possible. Only one freshman might be slotted to start. They won't be able to keep the big on the bench but wouldn't be shocked if they keep the other two as 6th and 7th guys. The roster still makes no sense but the dude has a pull on these guys.. its his greatest strength in this era.

Guys who are one and done expect to play. Not sure how that is going to work.


That's exactly my question too
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joenatty said:

If anyone still cares about portal names to watch look for Dan Skillings, Tre Holloman, Honor Huff, Brady Dunlap, and Caden Powell. Nothing concrete, simply just some names to watch for

A couple of these guys are probably out of reach for us, just want something to take my mind of RW3 lol
Hometown kid! Powell and Bodo Bodo are both great rebounders, Baylor should outrebound every team we play next year
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joenatty said:

joenatty said:

Non-tortious news, look for a Juslin Bodo Bodo report in the coming days. Started every game at the 5 for High Point the past 2 years. Great rebounder with 2 years of eligibility left.

We're also bringing in Dan Skillings for a visit in a few days
Bang, onto the next

Another fun thing about Bodo Bodo is that he chose us over TCU even though they were assumed to be the favorite. Great first impression for him
I like the Bodo Bodo pickup a lot.

It's been a minute since we last had an elite offensive rebounding/rim protecting true post player.

Omier did some of those things, but the defensive component, in particular, is difficult in a 6-7 frame.

Bodo Bodo gives us a Ja'Vier Francis type player to do a lot of the physical dirty work this team has been allergic to since 2022.
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gobears20 said:


There are a couple of KSU signings last year that surprised me, some big names in the portal that just didn't seem to fit with Tang's defense. This guy averaged 11minutes a game after playing almost double that at Kentucky.
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I'll take point guards for 500
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joenatty said:

joenatty said:

If anyone still cares about portal names to watch look for Dan Skillings, Tre Holloman, Honor Huff, Brady Dunlap, and Caden Powell. Nothing concrete, simply just some names to watch for

A couple of these guys are probably out of reach for us, just want something to take my mind of RW3 lol
Hometown kid! Powell and Bodo Bodo are both great rebounders, Baylor should outrebound every team we play next year
Just got Skillings too. Good player, lockdown wing, now it's time for the staff to start making sure we'll have some pieces for next season too. That's 5 guys in the portal now in their last year of eligibility, and Yessoufou who is expected to leave after one

Gotta find some guys that can carry over to next year with Carr and Bodo Bodo so we aren't in a full reset again
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Does anyone know if we're gonna purse Xavian Lee? Dude is a stud and we need a PG.
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ao_sicem said:

Does anyone know if we're gonna purse Xavian Lee? Dude is a stud and we need a PG.
Far too late to try and get in the race for him. It's already a 2 team race, guessing he ends up at Florida
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Ahhh yeah, just saw that he's likely down to 3.
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High potential player where it just never fully clicked. Maybe Drew can unlock him. Has an up and down motor but new scenery could be good.

Think we still need a pg but the team is potentially huge (size).
 
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