This is rock bottom

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IowaBear
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Well said. I think it's fairly obvious which fans have actually been paying attention the last several years and which ones are looking at records /standings only.
Baylor has been headed towards being a bottom feeder for a few years now. And frankly anyone who actually pays attention saw this coming. It's really not hard to follow the point you're making.
bossbowman
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Guess you weren't around during the Dave Bliss days...
boognish_bear
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Dropping...

Danielsjackson114
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Where are the Pollyannas at?
BluesBear
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boognish_bear said:



You think they will pursue Drew this Summer then???
boognish_bear
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Not any kind of analytics based ranking...but our perception is dropping

bear2be2
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boognish_bear said:

Not any kind of analytics based ranking...but our perception is dropping



Iowa State and Tech being in the mediocre tier pretty well invalidates this list. So does having Cincinnati as a great program and Houston and Utah in the same tier as "good" programs.

This list is pretty much ***** But unfortunately, I think he's got us pegged pretty well at the moment.
Big12Fan2024
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That list is a joke.

UConn has won 6 nattys in slightly more than 25 years. They are on the blue bloods list.


And Cal is a "Solid" program?

17-18 = 8-24
18-19 = 8-23
19-20 = 14-18
20-21 = 9-20
21-22 = 12-20
22-23 = 3-29
23-24 = 13-19
24-25 = 14-19

FINALLY - 25-26: 21-10
BUBradley
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boognish_bear said:

Not any kind of analytics based ranking...but our perception is dropping



oldbear69
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it was hard but even Landry had to go....
Quinton
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bear2be2 said:

boognish_bear said:

Not any kind of analytics based ranking...but our perception is dropping



Iowa State and Tech being in the mediocre tier pretty well invalidates this list. So does having Cincinnati as a great program and Houston and Utah in the same tier as "good" programs.

This list is pretty much ***** But unfortunately, I think he's got us pegged pretty well at the moment.


This seems more like a historical ranking than a current one. Some of the spots are kinda off (I value titles so Uconn should probably be moved up), but Cincy is definitely ahead of Tech, Houston, and Iowa State historically. They've got two titles, something like five straight title game appearances, and a higher overall win %.

Utah and Houston are pretty close historically too, with Utah having a slight edge overall imo when comparing objective stats. So I don't really have much of a problem with that one either.


Quinton
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Big12Fan2024 said:

That list is a joke.

UConn has won 6 nattys in slightly more than 25 years. They are on the blue bloods list.


And Cal is a "Solid" program?

17-18 = 8-24
18-19 = 8-23
19-20 = 14-18
20-21 = 9-20
21-22 = 12-20
22-23 = 3-29
23-24 = 13-19
24-25 = 14-19

FINALLY - 25-26: 21-10

Agree on UConn. They still don't quite have the same cache with the older crowd, but titles over all to me and they've definitely got those.

Cal is pretty solid historically, probably somewhere around the top 40. They never really sustained elite success for long stretches, but for an all-time list I think they're tiered about right.

Just off the top of my head, Notre Dame might be a tier too high, and BU (value titles a lot) is a tier too low. I know we're low on them right now but BU's overall stats are actually solid. Another title (2022) and I would leapfrog them all the way to good. 4 final fours and 2 titles would put them over several of those "good" programs.

LSU should probably be moved down a tier. WVU and Memphis are borderline. Purdue is probably right bc of great consistency. OU, Illinois, and Houston all feel really similar historically and seem like they're in the right tier. The lack of titles hurts them, but I don't really see an issue with where they're placed.

Texas is maybe borderline, but they've had great consistency over timestrong win %, high win totals, and plenty of NCAA appearances so they're probably about right there too.
bear2be2
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Quinton said:

bear2be2 said:

boognish_bear said:

Not any kind of analytics based ranking...but our perception is dropping



Iowa State and Tech being in the mediocre tier pretty well invalidates this list. So does having Cincinnati as a great program and Houston and Utah in the same tier as "good" programs.

This list is pretty much ***** But unfortunately, I think he's got us pegged pretty well at the moment.


This seems more like a historical ranking than a current one. Some of the spots are kinda off (I value titles so Uconn should probably be moved up), but Cincy is definitely ahead of Tech, Houston, and Iowa State historically. They've got two titles, something like five straight title game appearances, and a higher overall win %.

Utah and Houston are pretty close historically too, with Utah having a slight edge overall imo when comparing objective stats. So I don't really have much of a problem with that one either.



It makes far more sense as a historical list ... but also has far less value to any current college basketball discussion.
Big12Fan2024
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Quinton said:

Big12Fan2024 said:

That list is a joke.

UConn has won 6 nattys in slightly more than 25 years. They are on the blue bloods list.


And Cal is a "Solid" program?

17-18 = 8-24
18-19 = 8-23
19-20 = 14-18
20-21 = 9-20
21-22 = 12-20
22-23 = 3-29
23-24 = 13-19
24-25 = 14-19

FINALLY - 25-26: 21-10

Agree on UConn. They still don't quite have the same cache with the older crowd, but titles over all to me and they've definitely got those.

Cal is pretty solid historically, probably somewhere around the top 40. They never really sustained elite success for long stretches, but for an all-time list I think they're tiered about right.

Just off the top of my head, Notre Dame might be a tier too high, and BU (value titles a lot) is a tier too low. I know we're low on them right now but BU's overall stats are actually solid. Another title (2022) and I would leapfrog them all the way to good. 4 final fours and 2 titles would put them over several of those "good" programs.

LSU should probably be moved down a tier. WVU and Memphis are borderline. Purdue is probably right bc of great consistency. OU, Illinois, and Houston all feel really similar historically and seem like they're in the right tier. The lack of titles hurts them, but I don't really see an issue with where they're placed.

Texas is maybe borderline, but they've had great consistency over timestrong win %, high win totals, and plenty of NCAA appearances so they're probably about right there too.


Cal's basketball success was from 1929 to 1960 when they won Pacific Coast Conference titles. They won the PAC 1 time in 60+ years after that. The whole premise of "all time" is a ridiculous concept to begin with. Basketball of 1929 has no relevance whatsoever to the game today. Hell, black athletes couldn't even compete for many schools until the late 60s. It's like thinking Minnesota is still a solid college football program because they were a power in the 1930s. Not saying you believe any of that. Just the guy who did the tweet.
boognish_bear
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MSMBear
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Drew is a good coach but not great. He knew how to hire great coaches. Now he is being exposed.
Quinton
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The argument of modern era is legitimate. But success and a title late 50s to early 60s.. I would count it.

The fact their title team beat teams with Jerry West and Oscar Robertson is enough for me. I would classify them as solid.

I understand the disagreement. To go off your example, I wouldn't consider half the Ivy League to be on the best cfb programs of all time even though they've stacked titles 100 yrs ago.
canoso
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boognish_bear said:


What we would give for a negative index....
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IowaBear
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Didn't Toppin himself get like 4-5 million from Tech? That number for Tech seems Wayyyyyyy to low
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