It should be apparent after January 20 (UCLA) and January 26 (first TCU game) how this team will probably do down the stretch. I'm hopeful but agnostic right now. We'll see. This is a very different Baylor program and team than what many of us have known the last two decades. BU administration has definitely adjusted their expectations to fit the current reality. I probably never will, but will remain supportive.

Dcheetah said:

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No coach can win a championship without adequate NIL support

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NIL has only been around 2 seasons or so. Plenty of championships and championship coaches before that........including CKM.
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I literally agree with everything you just posted. I do not think that Kim won only with NIL. That has only been the major driver recently. I do think it was a factor in her being able to turn around LSU so quickly and getting Angel Reese. angel Reis had been forecasted to us and rescheduled to see us immediately after her LSU visit. And Kim was able to put a stop to that and make sure that she never visited. There was definitely financial incentive for that decision. I've said it before, but you can ask Brian Ethridge if you do not believe this. Anyway, I do not have to like her to think she is a great coach. I challenge you to find anything. I have posted that said she was not a good coach. Iloved Kim in the early days and most of her tenure here until she left. I was a fan until she tried to disadvantage our program on the way out the door. If you want to go back and look at my earliest posts, you will see that. Anyway, I'm tired of having this discussion over and over so I'm done. Merry Christmas. We can disagree and I think both of us are fine with that.

By the way, my comment about NIL was in regard to today's WBB recruiting landscape and does not apply to the past.

We are all Baylor fans and have great love for our university. Today there is only one thing more important than Baylor. Merry Christmas to everyone and may God shower us with many blessings. Peace and joy.

baylor1984 said:

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I'm talking National Championships not Conference and all the major players, Liz, Queen, etc. were Kim's players. Win one now and it will be CNCs as all but Sarah was brought here by CNC.

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Won a national championship is a ridiculous standard for hiring a coach, especially in women's basketball where three coaches have a huge percentage of the current list among active coaches.

Absolutely!

Mediocre looks for excuses
Winners find ways to make it to the Elite 8 or better 11 out of 14 years

Sic'em

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That's where you and I will always differ. You and a handful of others attribute Kim's LSU success to NIL. I attribute it to 20 years of data that support her as literally a top 3 coach of all time. She was always going to win big at LSU and yes Reese helped her.. just like star players help coaches literally yearly.

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Other schools with NIL didn't win that championship. CKM will win in whatever system or environment she is in, because she knows how to coach and win games. LSU will win as long as she is their coach. WBB is not a priority at Baylor anymore, nor even on SicEm 365 - just go look how out of date the women's basketball pages are and the lack of articles.

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I am pleased with coach NC progress. The program will keep improving. Truth is the landscape has changed no matter who was BU coach. SC and UConn already have losses this year. The 40 and 0 seasons are over for everyone. And yes LSU will have losses this season. They are playing weak competition and not crushing it.

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The program hasn't improved since Kim left. It has declined. CNC got behind in recruiting when she was hired and hasn't recovered. I will grant you that without the admin's commitment to NIL or the program, she won't be able to effectively compete at a high level. It may just boil down to BU can't raise the NIL to support any more programs than football and MBB. CKM would have insisted on adequate NIL for WBB to keep her program.

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fredbear said:

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I am pleased with coach NC progress. The program will keep improving. Truth is the landscape has changed no matter who was BU coach. SC and UConn already have losses this year. The 40 and 0 seasons are over for everyone. And yes LSU will have losses this season. They are playing weak competition and not crushing it.

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The program hasn't improved since Kim left. It has declined. CNC got behind in recruiting when she was hired and hasn't recovered. I will grant you that without the admin's commitment to NIL or the program, she won't be able to effectively compete at a high level. It may just boil down to BU can't raise the NIL to support any more programs than football and MBB. CKM would have insisted on adequate NIL for WBB to keep her program.

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If the first sentence I bolded above is factually true, then the second sentence is mute. Since she left before NIL really came about it is speculation and conjecture as to whether or not she would have gotten it or raised it here.

Any coach that came in after KM was gone was very likely going to be behind in recruiting. It happens all the time. Any pipeline KM had lined up prior to leaving blew up when she left. (And I believe we had only had three HS recruits the last three recruiting cycles she was involved in. This includes the last one she would have coached if she had stayed. And Dauda was, according to this board, wanting out of her NLI.) It would be foolish for any HS player that had planned on potentially coming to Baylor when KM was here to not be looking elsewhere as the reason they would have picked Baylor was first because of the coach, not the school. So, there was no HS pipeline when CNC came in.

And once again a potential recruit is going to see how things go with a new coach before they are willing to risk it. It is a miracle that Buggs and Bella signed on the next year. We would have been in a terrible situation if the portal hadn't come about, because our roster numbers and class distribution was in shambles after KM left as the transfers she had lined up looked elsewhere, as should be expected. Once the Smith and Egbo class graduated we were short on both roster numbers and upcoming underclassmen to fill the holes.

Personally I would like more information on our recruiting but as fans we really don't get that information until someone visits or signs and that doesn't provide visibility into what is going on with the actual efforts to develop a pipeline starting in 9th grade or earlier.

I don't think any of us know how much NIL we have (for all sports) and how it is distributed. Certainly the bulk is going to go to football and MBB as it probably should. You could very well be right in your statement about where NIL goes.

Last I looked, WBB is a team sport. Morris, Flaujae, Day, etc, were all star players during the tournament & championship game. Without them and the bench players, and their 3-point shooting, they don't win the Natty.

MrGolfguy said:

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10 days later, still waiting for an answer

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And you'll continue to wait, arrogant ass. No one in here owes you an answer for anything.

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MrGolfguy said:

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10 days later, still waiting for an answer

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And you'll continue to wait, arrogant ass. No one in here owes you an answer for anything.

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Whoa, hold on there. Look in the mirror if you want to see an arrogant ass. I simply asked you a friendly, honest question about a comment you made (2 weeks ago now) that you are, for some unknown reason, refusing to answer. And when you finally come back to me its with name calling. Doesn't really matter if you answer or not, i pretty much know your answer anyway. Good luck.

MrGolfguy said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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10 days later, still waiting for an answer

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And you'll continue to wait, arrogant ass. No one in here owes you an answer for anything.

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Whoa, hold on there. Look in the mirror if you want to see an arrogant ass. I simply asked you a friendly, honest question about a comment you made (2 weeks ago now) that you are, for some unknown reason, refusing to answer. And when you finally come back to me its with name calling. Doesn't really matter if you answer or not, i pretty much know your answer anyway. Good luck.

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Agree. Plus name calling adds nothing informative or persuasive to a discussion. It is weak, very weak when you have to resort to that. When you have to resort to that, you need to just not say anything, because anything you say is treated as trash talk and nothing more. Lends nothing to support your opinion, if you have one worth listening to. The boards should be about the topic, not the poster.

Support your arguments with facts about the topic, not trying to convince people you are right by telling the poster they are an arrogant ass or any of the other cute phrases some here like to use. It is juvenile and immature. There are lots of allegations made on this board to usually cutdown the program, staff and team. But it is rare to have the poster support those opinions with verifiable facts, some do, but most don't, but resorting to name calling as a substitution for such facts.

Golf was responding to a poster who said the wrong coach was hired. It seems to me that if the poster has that opinion it is fair to ask who should have been hired that could have done a better job. Then people can support or nit-pick that one to death if they disagree. Now, in reality it is impossible to say someone else would or would not do a better job. But if you just make the statement that the wrong coach was hired and can't or won't provide alternatives as Golf asked about, it seems to be you are not any better than the ones that made the decision in the first place that you are criticizing.

Dcheetah said:

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No coach can win a championship without adequate NIL support

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Anyone have any idea about her current NIL support? This is 100% the key now. Also, I still do not understand why her two main recruiting coordinators were fired here recently. I guess that could be good or bad. I guess they helped put the current team together, and I do not see this season finishing well (top 5 conference finish).

True Grit said:

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Dcheetah said:

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No coach can win a championship without adequate NIL support

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Anyone have any idea about her current NIL support? This is 100% the key now. Also, I still do not understand why her two main recruiting coordinators were fired here recently. I guess that could be good or bad. I guess they helped put the current team together, and I do not see this season finishing well (top 5 conference finish).

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Distancing herself from looming scandal. Those two did some underhanded, illegal things.

Has anyone ever asked in media what happened? Not that they would tell us, but I would expect someone to at least ask.

They asked in a press conference shortly after it happened. Collen declined to give any other details besides that they were no longer on the staff.