Let's be honest

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fredbear
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We were not ready.
We had no game plan
We had zero defense
Our new star and veterans simply expected the frogs to hand them the game.
The fans did their part
The bears allowed 2 TCU stars to have record nights
We did not lose a close hard fought battle.
We laid down like a rug.


I am speechless
True Grit
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I'm concerned about this loss spiraling into other losses. We have a tough closing schedule. Can't get blown out at home in front of a good crowd…
BUatbirth
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Luckily I wasn't able to watch. Checked the score towards the end of the game…which from the commentary, "the end" occurred early in the game. I was shocked at the score, but not too surprised. Disappointed. This team had an opportunity to have a huge statement win, at home, packed house, national TV…and we get rolled. I don't know all the ins and outs of the game. I'm not going to watch it to see. Despite whatever the issues…I expect a first place team, ranked #12, at home, etc…to play a competitive game. Haven't listened to the post game…hope to hear more than "moving on, tip hat to tcu…". Frustrating
mcleod66
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fredbear said:

We were not ready.
We had no game plan
We had zero defense
Our new star and veterans simply expected the frogs to hand them the game.
The fans did their part
The bears allowed 2 TCU stars to have record nights
We did not lose a close hard fought battle.
We laid down like a rug.


I am speechless

Collen cannot win when it matters. She's proven that over and over.
IowaBear
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This is a valid concern. This season was supposed to be the breakthrough. Luckily for her your remembered by what you do in March. I just have an incredibly hard time seeing this team playing in the 2nd weekend unless they get a really favorable draw
chorne68
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We really need a good center.
Quinimmo
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Today's write up in the Trib, did an excellent job of ripping her. Even talked about how the post-game interviews show lack of concern. This woman is here to collect a salary. A salary that's a lot more than she could make in the failing WNBA. She doesn't want it bad enough and even if she did, she doesn't have the know how to obtain it. Time for McNamee to quit fund raising and fix a problem. Lover Boy / Sideline Fighter Rhoades extended her thru 2030, but 4 more years of poor coaching and recruiting will have lost everything Kim Mulkey built.
Quinimmo
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mcleod66 said:

fredbear said:

We were not ready.
We had no game plan
We had zero defense
Our new star and veterans simply expected the frogs to hand them the game.
The fans did their part
The bears allowed 2 TCU stars to have record nights
We did not lose a close hard fought battle.
We laid down like a rug.


I am speechless

Collen cannot win when it matters. She's proven that over and over.

0-7 in Big Time games.
Delmar 2.0
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Quinimmo said:

mcleod66 said:

fredbear said:

We were not ready.
We had no game plan
We had zero defense
Our new star and veterans simply expected the frogs to hand them the game.
The fans did their part
The bears allowed 2 TCU stars to have record nights
We did not lose a close hard fought battle.
We laid down like a rug.


I am speechless

Collen cannot win when it matters. She's proven that over and over.

0-7 in Big Time games.

Yet she has a Big 12 Championship on her mantle.......your math doesn't compute.
I ain't quite as dumb as I seem
-- (P.C. 1974)
Johnny Bear
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Delmar 2.0 said:

Quinimmo said:

mcleod66 said:

fredbear said:

We were not ready.
We had no game plan
We had zero defense
Our new star and veterans simply expected the frogs to hand them the game.
The fans did their part
The bears allowed 2 TCU stars to have record nights
We did not lose a close hard fought battle.
We laid down like a rug.


I am speechless

Collen cannot win when it matters. She's proven that over and over.

0-7 in Big Time games.

Yet she has a Big 12 Championship on her mantle.......your math doesn't compute.

She indeed does to her credit, but like Aranda, it was largely based on what her predecessor left her.
Bear3
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And she went to Sweet 16 and has gone to NCAA every year and we hosted last year. And is still tied for 1st in conference. Open your eyes and look what has happened to Tennessee and Notre Dame when their HOF coaches left!!! You can also add Stanford to that list!
IowaBear
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Tennessee went to the S16 just last year… they've had success since Pat retired. Not the level during her tenure but let's not pretend Tennessee is just rolling in the mud. Same for ND. I think those that need to open their eyes are the ones constantly making excuses for CNC. I've long support CNC and still do. But there's very clear deficiencies in her coaching.
Bear3
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Yes Nicki is not a perfect coach and she also is not " just
rolling in the mud ".

Given the situation she came into following a HOF coach and the current NIL situation I think overall she has done well. Does she make mistakes, yes. I have no problem with people constructively criticizing her, Do I think she was a bad hire and should be fired, no.
IowaBear
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Who said she needed fired? Certainly no one in this thread. Seems to me a few posters (you're included) have trouble with anyone being critical of CNC. After last nights embarrassing performance it's absolutely fair to be critical of her. The coaching last night was pathetic by the way.
BearFan33
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I watched most of it. We were in it until the 4th Q. The biggest disappointment for me was the defense. We let the same gal shoot 3 after 3 after 3 with little resistance. Then on the few times she missed we wouldn't get the rebound.
Our offense has always been sloppy. I think the design and play calls are generally good but execution is usually bad. We continue to struggle with inbounds pass. We miss lay-ups.

We remain undisciplined.
canoso
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BearFan33 said:

I watched most of it. We were in it until the 4th Q. The biggest disappointment for me was the defense. We let the same gal shoot 3 after 3 after 3 with little resistance. Then on the few times she missed we wouldn't get the rebound.
Our offense has always been sloppy. I think the design and play calls are generally good but execution is usually bad. We continue to struggle with inbounds pass. We miss lay-ups.

We remain undisciplined.

Lack of disciplined play is objectively visible all across the BU athletics landscape the past several years. There are apparently no meaningful consequences for such play, either. That means there is effectively no standard other than "be nice and keep your nose clean."
True Grit
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We've got some tough games left and... on the road. We could easily drop quite a few slots in the conference standings. We need to regroup and finish strong.
Valkyrie
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I guess the grass is always greener somewhere else, but I would just like to see just one giant temper tantrum when the refs obviously blow an important call.
Bear3
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No one in this thread said Nicki should be fired but several have said that on other threads in this board. I don't disagree that both coaching and players should be criticized for this game. It was embarrassing. There were failures on both sides.
Delmar 2.0
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Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Quinimmo said:

mcleod66 said:

fredbear said:

We were not ready.
We had no game plan
We had zero defense
Our new star and veterans simply expected the frogs to hand them the game.
The fans did their part
The bears allowed 2 TCU stars to have record nights
We did not lose a close hard fought battle.
We laid down like a rug.


I am speechless

Collen cannot win when it matters. She's proven that over and over.

0-7 in Big Time games.

Yet she has a Big 12 Championship on her mantle.......your math doesn't compute.

She indeed does to her credit, but like Aranda, it was largely based on what her predecessor left her.

She was left half a team.
I ain't quite as dumb as I seem
-- (P.C. 1974)
IowaBear
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Also, I don't want it to sound like I'm dog piling on you, I like you and your thoughts. I just think this is an instance where CNC does deserve some criticism. But at the end of the day it's one game. She's got 2 big road game opportunities to steal one back.
IowaBear
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While true you're definitely leaving out that the half left was insanely talented
canoso
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Delmar 2.0 said:

Johnny Bear said:

Delmar 2.0 said:

Quinimmo said:

mcleod66 said:

fredbear said:

We were not ready.
We had no game plan
We had zero defense
Our new star and veterans simply expected the frogs to hand them the game.
The fans did their part
The bears allowed 2 TCU stars to have record nights
We did not lose a close hard fought battle.
We laid down like a rug.


I am speechless

Collen cannot win when it matters. She's proven that over and over.

0-7 in Big Time games.

Yet she has a Big 12 Championship on her mantle.......your math doesn't compute.

She indeed does to her credit, but like Aranda, it was largely based on what her predecessor left her.

She was left half a team.

Most of CKM's half teams were better than the vast majority of whole teams.
Bear3
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I agree with you that Nicki does need to be criticized for this game as well as players. It was an embarrassment on national TV. Criticism of coaching and play is deserved for this game.
fredbear
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Compare her post game to Vic's. He is broken hearted and miffed that his team has no heart. She just wants to talk about her strategy. NC's problem is the inability to adjust during a game. By her own indication in postgame, She intentionally dares the guard to shoot threes. Not a bad technique if it works, but after the 4th three, I think I would have closed that loop. But TS continued to play a mile off. Just like not adjusting to break WV press. I would have guarded the heck out of the superstar and made someone else beat me. Adjust. It is a chess match!
SirBearALot
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This may be a dumb idea, but why not put a tall girl on her when Myles crosses half court.Make her shoot over a tall defeender. Even if she dribbles around the tall girl, she has a long reeach and can disrupt her shot. And it would then be 2 point attempt and not a 3.
ctxbear
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I am one of those "Pollyannas" regarding Collen and, spoiler alert, still am. I love this team and trust this coach.

With that said, the TCU loss was tough. Real tough. I walked into Foster thinking this could be not just a signature win for the season, but a real momentum swing for the program's future. I walked out of the arena feeling we had taken a massive step back.

But I have two thoughts:

1. Our issues are structural, and all related to NIL. First, it's clear that TCU has made a decision that WBB will be a major focus of the their NIL investment, and it is paying off. That doesn't mean they are unbeatable, as has been shown by Utah and Colorado. But it does mean that, over the course of a season, they will prove to be the most elite team in the conference.

Second, from a coaching perspective, I think Collen was an excellent hire, but from a timing perspective, it has come with its challenges. Mack obviously made a decision to go with a coach who could recruit based on her ability to train athletes for the WNBA. And when the hire was made, the WNBA was the most lucrative league a women's player could aspire to. But very quickly that changed. NIL has now made the NCAA the most profitable league for players. So the recruiting advantage switched from coaches who could prepare players for the W to schools that could pay players a lot of money.

I don't believe either of those challenges are insurmountable. We can figure out a way to pay players more to attract better players (both in talent and, I think more importantly, in size.) And Collen is incredibly intelligent, so I believe she can adapt. But not without a financial commitment from Baylor that at least matches the financial commitment TCU has shown it is willing to make.

2. Somewhat unrelated, but it's been a bee in my bonnet for a while, and really came to a head at the TCU game. The Kim Mulkey issue at Baylor refuses to go away. I sat near some older fans whose vocal condemnation of our team when we are doing poorly are always at least twice as loud and intense as their vocal praise is for our team when we are doing well. These fans are still there, which shows they are better Baylor fans than the Mulkey-ites who stopped going to games and, if they show up at all, only show up on these boards to troll. But they still expect Mulkey-era dominance (particularly Griner-Sims era dominance) every game. One of them said on Thursday that "if Mulkey were here, we'd beat this team by 20." I almost lost my s!*t. Mulkey isn't here. She made a choice. It may have been an excellent and defensible choice, but the choice revealed that Baylor wasn't important enough for her to push through whatever issues she had with the institution. I'm ready to say to anyone for whom Mulkey is still a factor in your emotions, commitment, and stance toward this team, just get the f*c% out already. It would be better for your own mental health and the overall environment of our fanbase. I'm not saying that will make our women a better team, but it won't make them a worse team, and the experience will be far better for those of us who are actually Baylor fans.
IowaBear
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Glad to see Ctxbear decided he was judge and jury of this board. I'll always get a kick out of people who bring Mulkey into threads only to tell people not to bring Mulkey up.
BUatbirth
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Watched the post game…JVG seemed PO'd over that game. CNC…I guess she did also, in her way. I wanted to see more than just an analytical breakdown from her. She is all about Xs & Os…very technically minded. That checks out…she's has an engineering degree. All that is fine. But you can get buried in it. She mentioned making adjustments, but could have adjusted earlier. She mentioned, regardless of the called defense players have to adjust out to get a hand in the face of an open shooter.(paraphrasing) This struck me…I have always wondered how CNC's "pro" system, or more specifically, her technical style of coaching translates to college. Most everything out of her mouth seems technical. Gotta think that practices have a healthy dose too. Long winded to ask…could these players heads be filled with Xs & Os, "if/then" flow chart decision making, playing to a schematic over just playing the dang game?
Maybe her style translates well to elite W player, not so much college level? Am I completely off?
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