Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I never claimed the media isnt biased. It is. Some are far left, some are middle and some are far right. People choose what the want to watch listen to or read. If the media slants left overall (I believe it does and I have seen studies that put is as high as 75%) its because thats what the people want.. Otherwise the far left media sites wouldnt exist.

You did claim 99%. You made it up. You wont give a source because there is no source.

I never claimed anything about Soros beyond pointing out that Mothra said he had never mentioned Soros on this board and , in fact he has.

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It's probably more likely between 93% and 97%.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journalist_donations_go_to_Democrats

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-bias-left-study/

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I never claimed the media isnt biased. It is. Some are far left, some are middle and some are far right. People choose what the want to watch listen to or read. If the media slants left overall (I believe it does and I have seen studies that put is as high as 75%) its because thats what the people want.. Otherwise the far left media sites wouldnt exist.

You did claim 99%. You made it up. You wont give a source because there is no source.

I never claimed anything about Soros beyond pointing out that Mothra said he had never mentioned Soros on this board and , in fact he has.

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Yeah, ratings say it isn't what people want. CNN+ defunct in 30 days says it's not what the people want. It's what the owners of the media companies want and it's what the politicians that benefit from the leftist bias in the media want. Your denial means nothing, you get that right? You're asking people to disbelieve what they see with their own eyes every time they watch the television or movies. Every time they go on major social media platforms only one side is free to say what they want. Conservatives are censored overzealously. Your dream that conservatives even have a 25% share of modern media is crazy. But leftists always claim to be center and write off leftist propaganda as merely facts being reacted to negatively by conservatives. It skews your opinion.

So people are being forced to watch news they dont like? How does that work? How are Fox Nbws ratings lately? Carson Tucker isnt pretty popular? How about Mark Livine and Hannity and the Blaze guy? They dont make up more that 1% of viewers listeners etc?

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So people are being forced to watch news they dont like? How does that work? How are Fox Nbws ratings lately? Carson Tucker isnt pretty popular? How about Mark Livine and Hannity and the Blaze guy? They dont make up more that 1% of viewers listeners etc?

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That's ONE news outlet. ( I don't know who the Blaze guy is)

I'm trying to remember if any college football coach ever got publicly berated for wearing a CNN shirt in a photo.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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I'm trying to remember if any college football coach ever got publicly berated for wearing a CNN shirt in a photo.

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i would if I saw one..

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Four Pinocchios for Trump over what he said about his dealings in Ukraine. This is the leader duped conservative evangelicals think is God's choice to lead our country?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/25/trumps-pinocchio-laden-claims-about-joe-biden-ukraine-polls/

"We're putting up the bulk of the money. … Europe has to put up money for Ukraine also."
President Trump, in remarks to reporters at the United Nations, Sept. 24, 2019

Before giving his annual speech to the United Nations General Assembly, President Trump paused to speak to reporters about the growing controversy over his dealings with Ukraine. In doing so, he provided a string of false and misleading statements designed to obscure his actions and confuse Americans.

Before we tour through Trump's comments, here's a quick refresher. On July 25, Trump spoke to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Just days earlier, Trump unexpectedly ordered the withholding of nearly $400 million in military aid to the country, which is battling a separatist conflict backed by Russia on its Eastern border. What was said on the call is not precisely known though Trump has said he will release the transcript but Trump has acknowledged he raised former vice president Joe Biden, currently leading in the polls for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Trump originally said he halted the aid because of worries about corruption suggesting also that "corruption" by Biden was a concern but at the United Nations, he changed his story. Now he says it was because the Europeans were not contributing enough to Ukraine.

But neither of those concerns was communicated over the summer to anxious lawmakers who did not understand why the money was being withheld. "Administration officials were instructed to tell lawmakers that the delays were part of an 'interagency process' but to give them no additional information a pattern that continued for nearly two months, until the White House released the funds on the night of Sept. 11," The Washington Post reported.

With that context in mind, let's look at Trump's comments, in the order in which he made them.

"As far as withholding funds, those funds were paid, they were fully paid. But my complaint has always been and I'd withhold again, and I'll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine. Because they're not doing it; it's the United States. We're putting up the bulk of the money. … Europe has to put up money for Ukraine also. Why is it only the United States putting up the money? … Germany, France, other countries should put up money, and that's been my complaint from the beginning."

In the space of 24 hours, Trump changed the rationale for withholding the funds, from corruption to the claim that the United States was carrying the burden of funding Ukraine "the bulk of the money," as Trump put it.
But that's not correct. Europe has been a major funder to Ukraine since Russia annexed its Crimean Peninsula in 2014, often providing more aid than the United States. The European Union has provided more than 15 billion euros ($16.5 billion) in grants and loans to Ukraine, according to an E.U. fact sheet on relations with Ukraine. Meanwhile, NATO has its own military cooperation program with Ukraine, establishing six trust funds to assist the country in improving its military readiness. The United States provided $1.3 billion to Ukraine since late 2013, according to a 2017 Congressional Research Service report.

According to the [url=https://public.tableau.com/views/OECDDACAidataglancebyrecipient_new/Recipients?:embed=y&isplay_count=yes&:showTabs=y&:toolbar=no?&:showVizHome=no]Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), [/url]the top 10 donors in gross overseas development assistance for Ukraine in 2016-2017 are: European Institutions ($425.2 million), United States ($204.4 million), Germany ($189.8 million), Japan ($180.8 million), Global Fund to fight diseases ($44.8 million), Canada ($44.5 million), Poland ($42.5 million), Sweden ($34.6 million), Britain ($31.6 million) and Switzerland ($29.6 million).

Trump would be on more solid ground if he had kept his complaint strictly to military aid. "The United States is the largest provider of military aid to Ukraine," said John Herbst, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine now at the Atlantic Council. He said there was "skittishness" among many European countries that "don't want to provoke Russia," with mainly Britain, Poland, Baltic nations and Canada joining the United States in contributing military aid. But this is how the aid burden is usually divided between the United States and the Europeans, with the United States providing the muscle and Europe providing the "soft power" to stabilize troubled nations.

"This is Trump's third rationale" for delaying the aid, Herbst noted. "If it's Tuesday, it must be because of the Europeans."

At the very least, Trump's constantly changing explanations for why he delayed the aid suggest he's not being forthright about the real reason.

"I'm leading in the polls; they have no idea how they stop me."
Just about every poll has Trump trailing many of his Democratic rivals, in particular Biden. Biden led Trump by 15 percentage points in a Fox News poll, 8 points in a SurveyUSA poll, and 15 points in a Post-ABC News poll. (Caveat: Polls at this point in the election cycle are not especially informative.)

"The only way they can try is through impeachment. This has never happened to a president before."
One president, Bill Clinton, was impeached by the House during Trump's lifetime; he was acquitted by the Senate. Another, Richard Nixon, resigned in 1974 after articles of impeachment were approved by the House Judiciary Committee. A third president, Andrew Johnson, was impeached in 1868; he was also acquitted by the Senate.

"That call was perfect. It couldn't have been nicer. And even the Ukrainian government put out a statement that that was a perfect call."

Trump appears to be referring to an interview by Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko with Hromadske, a Ukrainian Internet television station. In the interview, he struck a careful balance, trying not to take sides between the administration and Congress.

"American investigators have the full right to turn to the U.S. and to get this information," Prystaiko said. "If they think that our president has been pressured, they can establish this. I know what they spoke about, and I don't think there was any coercion. There was a talk, talks can be on different topics, leaders have the right to talk about any problems they wish. This conversation was long, it was friendly, and it touched on a lot of questions, some of which required rather serious answers."

Prystaiko obviously is trying to be diplomatic. He did not describe the call as "perfect."

Zelensky appears to have had a different impression. Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who spoke with Zelensky during an early September visit to Ukraine, said the Ukrainian president "directly" expressed concerns at their meeting that "the aid that was being cut off to Ukraine by the president was a consequence" of his unwillingness to launch an investigation into the Bidens, The Post reported.

The official Ukrainian readout of the call, issued July 25, had this interesting line: "Donald Trump is convinced that the new Ukrainian government will be able to quickly improve image of Ukraine, complete investigation of corruption cases, which inhibited the interaction between Ukraine and the USA."

"There was no pressure put on them whatsoever. But there was pressure put on with respect to Joe Biden. What Joe Biden did for his son, that's something they should be looking at."

Here, Trump continues his misleading effort to suggest that Biden somehow was involved in corruption. But we fact-checked these allegations in May and found they did not add up. In fact, Biden's case has gotten stronger with time.

Trump repeatedly has falsely claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating Ukraine's largest private gas company, Burisma, which had added Biden's son, Hunter, to its board.

But it turns out that the investigation had already been shelved when Biden acted and may have even involved a side company, not Burisma. Hunter Biden, who served on the board for five years, was not accused of any wrongdoing in the investigation. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and "Joe Biden's efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised," said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms.

"Shokin was not investigating. He didn't want to investigate Burisma," Daria Kaleniuk of the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Action Center told The Washington Post in July. "And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation."

Shokin was ousted three months after Biden's visit. "Bowing to pressure from international donors, the Ukrainian Parliament voted on Tuesday to remove a prosecutor general who had clung to power for months despite visible signs of corruption," the New York Times reported at the time. "The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite."

Moreover, Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden.
By continuing to claim that Biden "did" something for his son, Trump persists in spreading a false narrative about a diplomatic maneuver hailed at the time as a step toward reducing corruption in Ukraine.

The Pinocchio Test
In the space of minutes, President Trump told falsehoods about aid to Ukraine, his standing in the polls, the history of impeachment, impressions of his phone call and of course the role that Biden played in trying to root out corruption in Ukraine.

It adds up to Four Pinocchios.

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1 Pinocchio for each x gas has increased since yo boy Biden can't even read a teleprompter like Obama did at us was "Elected".

That's 4 pinnoch's

Thanks Biden and thanks fools and dead people.

Wangchung said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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So people are being forced to watch news they dont like? How does that work? How are Fox Nbws ratings lately? Carson Tucker isnt pretty popular? How about Mark Livine and Hannity and the Blaze guy? They dont make up more that 1% of viewers listeners etc?

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That's ONE news outlet. ( I don't know who the Blaze guy is)

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Glenn Beck

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Wangchung said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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So people are being forced to watch news they dont like? How does that work? How are Fox Nbws ratings lately? Carson Tucker isnt pretty popular? How about Mark Livine and Hannity and the Blaze guy? They dont make up more that 1% of viewers listeners etc?

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That's ONE news outlet. ( I don't know who the Blaze guy is)

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Glenn Beck

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Ah, the "I'm just asking questions" guy.

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J.R. said:

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This has nothing to do with Trump or Biden. It has to do with 2 things. 1) Putin want to get the band back together 2) secondly and more important is the price of oil. If you look the 3 times that Putin invaded Georgia and Crimea, the pice of oil was $100/ barrel or more. Guess where oil is today? $100 per barrel. Oil was some where from $20-$50 during Trump. The money the Kremlin makes at $100 oil is just obscene as Oil and Gas are 35%-40% of Russia's GDP. That is why he invaded now, not that he was fearful of Trump and Biden is a pushover.

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So the price of oil has nothing to do with the polices of the current president?

Wow. Two of the dumbest takes on this board in the same thread.

Let me also remind you that when our enemies think the administration is feckless, it emboldens them and causes them to do certain things that they otherwise wouldn't. See the Jimmy Carter administration. Do you think it's a coincidence that I ran released our hostages when Reagan won the presidency?

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There have always been rumors that the Iran/Contra affair sprang out of a deal between Reagan and the Iranians. It can never be confirmed obviously because Reagan investigated himself and documents were "lost", but we do know their official explanation that it was to free hostages in Lebanon was BS (arms started flowing right after Reagan got in, years before those hostages were ever taken). Carter slapped an embargo on Iran, so the theory goes Reagan came in and quietly promised them the arms (really spare parts for them mostly) if they released the hostages under his admin.

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No surprise you favor conspiracy theories over facts. It's what you do.

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An old post, but the news is new.

“I just want history to reflect that Carter got a little bit of a bad deal about the hostages"--renowned Texas fixer Ben Barnes, who helped convey to Iran not to release the hostages 'til Reagan was elected. @peterbakernyt uncovers the 4-decade secret: https://t.co/cJPFG5AVCw

— Robert Draper (@DraperRobert) March 19, 2023

J.R. said:

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This has nothing to do with Trump or Biden. It has to do with 2 things. 1) Putin want to get the band back together 2) secondly and more important is the price of oil. If you look the 3 times that Putin invaded Georgia and Crimea, the pice of oil was $100/ barrel or more. Guess where oil is today? $100 per barrel. Oil was some where from $20-$50 during Trump. The money the Kremlin makes at $100 oil is just obscene as Oil and Gas are 35%-40% of Russia's GDP. That is why he invaded now, not that he was fearful of Trump and Biden is a pushover.

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It has a lot to do with Trump. Trump was unpredictable and Putin, as well as Xi, didn't get where they are not knowing the reaction of their main adversary. In this case, Trump was a positive in the dealings with Russia and China. Obama & Biden are much more predictable and willing to use and side with diplomats.

So, both Putin and Xi pretty much know how the US will react and how far they will go. Trump may have Tomahawked Moscow, done nothing or cut a deal who the hell knows. People at that level do not make strategic moves with wildcard variables out there.

Gotta give Joe Biden some credit. He is consistent. Every single thing the man touches turns to $ h ! t!!!!!

People get the government they deserve. Obviously we don't deserve much.