Haven't had to. Others have effectively demonstrated the absurdity of your position.Osodecentx said:I've made a number of posts explaining my opinion. You've made none to refute itMothra said:It seemed like an appropriate response to, "So far, yes." It's not as if you made much of an argument to retort. Pretty much every argument you've made has been thoroughly refuted at this point.Osodecentx said:But of course have no retort.Mothra said:
Maybe call your buddy Sam to help you out.
Biden mostly right on Ukraine
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Just yours on this thread. The entire thread is one big turd.Osodecentx said:Yours too?Mothra said:A saying about opinions and *******s comes to mind.Osodecentx said:It's my opinion.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he"
OK, where is your evidence supporting that claim?
that's the funniest **** I've read all day.Osodecentx said:
I believe Biden has handled Ukraine, Russia and NATO about right. This crisis required coalition and a coalition requires persuasion. I don't believe Trump could have brought NATYO and the rest of the world together on the sanctions.
We don't need a cowboy or a bully for this one.
So far, so good. Credit where credit is due.
Osodecentx said:See responses above in BoldCanada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . Maybe, but he isn't very smart in any case One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Agreed Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with? I was a reluctant Trump voter They helped CAUSE this nightmare . Agreed, but my OP is limited to the time AFTER Putin invadedOsodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. Trump tried to blow up NATO This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAIN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
I'm curious about your reference to India. Do you have a link for that?
"Trump tried to blow up NATO This is all about national self interest ....see Germany."
I am not sure this is an accurate statement, all he asked was for Europe to pay what they agreed. Mattis, not exactly a fan of Trump, apparently did not think Trump was leaving NATO bad off, let along blowing it up.
Mattis Slaps Down MSNBC On NATO: Uh, It's Stronger Under Trump (townhall.com)
Canon said:Canada2017 said:Canon said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I respectfully disagree, Sir. History tells us the Germans have never met a war they didn't like. It is a part of their DNA.Canada2017 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
Don't bother. He's the Sam Lowry of nuclear war. We're all gonna die!!!!
Says the Karen who freaks out at a barber shop over language .
Oh yeah that's rational.
Lighten up Francis. And look up 'freak out'. Taking hyperbole completely seriously is a real character defect.
Means so much coming from a guy who publicly whines about a miniscule disagreement with a barber ........then repeatedly announces how our country needs a war to remove people and customs you dislike .
Kiddo., somebody.......somewhere did a royal number on you .
While you are at it, look up "whine", "disagreement" and "hyperbole". You are way off the rails, Francis.Canada2017 said:Canon said:Canada2017 said:Canon said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I respectfully disagree, Sir. History tells us the Germans have never met a war they didn't like. It is a part of their DNA.Canada2017 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
Don't bother. He's the Sam Lowry of nuclear war. We're all gonna die!!!!
Says the Karen who freaks out at a barber shop over language .
Oh yeah that's rational.
Lighten up Francis. And look up 'freak out'. Taking hyperbole completely seriously is a real character defect.
Means so much coming from a guy who publicly whines about a miniscule disagreement with a barber ........then repeatedly announces how our country needs a war to remove people and customs you dislike .
Kiddo., somebody.......somewhere did a royal number on you .
Yeah......one of us is off the rails routinely .Canon said:While you are at it, look up "whine", "disagreement" and "hyperbole". You are way off the rails, Francis.Canada2017 said:Canon said:Canada2017 said:Canon said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I respectfully disagree, Sir. History tells us the Germans have never met a war they didn't like. It is a part of their DNA.Canada2017 said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Agree with you here, Sir. At some point, someone is going to have to have the balls to stop Putin. He is getting desperate. He has no regard for innocent civilians which includes women, children, and journalists. Should he take Ukraine, he will keep going. Traditionally the world has looked the U.S. for leadership and guidance. With this President, that is just not possible. Someone else is going to have to step up and make the decision to stop him.Oldbear83 said:
Oso: "I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spot."
That's where the problem lies. There is solid reason to believe that if Trump were still President, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine, so that the current 'spot' as you call it would not have even occurred.
It's as if you are trying to find something you can credit Biden for doing right, but frankly that's like praising a drunk driver who totals his car for not taking out any innocent lives.
Joe Biden has mishandled every aspect of this crisis, from constant signals of weakness and no intention of stopping Putin, to half-hearted gestures copying actions started by other world leaders.
There's just nothing to really give Joe credit for getting right. Nothing at all.
As of this moment .....I believe Germany would opt out of NATO.
Don't bother. He's the Sam Lowry of nuclear war. We're all gonna die!!!!
Says the Karen who freaks out at a barber shop over language .
Oh yeah that's rational.
Lighten up Francis. And look up 'freak out'. Taking hyperbole completely seriously is a real character defect.
Means so much coming from a guy who publicly whines about a miniscule disagreement with a barber ........then repeatedly announces how our country needs a war to remove people and customs you dislike .
Kiddo., somebody.......somewhere did a royal number on you .
Hence the need to constantly change user names .
Biden mostly right on Ukraine, Trump horrifically wrong on Ukraine
So after Putin had spent weeks positioning his troops along the Ukrainian border........it was still correct for the Vice President to publicly encourage Ukraine to join NATO ?jupiter said:
Biden mostly right on Ukraine, Trump horrifically wrong on Ukraine
In times like these, playing well with others isn't necessarily the answer. Biden hasn't rallied NATO countries, Putin has. In fact Biden is trying to "play well" with the likes of Iran and Venezuela as an answer to an existential crisis involving multiple powerful enemies. I mean, anyone remember who has carried the water in trade and at the UN for Iran and Venezuela? Countries named China and Russia. For goodness sakes, Russia and Iran are running joint military ops in Syria! This admin is looking like desperate clowns.Osodecentx said:Playing well with others is not Trump's strong suit. He is not temperamentally suited for situations that require delicacy. So far, so good.Mothra said:Asking NATO countries to pay the financial commitment they had previously agreed to pay instead of their continued mooching off of the United States certainly ruffled some feathers, but it was a long step from "trying to blow up NATO." There simply is no evidence of that.Osodecentx said:Canada2017 said:Trump tried to blow up NATOOsodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
jupiter said:
Biden mostly right on Ukraine, Trump horrifically wrong on Ukraine
Lol. You live in an alternate reality.
jupiter said:
Biden mostly right on Ukraine, Trump horrifically wrong on Ukraine
Ok, if this is not sarcasm I need an explanation. Biden = Giggles and invasion
Trump = crass behavior, but no invasion
So the nation being invaded is better than Trumps classlessness? I think the people of Ukraine may disagree.
Default?Canada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with ? They helped CAUSE this nightmare .Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
From WSJ:
Bond Markets Forecast Long Financial Freeze for Russia
As default fears mount, Russian bonds are trading at prices near the low-water mark set by Argentina
Judging by the bond market, it will take years for Russia to re-enter the global financial system.
Russian government bonds fell below 10 cents on the dollar last week, putting the country's debt on par with Venezuela, which collapsed into famine five years ago. The valuation is near the low-water mark on bonds set by serial defaulter Argentina, which took 15 years to repay creditors after a bitter legal battle with hedge funds.
The country faces a key interest payment on dollar-denominated bonds Wednesday, and Russia's Finance Ministry has sent investors conflicting messages about whether it intends to give them dollars or rubles. The uncertainty sparked concerns that a payment in rubles could result in a default and speculation about what legal remedies creditors might pursue.
Fund managers are also debating how long it would take creditors to recover their money and are concerned about the reputational taint that hangs over all Russian assets, from stocks and bonds to oil and beer.
Russian bonds had investment-grade ratings and traded around 100 cents on the dollar until the country invaded Ukraine, triggering unprecedented financial sanctions by the U.S. and European countries. The Kremlin responded with measures including a block on bond payments in foreign currencies such as dollars and euros that stoked expectations of a default.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bond-markets-forecast-long-financial-freeze-for-russia-11647344890?mod=Searchresults_pos2&page=1
Do you think they will convert to Chinese market? Will the Chinese honor the bonds? I do not know enough about this to speculate. But, it would seem Putin and Xi must have a plan to deal with this as everyone knew sanctions were coming.Osodecentx said:Default?Canada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with ? They helped CAUSE this nightmare .Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
From WSJ:
Bond Markets Forecast Long Financial Freeze for Russia
As default fears mount, Russian bonds are trading at prices near the low-water mark set by Argentina
Judging by the bond market, it will take years for Russia to re-enter the global financial system.
Russian government bonds fell below 10 cents on the dollar last week, putting the country's debt on par with Venezuela, which collapsed into famine five years ago. The valuation is near the low-water mark on bonds set by serial defaulter Argentina, which took 15 years to repay creditors after a bitter legal battle with hedge funds.
The country faces a key interest payment on dollar-denominated bonds Wednesday, and Russia's Finance Ministry has sent investors conflicting messages about whether it intends to give them dollars or rubles. The uncertainty sparked concerns that a payment in rubles could result in a default and speculation about what legal remedies creditors might pursue.
Fund managers are also debating how long it would take creditors to recover their money and are concerned about the reputational taint that hangs over all Russian assets, from stocks and bonds to oil and beer.
Russian bonds had investment-grade ratings and traded around 100 cents on the dollar until the country invaded Ukraine, triggering unprecedented financial sanctions by the U.S. and European countries. The Kremlin responded with measures including a block on bond payments in foreign currencies such as dollars and euros that stoked expectations of a default.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bond-markets-forecast-long-financial-freeze-for-russia-11647344890?mod=Searchresults_pos2&page=1
Any finance people out there venture a guess? Could this be a shift away from the West as the primary market? Is that doable?
Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.Osodecentx said:Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.Oldbear83 said:
Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."
For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?
Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.
Welcome to the Chinese debt trap. Russia will become beholden to China well beyond a hopeful future resolution of the current crisis. China: Objective achieved.RMF5630 said:Do you think they will convert to Chinese market? Will the Chinese honor the bonds? I do not know enough about this to speculate. But, it would seem Putin and Xi must have a plan to deal with this as everyone knew sanctions were coming.Osodecentx said:Default?Canada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with ? They helped CAUSE this nightmare .Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
From WSJ:
Bond Markets Forecast Long Financial Freeze for Russia
As default fears mount, Russian bonds are trading at prices near the low-water mark set by Argentina
Judging by the bond market, it will take years for Russia to re-enter the global financial system.
Russian government bonds fell below 10 cents on the dollar last week, putting the country's debt on par with Venezuela, which collapsed into famine five years ago. The valuation is near the low-water mark on bonds set by serial defaulter Argentina, which took 15 years to repay creditors after a bitter legal battle with hedge funds.
The country faces a key interest payment on dollar-denominated bonds Wednesday, and Russia's Finance Ministry has sent investors conflicting messages about whether it intends to give them dollars or rubles. The uncertainty sparked concerns that a payment in rubles could result in a default and speculation about what legal remedies creditors might pursue.
Fund managers are also debating how long it would take creditors to recover their money and are concerned about the reputational taint that hangs over all Russian assets, from stocks and bonds to oil and beer.
Russian bonds had investment-grade ratings and traded around 100 cents on the dollar until the country invaded Ukraine, triggering unprecedented financial sanctions by the U.S. and European countries. The Kremlin responded with measures including a block on bond payments in foreign currencies such as dollars and euros that stoked expectations of a default.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bond-markets-forecast-long-financial-freeze-for-russia-11647344890?mod=Searchresults_pos2&page=1
Any finance people out there venture a guess? Could this be a shift away from the West as the primary market? Is that doable?
Russia will become part of the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative. The honey trap for giving over their Pacific and Atlantic sea bases, after China upgrades them.ATL Bear said:Welcome to the Chinese debt trap. Russia will become beholden to China well beyond a hopeful future resolution of the current crisis. China: Objective achieved.RMF5630 said:Do you think they will convert to Chinese market? Will the Chinese honor the bonds? I do not know enough about this to speculate. But, it would seem Putin and Xi must have a plan to deal with this as everyone knew sanctions were coming.Osodecentx said:Default?Canada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with ? They helped CAUSE this nightmare .Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
From WSJ:
Bond Markets Forecast Long Financial Freeze for Russia
As default fears mount, Russian bonds are trading at prices near the low-water mark set by Argentina
Judging by the bond market, it will take years for Russia to re-enter the global financial system.
Russian government bonds fell below 10 cents on the dollar last week, putting the country's debt on par with Venezuela, which collapsed into famine five years ago. The valuation is near the low-water mark on bonds set by serial defaulter Argentina, which took 15 years to repay creditors after a bitter legal battle with hedge funds.
The country faces a key interest payment on dollar-denominated bonds Wednesday, and Russia's Finance Ministry has sent investors conflicting messages about whether it intends to give them dollars or rubles. The uncertainty sparked concerns that a payment in rubles could result in a default and speculation about what legal remedies creditors might pursue.
Fund managers are also debating how long it would take creditors to recover their money and are concerned about the reputational taint that hangs over all Russian assets, from stocks and bonds to oil and beer.
Russian bonds had investment-grade ratings and traded around 100 cents on the dollar until the country invaded Ukraine, triggering unprecedented financial sanctions by the U.S. and European countries. The Kremlin responded with measures including a block on bond payments in foreign currencies such as dollars and euros that stoked expectations of a default.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bond-markets-forecast-long-financial-freeze-for-russia-11647344890?mod=Searchresults_pos2&page=1
Any finance people out there venture a guess? Could this be a shift away from the West as the primary market? Is that doable?
Trump would have been an unmitigated disaster in this mess. He's simply isn't capable. Having said that, I do think Biden really screwed up not going whole hog on sanctions as Putin was amassing troops and equipment on the Ukraine border. Biden has done a decent job with sanctions, albeit a lot late. He has done a serviceable job getting NATO to pull together in unison. Trumps would not have been able to pull that off.Sam Lowry said:Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.Osodecentx said:Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.Oldbear83 said:
Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."
For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?
Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.
we will never know what Trump would have done. but it seems that the fears the Dems had about him were way off. it appears the Dems intentions were far worse for our country. Lie, get as much money for Hunter and Biden crime family as possible while supporting Russia/China/Socialist far left agenda and have the MSM bad mouth those countries while they continue to rake in money for themselves.
Trump didn't have to deal with this because Trump was better at dealing with Russia than the Obama and Biden administrations. But that's only if you don't rely on believing in coincidence and imagination to formulate your opinion.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
yep, Trump was great at his best quality....Putin boot lickin, while Putin complimented him into submission.Wangchung said:
Trump didn't have to deal with this because Trump was better at dealing with Russia than the Obama and Biden administrations. But that's only if you don't rely on believing in coincidence and imagination to formulate your opinion.
Sam wets his pants when he sees anyone in a MAGA hat. No wonder he is incapable of a balanced consideration of Trump's Foreign Policy.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Here are the facts:J.R. said:yep, Trump was great at his best quality....Putin boot lickin, while Putin complimented him into submission.Wangchung said:
Trump didn't have to deal with this because Trump was better at dealing with Russia than the Obama and Biden administrations. But that's only if you don't rely on believing in coincidence and imagination to formulate your opinion.
During Bush: Putin invades Chechnya
During Obama: Putin invades Crimea
During Biden: Putin invades Ukraine
During Trump: Putin invades ... no one.
Also, Trump bombs Syrian airbase, killing Russian soldiers.
That's not 'boot-licking'.
Sucks for the TDS crowd.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Mere cOiNcIdEnCe!!!Oldbear83 said:Here are the facts:J.R. said:yep, Trump was great at his best quality....Putin boot lickin, while Putin complimented him into submission.Wangchung said:
Trump didn't have to deal with this because Trump was better at dealing with Russia than the Obama and Biden administrations. But that's only if you don't rely on believing in coincidence and imagination to formulate your opinion.
During Bush: Putin invades Chechnya
During Obama: Putin invades Crimea
During Biden: Putin invades Ukraine
During Trump: Putin invades ... no one.
Also, Trump bombs Syrian airbase, killing Russian soldiers.
That's not 'boot-licking'.
Sucks for the TDS crowd.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
What tactical or strategic objectives have sanctions accomplished for the West?
That is besides making us feel better and scoring some politicians PR points.
That is besides making us feel better and scoring some politicians PR points.
Oldbear83 said:Here are the facts:J.R. said:yep, Trump was great at his best quality....Putin boot lickin, while Putin complimented him into submission.Wangchung said:
Trump didn't have to deal with this because Trump was better at dealing with Russia than the Obama and Biden administrations. But that's only if you don't rely on believing in coincidence and imagination to formulate your opinion.
During Bush: Putin invades Chechnya
During Obama: Putin invades Crimea
During Biden: Putin invades Ukraine
During Trump: Putin invades ... no one.
Also, Trump bombs Syrian airbase, killing Russian soldiers.
That's not 'boot-licking'.
Sucks for the TDS crowd.
Please stop confusing the irrational TDS stricken tards with things like actual facts, common sense and logic. It makes their collective emotionally ruled heads explode.
Current events would suggest you are badly mistaken .J.R. said:yep, Trump was great at his best quality....Putin boot lickin, while Putin complimented him into submission.Wangchung said:
Trump didn't have to deal with this because Trump was better at dealing with Russia than the Obama and Biden administrations. But that's only if you don't rely on believing in coincidence and imagination to formulate your opinion.
They take months. They aren't going to stop Russia from taking Ukraine. They will hopefully hamstring him for the next move, because let's be honest, that's what we're all most concerned about. The real question is once the terrible images stop streaming out, and the gunfire stops, will the sanctions stay, thus really crushing Russia, or will the world acquiesce? I'd bet on the latter.Amal Shuq-Up said:
What tactical or strategic objectives have sanctions accomplished for the West?
That is besides making us feel better and scoring some politicians PR points.
To stop the active invasion requires weapons and soldiers. Don't think that line will be crossed.
Great questions & I'm not really the guy to answer. My fear for a while is that China would try do stop the dollar from being the reserve currency for the world. Russia and China have been buying gold for years. This crisis might give China an opening to establish a competing system to compete with the dollar. I hear that several of the metro/commodity rich countries would love to topple the dollar.RMF5630 said:Do you think they will convert to Chinese market? Will the Chinese honor the bonds? I do not know enough about this to speculate. But, it would seem Putin and Xi must have a plan to deal with this as everyone knew sanctions were coming.Osodecentx said:Default?Canada2017 said:Biden is obviously suffering from dementia . One can argue to the degree....but not the diagnosis . Harris has proven without a shadow of a doubt that she is....frighteningly stupid . Yet these are the people you feel comfortable with ? They helped CAUSE this nightmare .Osodecentx said:See my comments in bold above. I doubt we are going to agree, but I respect your opinionCanada2017 said:We are far more likely to be in a shooting war with a nuclear power NOW than 2 months ago. I agree, I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump in this spotOsodecentx said:So far ...Canada2017 said:Based on WHAT ?Osodecentx said:I agree that Biden deserves a lot of blame for the crisis.Mothra said:
Biden hasn't been "mostly right" with respect to anything when it comes to Ukraine. The suggestion is laughable, especially when this is a crisis he shares much of the blame for creating.
That is why I limited my assessment to the time beginning with Putin's actual invasion. He has been mostly right since the invasion.
Russians are continuing to advance.
Ukrainian civilian casualties are escalating .
Holes are already appearing in the sanctions .
Harris continues to embarrass the government of the United States with absolutely bizarre statements .
Iran feels emboldened to attack a US consulate in Iraq with missiles .
China is now making fresh threats in regards to Taiwan .
So....... with respect.......just what in the world are you 'crediting' Biden with that remotely overshadows this disaster ?
We're not in a shooting war with a nuclear power
NATO is united in opposition to Russian aggression
We're getting weapons to Ukraine
Financial sanctions have taken Russia's economy down to virtually zero. Every company except companies selling life saving drugs refuses to do business in Russia.
I don't believe Trump could have done this.
like I said, "so far".
It was PUTIN's threats to the rest of Europe that united NATO more than anything the Biden administration did. Only a hyper partisan could possibly believe old man Biden could inspire anyone to action . For that matter no politician in NATO did more for the NATO alliance than Putin's own bluster. I don't think NATO would be as unified behind Trump. This crisis requires patience, not impetuous, "seat of the pants" decision making.
We have provided minimal weapons to Ukraine......least of all heavy armor or jet aircraft. Takes time to ship and distribute the mega tons required. And Ukraine is bleeding to death NOW. I agree we should have sent more weapons earlier. That's why I said "since Putin's invasion".
Russian economy is NOT remotely at 'zero'...that is a self serving fantasy. Russia is already expanding markets in Iran, India and China . I think they are in more trouble than you believe. Ruble is down 40%+, their stock market has been closed for 2 weeks, nobody is investing in Russia or buying from them. They're going to zero.
Biden's administration pulled colossal blunders in the weeks prior to Putin's invasion . Agreed Blaming or comparing to Trump is ridiculous . Putin may not have invaded with Trump in the saddle, but since Russia did invade I prefer Biden to Trump
I have not witnessed a bigger self inflicted foreign policy disaster since LBJ expanded the Vietnam War after the so called Guld of Tonkin 'incident '.
NATO is no more 'unified ' behind Biden than for Trump. This is all about national self interest ....see Germany.
Deals with CHINA, INDIA, IRAN, SYRIA, NORTH KOREA already in the making will insure the Russian economy will not go to zero. Now at some level you certainly know this......surprised you are insisting otherwise .
From WSJ:
Bond Markets Forecast Long Financial Freeze for Russia
As default fears mount, Russian bonds are trading at prices near the low-water mark set by Argentina
Judging by the bond market, it will take years for Russia to re-enter the global financial system.
Russian government bonds fell below 10 cents on the dollar last week, putting the country's debt on par with Venezuela, which collapsed into famine five years ago. The valuation is near the low-water mark on bonds set by serial defaulter Argentina, which took 15 years to repay creditors after a bitter legal battle with hedge funds.
The country faces a key interest payment on dollar-denominated bonds Wednesday, and Russia's Finance Ministry has sent investors conflicting messages about whether it intends to give them dollars or rubles. The uncertainty sparked concerns that a payment in rubles could result in a default and speculation about what legal remedies creditors might pursue.
Fund managers are also debating how long it would take creditors to recover their money and are concerned about the reputational taint that hangs over all Russian assets, from stocks and bonds to oil and beer.
Russian bonds had investment-grade ratings and traded around 100 cents on the dollar until the country invaded Ukraine, triggering unprecedented financial sanctions by the U.S. and European countries. The Kremlin responded with measures including a block on bond payments in foreign currencies such as dollars and euros that stoked expectations of a default.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bond-markets-forecast-long-financial-freeze-for-russia-11647344890?mod=Searchresults_pos2&page=1
Any finance people out there venture a guess? Could this be a shift away from the West as the primary market? Is that doable?
Maybe the finance posters can weigh in.
tards?...stay classy Little Johnny!Johnny Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Here are the facts:J.R. said:yep, Trump was great at his best quality....Putin boot lickin, while Putin complimented him into submission.Wangchung said:
Trump didn't have to deal with this because Trump was better at dealing with Russia than the Obama and Biden administrations. But that's only if you don't rely on believing in coincidence and imagination to formulate your opinion.
During Bush: Putin invades Chechnya
During Obama: Putin invades Crimea
During Biden: Putin invades Ukraine
During Trump: Putin invades ... no one.
Also, Trump bombs Syrian airbase, killing Russian soldiers.
That's not 'boot-licking'.
Sucks for the TDS crowd.
Please stop confusing the irrational TDS stricken tards with things like actual facts, common sense and logic. It makes their collective emotionally ruled heads explodet
We as Americans, are only as strong as our President and Vice President. Is there anyone here that has comfort in this statement? We are in serious trouble. We are playing 3-D chess with a blindfold and boxing gloves.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
It's far worse than that .RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
We are in serious trouble. We are playing 3-D chess with a blindfold and boxing gloves.
Our president is a puppet and his puppet masters wish to destroy the traditional culture and social fabric of the United States .
Sam Lowry said:Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.Osodecentx said:Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.Oldbear83 said:
Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."
For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?
Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.
Lol.
Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.
J.R. said:Trump would have been an unmitigated disaster in this mess. He's simply isn't capable. Having said that, I do think Biden really screwed up not going whole hog on sanctions as Putin was amassing troops and equipment on the Ukraine border. Biden has done a decent job with sanctions, albeit a lot late. He has done a serviceable job getting NATO to pull together in unison. Trumps would not have been able to pull that off.Sam Lowry said:Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.Osodecentx said:Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.Oldbear83 said:
Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."
For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?
Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.
You TDSers crack me up.
Yes, keep telling yourself Trump would have been worse in this situation without acknowledging we most likely wouldn't be in this situation if Trump were president. I'm sure that will help you feel better.
That's conjecture. Trump's temperament is fact. Putin has been preparing this move for a long time. If it weren't this it could always be some other crisis. A president needs to be fit for office in any situation, not just the ones you believe most likely.Mothra said:Sam Lowry said:Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.Osodecentx said:Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.Oldbear83 said:
Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."
For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?
Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.
Lol.
Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.