It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Lol.

Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That's conjecture. Trump's temperament is fact. Putin has been preparing this move for a long time. If it weren't this it could always be some other crisis. A president needs to be fit for office in any situation, not just the ones you believe most likely.

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As if yours isn't conjecture? Please. Hilarious that you're actually attempting to distinguish between your conjecture and mine.

I have 4 years backing my conjecture. A track record of limited foreign conflicts and measured responses to aggressive actions, despite numerous predictions to the contrary because of Trump's "temperament."

You, on the other hand, have mean tweets.

Clearly the Trump Derangement Syndrome has gotten the better of you again.

Trump's record is fact, not your assumption.

But your irrational hatred of the 45th President drives you to more and and further exaggerations.

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Lol.

Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That's conjecture. Trump's temperament is fact. Putin has been preparing this move for a long time. If it weren't this it could always be some other crisis. A president needs to be fit for office in any situation, not just the ones you believe most likely.

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I agree with Mothra here. Preparing? 4 years was not enough? Sorry, you can plan anything in a 4 year window. You are right on temperament, Putin knew Trump would act in tangible ways. He just didn't know how he would react. He knew exactly what Biden would and more importantly wouldn't do.

I wasn't for sending Migs initially. However, after seeing all the carnage, seems it is our duty to provide Ukraine any and everything they need to defeat the killers and Putin. Bring it on! It's time.

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I wasn't for sending Migs initially. However, after seeing all the carnage, seems it is our duty to provide Ukraine any and everything they need to defeat the killers and Putin. Bring it on! It's time.

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What was the line for you? Targeting civilians?

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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Please show me a foreign policy crisis during Trump's term that demonstrates said inability to manage the crisis.

Seems to me Trump handled himself all right.

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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Please show me a foreign policy crisis during Trump's term that demonstrates said inability to manage the crisis.

Seems to me Trump handled himself all right.

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Is it a possibility that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump were POTUS?

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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Please show me a foreign policy crisis during Trump's term that demonstrates said inability to manage the crisis.

Seems to me Trump handled himself all right.

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Is it a possibility that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even it Trump were POTUS?

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Anything is possible, which is why we rely on what actually happened to form our opinions rather than aaaaallllll the imagined possibilities of what could have happened. Trump was president, Putin didn't invade anyone. Democrats back in power, Russian invasions resume.

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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How would you know? He never put us in such a bad position.

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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While no two situations are exactly the same, we have several instances of similar circumstances where Trump behaved reasonably and appropriately, which of course suggests he would have done so here as well (even though there's little chance we would be here if he were president).

I recall early in his presidency his ordering cruise missile strikes against Syria for President Bashar al-Assad's use of the chemical weapon sarin in an attack against civilians. Trump destroyed one of their air force bases, despite opposition from Russian, and reportedly killed a few Russians in the process. I remember people saying he was going to begin WWIII, which of course never happened. A year later he ordered strikes against three facilities in Syria linked to the regime's chemical weapons program.

In the wake of an Iranian downing of a U.S. drone, Trump initially authorized strikes against Iranian targets, but called off the operation at the last moment, believing cooler heads would prevail. And of course, he was right on that.

And of course, Trump ramped up the battle against ISIS, thoroughly defeating it. Trump also ordered Special Forces to take out the self-proclaimed leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, after years of trying to locate him. His immediate successor is also killed in a separate raid.

And toward the end of his presidency, he orders a drone strike that kills Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force, in Baghdad, who was widely regarded as responsible for hundreds if not thousands of American deaths in Iraq. When Iran responds with a strike of its own on a US base in Iraq, people were once again predicting war from the crazy orange man. And of course, Trump once again didn't take the bait, and was measured in his response.

These situations, while of course not an apple to apple comparison (what is?) prove that Trump was both willing to fight when required, but also measured in his responses. His was the most traditional Republican foreign policy since Reagan. A rundown of some of his foreign policy decisions show that Trump may have been at his best when dealing with foreign issues. He ruffled feathers at times - which of course achieved the results he desired (see NATO) - but his foreign policy record was quite impressive.

There is a joke about Biden that he has been wrong on every foreign policy decision for the last 30 years. Who can forget he was the only member of the Obama admin against the raid to take out bin Laden? And of course who can forget his fall of Saigon moment, the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which of course was against the recommendations of all of his foreign policy advisors and generals? The idea that he would perform better in this situation is simply ludicrous.

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I wasn't for sending Migs initially. However, after seeing all the carnage, seems it is our duty to provide Ukraine any and everything they need to defeat the killers and Putin. Bring it on! It's time.

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Bring exactly what on ?

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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Please show me a foreign policy crisis during Trump's term that demonstrates said inability to manage the crisis.

Seems to me Trump handled himself all right.

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Is it a possibility that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump were POTUS?

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We're talking about his skill set and the facts of his tenure.

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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While no two situations are exactly the same, we have several instances of similar circumstances where Trump behaved reasonably and appropriately, which of course suggests he would have done so here as well (even though there's little chance we would be here if he were president).

I recall early in his presidency his ordering cruise missile strikes against Syria for President Bashar al-Assad's use of the chemical weapon sarin in an attack against civilians. Trump destroyed one of their air force bases, despite opposition from Russian, and reportedly killed a few Russians in the process. I remember people saying he was going to begin WWIII, which of course never happened. A year later he ordered strikes against three facilities in Syria linked to the regime's chemical weapons program.

In the wake of an Iranian downing of a U.S. drone, Trump initially authorized strikes against Iranian targets, but called off the operation at the last moment, believing cooler heads would prevail. And of course, he was right on that.

And of course, Trump ramped up the battle against ISIS, thoroughly defeating it. Trump also ordered Special Forces to take out the self-proclaimed leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, after years of trying to locate him. His immediate successor is also killed in a separate raid.

And toward the end of his presidency, he orders a drone strike that kills Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force, in Baghdad, which is widely regarded as responsible for hundreds if not thousands of American deaths in Iraq. When Iran responds with a strike of its own on a US base in Iraq, people were once again predicting war from the crazy orange man. And of course, Trump once again didn't take the bait, and was measured in his response.

These situations, while of course not an apple to apple comparison (what is?) prove that Trump was both willing to fight when required, but also measured in his responses. His was the most traditional Republican foreign policy since Reagan. A rundown of some of his foreign policy decisions show that Trump may have been at his best when dealing with foreign issues. He ruffled feathers at times - which of course achieved the results he desired (see NATO) - but his foreign policy record was quite impressive.

There is a joke about Biden that he hasn't been right about foreign policy in 30 years. The idea that he would perform better in this situation is simply ludicrous.

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Good post and informative.

Trump did have some margin of error in each of the instances above and the margin of error here is much smaller. I believe Biden mishandled several issues which may have given Putin the courage to invade.
However, I prefer Biden over Trump in this situation because I don't want Trump's style & process of decision making in this crisis.

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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Please show me a foreign policy crisis during Trump's term that demonstrates said inability to manage the crisis.

Seems to me Trump handled himself all right.

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Is it a possibility that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump were POTUS?

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We're talking about his skill set and the facts of his tenure.

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And the facts of Trump's tenure leads me to doubt his skill set in this particular set of circumstances. I want a world team on this one and I doubt Trump's skill at team building

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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Please show me a foreign policy crisis during Trump's term that demonstrates said inability to manage the crisis.

Seems to me Trump handled himself all right.

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Is it a possibility that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump were POTUS?

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We're talking about his skill set and the facts of his tenure.

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And the facts of Trump's tenure leads me to doubt his skill set in this particular set of circumstances. I want a world team on this one and I doubt Trump's skill at team building

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It's apparent that you are making this statement out of emotion, not evidence.

The same mistake in thinking is why we have Biden in charge and the subsequent disaster of his incompetence.

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Lol.

Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That's conjecture. Trump's temperament is fact. Putin has been preparing this move for a long time. If it weren't this it could always be some other crisis. A president needs to be fit for office in any situation, not just the ones you believe most likely.

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What you think Trump would've done or how he would've handled is actual conjecture. Putin invaded no one when Trump was in office - that is a fact.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Trump would have been an unmitigated disaster in this mess. He's simply isn't capable. Having said that, I do think Biden really screwed up not going whole hog on sanctions as Putin was amassing troops and equipment on the Ukraine border. Biden has done a decent job with sanctions, albeit a lot late. He has done a serviceable job getting NATO to pull together in unison. Trumps would not have been able to pull that off.

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You TDSers crack me up.

Yes, keep telling yourself Trump would have been worse in this situation without acknowledging we most likely wouldn't be in this situation if Trump were president. I'm sure that will help you feel better.

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Exactly.

Would you rather have someone who is better at getting your truck out of the mud, or someone who never gets stuck in the mud at all? Worse than that, Biden is the guy with the water house, who created the mud bog... and then tries to blame everyone else when he gets stuck in it.

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It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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He was actually actively invading the entire time. Meanwhile Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs.

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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While no two situations are exactly the same, we have several instances of similar circumstances where Trump behaved reasonably and appropriately, which of course suggests he would have done so here as well (even though there's little chance we would be here if he were president).

I recall early in his presidency his ordering cruise missile strikes against Syria for President Bashar al-Assad's use of the chemical weapon sarin in an attack against civilians. Trump destroyed one of their air force bases, despite opposition from Russian, and reportedly killed a few Russians in the process. I remember people saying he was going to begin WWIII, which of course never happened. A year later he ordered strikes against three facilities in Syria linked to the regime's chemical weapons program.

In the wake of an Iranian downing of a U.S. drone, Trump initially authorized strikes against Iranian targets, but called off the operation at the last moment, believing cooler heads would prevail. And of course, he was right on that.

And of course, Trump ramped up the battle against ISIS, thoroughly defeating it. Trump also ordered Special Forces to take out the self-proclaimed leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, after years of trying to locate him. His immediate successor is also killed in a separate raid.

And toward the end of his presidency, he orders a drone strike that kills Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force, in Baghdad, which is widely regarded as responsible for hundreds if not thousands of American deaths in Iraq. When Iran responds with a strike of its own on a US base in Iraq, people were once again predicting war from the crazy orange man. And of course, Trump once again didn't take the bait, and was measured in his response.

These situations, while of course not an apple to apple comparison (what is?) prove that Trump was both willing to fight when required, but also measured in his responses. His was the most traditional Republican foreign policy since Reagan. A rundown of some of his foreign policy decisions show that Trump may have been at his best when dealing with foreign issues. He ruffled feathers at times - which of course achieved the results he desired (see NATO) - but his foreign policy record was quite impressive.

There is a joke about Biden that he hasn't been right about foreign policy in 30 years. The idea that he would perform better in this situation is simply ludicrous.

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Good post and informative.

Trump did have some margin of error in each of the instances above and the margin of error here is much smaller. I believe Biden mishandled several issues which may have given Putin the courage to invade.
However, I prefer Biden over Trump in this situation because I don't want Trump's style & process of decision making in this crisis.

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Your TDS is talking again

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Mothra said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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While no two situations are exactly the same, we have several instances of similar circumstances where Trump behaved reasonably and appropriately, which of course suggests he would have done so here as well (even though there's little chance we would be here if he were president).

I recall early in his presidency his ordering cruise missile strikes against Syria for President Bashar al-Assad's use of the chemical weapon sarin in an attack against civilians. Trump destroyed one of their air force bases, despite opposition from Russian, and reportedly killed a few Russians in the process. I remember people saying he was going to begin WWIII, which of course never happened. A year later he ordered strikes against three facilities in Syria linked to the regime's chemical weapons program.

In the wake of an Iranian downing of a U.S. drone, Trump initially authorized strikes against Iranian targets, but called off the operation at the last moment, believing cooler heads would prevail. And of course, he was right on that.

And of course, Trump ramped up the battle against ISIS, thoroughly defeating it. Trump also ordered Special Forces to take out the self-proclaimed leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, after years of trying to locate him. His immediate successor is also killed in a separate raid.

And toward the end of his presidency, he orders a drone strike that kills Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force, in Baghdad, which is widely regarded as responsible for hundreds if not thousands of American deaths in Iraq. When Iran responds with a strike of its own on a US base in Iraq, people were once again predicting war from the crazy orange man. And of course, Trump once again didn't take the bait, and was measured in his response.

These situations, while of course not an apple to apple comparison (what is?) prove that Trump was both willing to fight when required, but also measured in his responses. His was the most traditional Republican foreign policy since Reagan. A rundown of some of his foreign policy decisions show that Trump may have been at his best when dealing with foreign issues. He ruffled feathers at times - which of course achieved the results he desired (see NATO) - but his foreign policy record was quite impressive.

There is a joke about Biden that he hasn't been right about foreign policy in 30 years. The idea that he would perform better in this situation is simply ludicrous.

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Good post and informative.

Trump did have some margin of error in each of the instances above and the margin of error here is much smaller. I believe Biden mishandled several issues which may have given Putin the courage to invade.
However, I prefer Biden over Trump in this situation because I don't want Trump's style & process of decision making in this crisis.

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Your TDS is talking again

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You mean my two times voted for Trump syndrome?

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I wasn't for sending Migs initially. However, after seeing all the carnage, seems it is our duty to provide Ukraine any and everything they need to defeat the killers and Putin. Bring it on! It's time.

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Honestly, Stingers and Javelins should have been sent 10-14 months ago. Those systems are far better for defense than they are for attack, so it wouldn't have been provocative. That is why Trump had scheduled to send those types of weapons to Ukraine in 2021... but Biden cancelled that order because... it was Trumps idea.

Sending fighter aircraft to Ukraine is dancing very near the line of actual engagement with Russia... so I'm not opposed, but this move at this time does bring a lot more risk. I'm all for sending more shoulder fire missiles to Ukraine. They are much less expensive than Migs, and for the same price, we can send a ton more of them.

Would you rather face a single Mig fighter, or about 600 Stinger missiles? Mig 29 costs about $24,000,000 and Stinger costs about $40,000. You also don't need fuel, air ports or ground crew for a Stinger; so operational costs are far different. And it's far easier to hide & use 600 Stingers, than a single Mig fighter.

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Wangchung said:

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It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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He was actually actively invading the entire time. Meanwhile Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs.

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That's hilarious. From "Trump aSsAsSiNaTeD Soleimani! It's gunna be WWIII!!!!!" to "Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs" in just under two years.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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Please show me a foreign policy crisis during Trump's term that demonstrates said inability to manage the crisis.

Seems to me Trump handled himself all right.

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Is it a possibility that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump were POTUS?

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Anything is possible, but the fact is that he didn't do it when he clearly had the chance.

Osodecentx said:

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Rawhide said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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While no two situations are exactly the same, we have several instances of similar circumstances where Trump behaved reasonably and appropriately, which of course suggests he would have done so here as well (even though there's little chance we would be here if he were president).

I recall early in his presidency his ordering cruise missile strikes against Syria for President Bashar al-Assad's use of the chemical weapon sarin in an attack against civilians. Trump destroyed one of their air force bases, despite opposition from Russian, and reportedly killed a few Russians in the process. I remember people saying he was going to begin WWIII, which of course never happened. A year later he ordered strikes against three facilities in Syria linked to the regime's chemical weapons program.

In the wake of an Iranian downing of a U.S. drone, Trump initially authorized strikes against Iranian targets, but called off the operation at the last moment, believing cooler heads would prevail. And of course, he was right on that.

And of course, Trump ramped up the battle against ISIS, thoroughly defeating it. Trump also ordered Special Forces to take out the self-proclaimed leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, after years of trying to locate him. His immediate successor is also killed in a separate raid.

And toward the end of his presidency, he orders a drone strike that kills Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force, in Baghdad, which is widely regarded as responsible for hundreds if not thousands of American deaths in Iraq. When Iran responds with a strike of its own on a US base in Iraq, people were once again predicting war from the crazy orange man. And of course, Trump once again didn't take the bait, and was measured in his response.

These situations, while of course not an apple to apple comparison (what is?) prove that Trump was both willing to fight when required, but also measured in his responses. His was the most traditional Republican foreign policy since Reagan. A rundown of some of his foreign policy decisions show that Trump may have been at his best when dealing with foreign issues. He ruffled feathers at times - which of course achieved the results he desired (see NATO) - but his foreign policy record was quite impressive.

There is a joke about Biden that he hasn't been right about foreign policy in 30 years. The idea that he would perform better in this situation is simply ludicrous.

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Good post and informative.

Trump did have some margin of error in each of the instances above and the margin of error here is much smaller. I believe Biden mishandled several issues which may have given Putin the courage to invade.
However, I prefer Biden over Trump in this situation because I don't want Trump's style & process of decision making in this crisis.

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Your TDS is talking again

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You mean my two times voted for Trump syndrome?

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So, if he's on the ballot, you'll vote for him again?

Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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He was actually actively invading the entire time. Meanwhile Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs.

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That's hilarious. From "Trump aSsAsSiNaTeD Soleimani! It's gunna be WWIII!!!!!" to "Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs" in just under two years.

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It sounds like you are involved with stupid arguments on the regular.

timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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He was actually actively invading the entire time. Meanwhile Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs.

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That's hilarious. From "Trump aSsAsSiNaTeD Soleimani! It's gunna be WWIII!!!!!" to "Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs" in just under two years.

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It sounds like you are involved with stupid arguments on the regular.

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This place can be a hotbed of such arguments. If the feeble attempts by their authors to justify them weren't so entertaining I wouldn't bother, but they are so I'm here. Keep it up!

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Biden is a idiot and Kamalla is a ding bat.

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Never thought I hear you heap so much praise on those two.

Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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He was actually actively invading the entire time. Meanwhile Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs.

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That's hilarious. From "Trump aSsAsSiNaTeD Soleimani! It's gunna be WWIII!!!!!" to "Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs" in just under two years.

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It sounds like you are involved with stupid arguments on the regular.

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This place can be a hotbed of such arguments. If the feeble attempts by their authors to justify them weren't so entertaining I wouldn't bother, but they are so I'm here. Keep it up!

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You are doing a great job. I'm happy you found a place to get gratification.

timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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He was actually actively invading the entire time. Meanwhile Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs.

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That's hilarious. From "Trump aSsAsSiNaTeD Soleimani! It's gunna be WWIII!!!!!" to "Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs" in just under two years.

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It sounds like you are involved with stupid arguments on the regular.

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This place can be a hotbed of such arguments. If the feeble attempts by their authors to justify them weren't so entertaining I wouldn't bother, but they are so I'm here. Keep it up!

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You are doing a great job. I'm happy you found a place to get gratification.

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How'd you know I'm not wearing pants?

Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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He was actually actively invading the entire time. Meanwhile Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs.

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That's hilarious. From "Trump aSsAsSiNaTeD Soleimani! It's gunna be WWIII!!!!!" to "Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs" in just under two years.

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It sounds like you are involved with stupid arguments on the regular.

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This place can be a hotbed of such arguments. If the feeble attempts by their authors to justify them weren't so entertaining I wouldn't bother, but they are so I'm here. Keep it up!

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You are doing a great job. I'm happy you found a place to get gratification.

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How'd you know I'm not wearing pants?

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Your pattern of low effort

Rawhide said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Rawhide said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oso:: " I'm more comfortable with Biden than Trump, "so far"."

For what reason? Seriously, what evidence is there that Trump would have messed this up as poorly as Biden, much less worse, that you are "more comfortable" with a man who has literally fumbled every major decision up to now?

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Trump's temperament isn't suited for this situation. He is impetuous and doesn't listen to advisors who know more about a subject that he. He is erratic and believes he knows more experts because he is rich. He still claims he won the 2020 election and listened to dingbat layers and Flynn for advice, for crying out loud.

Biden has made a number of mistakes before Putin invaded. If you want to argue that Trump would have handled this situation better, I might agree. However, we're here and I prefer Biden to Trump.

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Well said. The thought of Trump as president in this situation is horrifying.

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Highly unlikely we would be in this situation if Trump was president.

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That may be true & I don't dispute that. But if we are in this position, Trump is manifestly unsuited for this crisis.

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While no two situations are exactly the same, we have several instances of similar circumstances where Trump behaved reasonably and appropriately, which of course suggests he would have done so here as well (even though there's little chance we would be here if he were president).

I recall early in his presidency his ordering cruise missile strikes against Syria for President Bashar al-Assad's use of the chemical weapon sarin in an attack against civilians. Trump destroyed one of their air force bases, despite opposition from Russian, and reportedly killed a few Russians in the process. I remember people saying he was going to begin WWIII, which of course never happened. A year later he ordered strikes against three facilities in Syria linked to the regime's chemical weapons program.

In the wake of an Iranian downing of a U.S. drone, Trump initially authorized strikes against Iranian targets, but called off the operation at the last moment, believing cooler heads would prevail. And of course, he was right on that.

And of course, Trump ramped up the battle against ISIS, thoroughly defeating it. Trump also ordered Special Forces to take out the self-proclaimed leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, after years of trying to locate him. His immediate successor is also killed in a separate raid.

And toward the end of his presidency, he orders a drone strike that kills Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force, in Baghdad, which is widely regarded as responsible for hundreds if not thousands of American deaths in Iraq. When Iran responds with a strike of its own on a US base in Iraq, people were once again predicting war from the crazy orange man. And of course, Trump once again didn't take the bait, and was measured in his response.

These situations, while of course not an apple to apple comparison (what is?) prove that Trump was both willing to fight when required, but also measured in his responses. His was the most traditional Republican foreign policy since Reagan. A rundown of some of his foreign policy decisions show that Trump may have been at his best when dealing with foreign issues. He ruffled feathers at times - which of course achieved the results he desired (see NATO) - but his foreign policy record was quite impressive.

There is a joke about Biden that he hasn't been right about foreign policy in 30 years. The idea that he would perform better in this situation is simply ludicrous.

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Good post and informative.

Trump did have some margin of error in each of the instances above and the margin of error here is much smaller. I believe Biden mishandled several issues which may have given Putin the courage to invade.
However, I prefer Biden over Trump in this situation because I don't want Trump's style & process of decision making in this crisis.

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Your TDS is talking again

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You mean my two times voted for Trump syndrome?

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So, if he's on the ballot, you'll vote for him again?

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Certainly not in the primary.

Most posters here are having trouble with my hypothetical (the OP), so I'll defer my answer on your general election hypothetical

No one's 'having trouble with the hypothetical', it's just so EMO that the room thinks you may need counseling to get over your issues.

timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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timetraveler said:

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Wangchung said:

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It's not conjecture at all. Trump was president for four years, Putin did not invade. Putin waited for weakness and when it was in office, he once again invaded another country. It really is that simple and plainly obvious to anyone not pushing a narrative.

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He was actually actively invading the entire time. Meanwhile Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs.

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That's hilarious. From "Trump aSsAsSiNaTeD Soleimani! It's gunna be WWIII!!!!!" to "Iran was bombing us and Trump put his tail between his legs" in just under two years.

---

It sounds like you are involved with stupid arguments on the regular.

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This place can be a hotbed of such arguments. If the feeble attempts by their authors to justify them weren't so entertaining I wouldn't bother, but they are so I'm here. Keep it up!

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You are doing a great job. I'm happy you found a place to get gratification.

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How'd you know I'm not wearing pants?

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Your pattern of low effort

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With me, you get what you give.